nick in* england Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Starters 22 Clements, Nate CB Starter 24 McGee, Terrence CB Starter 90 Kelsay, Chris DE Starter 94 Schobel, Aaron DE Starter 77 Anderson, Tim DT Starter 98 Tripplett, Larry DT Starter 31 Shelton, Daimon FB Starter 9 Lindell, Rian K Starter 55 Crowell, Angelo LB Starter 59 Fletcher, London LB Starter 51 Spikes, Takeo LB Starter 54 Schneck, Mike LS Starter 58 Villarrial, Chris OL Starter 67 Fowler, Melvin OL Starter 69 Gandy, Mike OL Starter 70 Reyes, Tutan OL Starter 71 Peters, Jason OL Starter 8 Moorman, Brian P Starter 7 Losman, JP QB Starter 21 McGahee, Willis RB Starter 23 Vincent, Troy S Starter 36 Whitner, Donte S Starter 84 Royal, Robert TE Starter 81 Price, Peerless WR Starter 83 Evans, Lee WR Starter Backups 29 King, Eric CB Backup 33 Greer, Jabari CB Backup 38 Youboty, Ashton CB Backup 92 Denney, Ryan DE Backup 97 McCargo, John DL Backup 93 Sape, Lauvale DT Backup 95 Williams, Kyle DT Backup 35 Burns, Joe FB/RB Backup 53 Haggan, Mario LB Backup 50 Ezekiel, Liam LB Backup 57 Stamer, Josh LB Backup 73 Geisinger, Justin OL Backup 74 Gibson, Aaron OL Backup 75 Preston, Duke OL Backup 60 Butler, Brad OL Backup 10 Holcomb, Kelly QB Backup 16 Nall, Craig QB Backup 25 Gates, Lionel RB Backup 28 Thomas, Anthony RB Backup 40 Simpson, Ko S Backup 41 Bowen, Matt S Backup 26 Baker, Rashad S Backup 86 Cieslak, Brad TE Backup 85 Everett, Kevin TE Backup 82 Reed, Josh WR Backup 11 Parrish, Roscoe WR Backup 18 Davis, Andre WR Backup 89 Aiken, Sam WR Backup Practise Squad 74 Rice, Matthew DE Practise Squad 46 Ming, Derrick FB Practise Squad 64 Ellison, Keith LB Practise Squad 61 Pennington, Terrance OL Practise Squad 62 Merz, Aaron OL Practise Squad 17 Nance, Martin WR Practise Squad Cuts 43 Bassey, Eric CB Cut 37 Thomas, Kiwaukee DB Cut 30 Bethea, James DB Cut 91 Powell, Eric DE Cut 63 Word, Mark DE Cut 72 Neill, Ryan DL Cut 76 Hall, Jason DL Cut 99 Jefferson, Jason DT Cut 68 Brown, LaWaylon DT Cut 44 Goldsberry, Jon FB Cut 54 DiGiorgio, John LB Cut 96 Posey, Jeff LB Cut 52 Hunter, Wendell LB Cut 65 Thomas, Jason OL Cut 66 Anderson, Bennie OL Cut 76 Jerman, Greg OL Cut 72 Morgan, Matt OT Cut 20 Williams, Shaud RB Cut 27 Wire, Coy S Cut 42 Leonhard, Jim S Cut 56 Carothers, Greg S/LB Cut 87 Euhus, Tim TE Cut 88 Neufeld, Ryan TE Cut 14 Denney, Chris WR Cut 15 Wilson, George WR Cut 19 Smith, Jonathan WR Cut 39 Lee, Rob CB Cut 64 Tupa'i, Faafetai DT Cut 13 Setta, Nicholas K/P Cut 79 McFarland, Dylan OT Cut 17 Ochs, Craig QB Cut 2 Woodbury, Tory QB Cut 45 Jackson, Fred RB Cut That's a lot of cutting to do! Hmmm - this is just how I see things panning out based on reports out of camp and historical trends on the types of numbers at each position. DE is the only position I have left us thin at - maybe LB too. I also think that based on this list the OL looks VERY shallow based on my logic of cutting Jerman and Anderson... I guess we'll see how that pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 No offense Nick, but almost every NFL team carries 10-11 offensive linemen on the active roster. yet you can everyone else seems to think that magically we will only have 3 reserves. Sorry to say but it ain' happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick in* england Posted May 9, 2006 Author Share Posted May 9, 2006 No offense Nick, but almost every NFL team carries 10-11 offensive linemen on the active roster. yet you can everyone else seems to think that magically we will only have 3 reserves. Sorry to say but it ain' happening. 