Like A Mofo Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Because if it wasn't, we wouldn't be here to attribute some mystical quality to it. That's actually the main difference between science and religion: science says we are here because the Earth's in the right place. Religion says the Earth's in the right place because we are here. 687373[/snapback] Good point....but how do you explain emotions, dreaming, feelings, the way the human body is constructed....how does that just all 'happen' without someone devising it??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Neither can you provide evidence for the non-existence of 'God'. We'll never really know until we die and maybe not even then... 687374[/snapback] By definition, if God exists, he must exist outside the universe, and thus can't be known by us, as the definition of "the universe" at its most basic is the boundary of what it's possible to know. If he exists within the universe, he's not God...because he could not have been around to create it otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Conversely, just because something happens doesn't mean there's a purpose behind it or a reason for it. Believe it or not, sometimes sh-- really does just happen. 687365[/snapback] How do you KNOW that, though? Perhaps there is a reason for every little thing, or maybe there is only lack of purpose because God allows it to be so? I don't think this is an area where someone can really 'know' either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Good point....but how do you explain emotions, dreaming, feelings... 687377[/snapback] I don't. Although I could by pointing out that a collection of seemingly random events can produce very complex behavior - even on the molecular level, even if those molecules are neurotransmitters. Obviously, having neurotransmitter problems myself, that has some appeal to me. ...the way the human body is constructed....how does that just all 'happen' without someone devising it??? Actually, if the human body is an example of "intelligent design", the designer must have been retarded. The human body is pretty poorly engineered. For starters, who the hell puts a sewage line through a recreational area?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 By definition, if God exists, he must exist outside the universe, and thus can't be known by us, as the definition of "the universe" at its most basic is the boundary of what it's possible to know. If he exists within the universe, he's not God...because he could not have been around to create it otherwise. 687378[/snapback] Is there a scientific theory of omnipresence?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackur Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 I don't. Although I could by pointing out that a collection of seemingly random events can produce very complex behavior - even on the molecular level, even if those molecules are neurotransmitters. Obviously, having neurotransmitter problems myself, that has some appeal to me.Actually, if the human body is an example of "intelligent design", the designer must have been retarded. The human body is pretty poorly engineered. For starters, who the hell puts a sewage line through a recreational area?... 687383[/snapback] Sex= Feels good Taking a piss or a sh--= Feels even better sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Faith in God isn't something that I or anyone else can give you. It's an individual choice. Through my own experience, one who truly endeavors to become close to God finds that opportunity available to them at some point. Whether or not you or anyone else decides to take those steps is completely up to you and them. I wish I could just show you something or tell you something and all of a sudden you'd know that God existed. But that's not possible. I can sit down with anyone and tell them of my experiences, without any sort of embellishment whatsoever, and maybe help inspire them to look into things on their own. But beyond that I think it's an individual thing. 687372[/snapback] Of course it's an individual thing. You believe, I don't. I'm more of a scientific type that believes things happened, just happened by chance to create the life we have here on earth. If earth was just a bit closer or further from the sun we wouldn't be here. It's science, it's by chance, nothing is laid out by a higher power in my belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Sex= Feels good Taking a piss or a sh--= Feels even better sometimes 687385[/snapback] LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 How do you KNOW that, though? Perhaps there is a reason for every little thing, or maybe there is only lack of purpose because God allows it to be so? I don't think this is an area where someone can really 'know' either. 687381[/snapback] Actually, you're right. It's an article of faith with me that sometimes sh-- just happens. It just happens to let me sleep at night; otherwise I'd stay awake wondering "Why's my father in the hospital dying right now?" or "Why does chicken taste like chicken?" Though again...if you REALLY want me to explain why sh-- just happenes...I'll say "Lagrangian theory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 who the hell puts a sewage line through a recreational area?... 687383[/snapback] Erie County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Sex= Feels good Taking a piss or a sh--= Feels even better sometimes 687385[/snapback] Uhhhh...okay. Maybe it's time to get a new girlfriend? I'm just sayin'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Of course it's an individual thing. You believe, I don't. I'm more of a scientific type that believes things happened, just happened by chance to create the life we have here on earth. If earth was just a bit closer or further from the sun we wouldn't be here. It's science, it's by chance, nothing is laid out by a higher power in my belief. 687386[/snapback] And I completely respect your beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 And I completely respect your beliefs. 687393[/snapback] And I respect yours.....even though they're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 I think we should move this to the PPP board and watch the universe explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Actually, you're right. It's an article of faith with me that sometimes sh-- just happens. It just happens to let me sleep at night; otherwise I'd stay awake wondering "Why's my father in the hospital dying right now?" or "Why does chicken taste like chicken?" Though again...if you REALLY want me to explain why sh-- just happenes...I'll say "Lagrangian theory." 687388[/snapback] I hear ya....I'm sorry about your father. I'm actually going through the same thing with my mom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 And I respect yours.....even though they're wrong. 687394[/snapback] LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackur Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Uhhhh...okay. Maybe it's time to get a new girlfriend? I'm just sayin'... 687391[/snapback] I'm sorry I didn't humor you Maybe you have sh-- for brains? I didn't know that "we" "me and you" had different recreational areas on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Sex= Feels good Taking a piss or a sh--= Feels even better sometimes 687385[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 By definition, if God exists, he must exist outside the universe, and thus can't be known by us, as the definition of "the universe" at its most basic is the boundary of what it's possible to know. If he exists within the universe, he's not God...because he could not have been around to create it otherwise. 687378[/snapback] That you Carl? If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 A big crunch is not a new idea either. 687171[/snapback] Yeah, Col. Sanders created it a while back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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