mary owen Posted May 13, 2006 Posted May 13, 2006 pan down to find post by RRich. also, read the whole thing as it has some interesting arguments about "value" http://ourlads.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=757&st=0
Nanker Posted May 13, 2006 Posted May 13, 2006 Certainly sounds like him. Loved his comment about the TBD lust for Nugent last year. Ah yes! The Glory Days of TD when the lines were covered in curtains, smoke and mirrors and we were in a trance believing: "If only we had a Kicker, Tom - a Kicker like Nuge only comes along once in every other DECADE!!! We'd be sure to go deep into the Playoffs and do some damage, now that you've settled on our new QB JPL. So what if Pat walked? Sam is still here, and TKO too! It's Mularkey's Sophmore Year and the O is more used to Clements' system. We'll go all the way with Nuge, Tom. All the way. Get 'er dun!!!"
ExWNYer Posted May 13, 2006 Posted May 13, 2006 Certainly sounds like him. Loved his comment about the TBD lust for Nugent last year. Ah yes! The Glory Days of TD when the lines were covered in curtains, smoke and mirrors and we were in a trance believing: "If only we had a Kicker, Tom - a Kicker like Nuge only comes along once in every other DECADE!!! We'd be sure to go deep into the Playoffs and do some damage, now that you've settled on our new QB JPL. So what if Pat walked? Sam is still here, and TKO too! It's Mularkey's Sophmore Year and the O is more used to Clements' system. We'll go all the way with Nuge, Tom. All the way. Get 'er dun!!!" 690608[/snapback] What do you expect when you get a bunch of 13 year olds who arm themselves with football "knowledge" via PlayStation college football. BTW, nicely done, Rich.
UConn James Posted May 13, 2006 Posted May 13, 2006 I don't quite think those were the arguments for picking Nugent. Nor was it being blind to our other areas of need. I've been clamoring about OL and the other key but unsexy positions for a while, but when the GM doesn't address them, what can a fan do but shrug. More like trying to play to our strengths. ST unit that could get even better with a much more powerful directional kicker, and an offense that would be more reliant on FGs for scoring what with the non-support it was getting from Donahoe beyond the shiny new skill players to whom the QB had no time to throw. They say you can't win in the NFL by kicking FGs, but you sure can lose in the NFL by not having a good, reliable kicker. Nugent will be that for the Jets for a while. As a matter of fact, I consider the Kicker and punter to be one of those key, unsexy positions.... b/c you don't know how key it is until you have someone like Jake Ariens shanking 20-yarders and extra points. TD's 'dime-a-dozen' comment when he first got here pissed me off. In perspective, Lindell was coming off a year that... well, let's put it mildly by saying it wasn't his best year, ending with that missed 28-yarder in the win-and-you're-in game vs. Pitt. Well on him that he got his sh-- together, got over the shoulder injury that was hurting his technique and got a much better long snapper. But sucks to TD for mostly waiting for the problems to go away by themselves.
Acantha Posted May 13, 2006 Posted May 13, 2006 Certainly sounds like him. Loved his comment about the TBD lust for Nugent last year. Ah yes! The Glory Days of TD when the lines were covered in curtains, smoke and mirrors and we were in a trance believing: "If only we had a Kicker, Tom - a Kicker like Nuge only comes along once in every other DECADE!!! We'd be sure to go deep into the Playoffs and do some damage, now that you've settled on our new QB JPL. So what if Pat walked? Sam is still here, and TKO too! It's Mularkey's Sophmore Year and the O is more used to Clements' system. We'll go all the way with Nuge, Tom. All the way. Get 'er dun!!!" 690608[/snapback] Thank God TD knew better and took Parrish!!! EDIT: Nuge went before we picked...but my snide comment stands...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 13, 2006 Posted May 13, 2006 Sadly, Donahoe concurred with those "13 year-olds" and was ready to pick Nugent (and even tried to trade up for him). Thank God that era is over.
Nanker Posted May 13, 2006 Posted May 13, 2006 I'm dying laughing at this because, even I called for TD to draft Nuge last year! I know I did at least once. Shows ya how much I know. UConn - yes, Lindell looked like he couldn't kick a FG outside the 15 and it was a foregone conclusion that the lines would be neglected again. Still, I can laugh at the great irony of calling for Lindell's head the summer before his banner year. He was afterall coming off the two previous years of crapping the bed. Who'da thunk the LS would apparently be the key to his success -- again we were smoked and mirrored by another TD feel-good story on Jon Donboreos sp? ala Ronnie Vinlarek.
Rico Posted May 14, 2006 Posted May 14, 2006 I looked around there.... no matter what board you go to, you'll still find Bills fans pouting and whining about the media. .............. j/k C-Man.
SDS Posted May 14, 2006 Posted May 14, 2006 Sadly, Donahoe concurred with those "13 year-olds" and was ready to pick Nugent (and even tried to trade up for him). Thank God that era is over. 690653[/snapback] ummm... when was this?
mary owen Posted May 14, 2006 Author Posted May 14, 2006 Who is RRich? 691144[/snapback] ha-ha!!!! that's what I was fishing for.
Pyrite Gal Posted May 14, 2006 Posted May 14, 2006 I don't quite think those were the arguments for picking Nugent. Nor was it being blind to our other areas of need. I've been clamoring about OL and the other key but unsexy positions for a while, but when the GM doesn't address them, what can a fan do but shrug. More like trying to play to our strengths. ST unit that could get even better with a much more powerful directional kicker, and an offense that would be more reliant on FGs for scoring what with the non-support it was getting from Donahoe beyond the shiny new skill players to whom the QB had no time to throw. They say you can't win in the NFL by kicking FGs, but you sure can lose in the NFL by not having a good, reliable kicker. Nugent will be that for the Jets for a while. As a matter of fact, I consider the Kicker and punter to be one of those key, unsexy positions.... b/c you don't know how key it is until you have someone like Jake Ariens shanking 20-yarders and extra points. TD's 'dime-a-dozen' comment when he first got here pissed me off. In perspective, Lindell was coming off a year that... well, let's put it mildly by saying it wasn't his best year, ending with that missed 28-yarder in the win-and-you're-in game vs. Pitt. Well on him that he got his sh-- together, got over the shoulder injury that was hurting his technique and got a much better long snapper. But sucks to TD for mostly waiting for the problems to go away by themselves. 690649[/snapback] I'm not sure my read on the Bills interpretation of their needs under TD and now after are the same. What credible reports have you seen of TD having much real desire to get Nuge even if he had been available in the 2nd round or attempting the insanity of trading up to get him. All I saw indicates to me that TD desperately wanted Lindell to work out as our kicker and he devoted a ton of time to pressuring and working with Lindell to perform rather than spending that time to make a deal. One of the great mistakes of TD reign of error was when he made the comment good kickers are a dime a dozen when he cut Christie and this was followed by various Bills K faux pas like Ariens, and then the guy they cut who then did a good job for CIN, and their acquisition but inabiliy to resign whathisname. TD was forced to swallow a bunch of crow having to reach deep to sign Lindell, I see no indication that the talk of Bills interest in Nuge was little more than typical NFL and Bills misdiretion regarding their interests anddrafting him would not only futher force the TD ego to admit error getting Lindell but added the slotted 1st round contract of Nuge to the ugly cost. Regarding both TDs final days and post days I think the key here is that the Bills finally got a clue that a big part of this was the idiocy of hinng never before OL position coach Vinky and then replacing him with an equally inexperieced Ruel. It was not that he neglected to expend signficant resources on OL, its that after spending draft choices (some the most significant draft choices) on: MW, Jennings, Sullivan, Pacillo, and a host of others and FA resoures on Teague, Villarial and TDFAs like Peters, the Bills simply failed at getting it done. The key here is that despite his protests that he is no miracle worker, can the Blls get a miracleout of JMac and hus non-draft acquisitions, Gandy. Reyes, Fowler, Villarial and Peters.
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