687040[/snapback] I have us with 4 reserves and 2 on the PS... Like I said - we might have to trade one of the Safties to shoehorn in one of Jerman or Anderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 I think that's a pretty good take at the 53 based on who's here now... still hoping to upgrade with some late cuts at DL & OL. I have us with 4 reserves and 2 on the PS... Like I said - we might have to trade one of the Safties to shoehorn in one of Jerman or Anderson. 687046[/snapback] I think Vincent is gone, far too old with zero upside..... a late OL cut from another team can take his place, not Jerman & especially not Fat Bennie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 No offense Nick, but almost every NFL team carries 10-11 offensive linemen on the active roster. yet you can everyone else seems to think that magically we will only have 3 reserves. Sorry to say but it ain' happening. 687040[/snapback] Actually, most teams only keep 9 linemen. 5 starters, 4 reserves, with 2 of the reserves being active for games and 2 inactive. I won't do the whole roster, but here's my opinion on the OL: Starters: LT: Gandy LG: Reyes C: Fowler RG: Villarial RT: Peters backup G/C: Preston, Geisinger backup LT: McFarland backup RT: Butler practice squad: Merz, Pennington cuts: Gibson, Anderson, Thomas, Morgan, Jerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 With the performance of Shaud Williams last year, I can't see him being cut. He just made things happen. There will also need to be a 4th DE on the active roster most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 I think that's a pretty good take at the 53 based on who's here now... still hoping to upgrade with some late cuts at DL & OL.I think Vincent is gone, far too old with zero upside..... a late OL cut from another team can take his place, not Jerman & especially not Fat Bennie. 687069[/snapback] While one can theorize reasonably that Vincent might be cut if he somehow showed a large drop-off from last year AND we saw huge improvement by some young FS you fail to identify, the perhaps it is reasonable to consider. But for a player who: 1. Tied for the team lead in INTs with McGee at 5 last year 2. Tie for the team lead in fumble recoveries with a paltry 2 last year (which still led team) 3. Has certainly lost a step since his CB days, but in thos CB days he was quick enough to cover speed WRs one-on-one and did this well enough to merit a Pro Bowl nod so now with his shift to FS he seems to have had a step to lose and he still can get the job done. 4. Was actually used somewhat inappropriately last year in the zone blitz which demanded solid run support from the safeties while a switch to theCover 2 (or even easier for him the Tampa 2) instead emphasizes pass coverage by the safties and actually puts a premium on safety experience to diagnose oppoing plays and players. He is old but this means that TV has seen a lot of plays. 5. We drafted key young talented DBs in this draft who have great skill but by definition are not vets. Vincent is a player who relates to his fellow teammates but in fact the entire league in a way that he was voted Pres of the NFLPA by his peers and he played a leadership role in a clearly fractious, pampered, (and sometime individually idiotic) group but their discipline held together such that they won a huge majority share of the total revenues. 6. Vincents leadership has led to him and other prominent NFL players actually attending Wharton business school and getting credit toward their MBA, in sharp contrast to the Travis Henry non-method of fiscal management.. 7. He is first on the official team depth chart at FS and the only rumbling I have heard of his being cut are some unsubstantiated fact-free opinions on TSW. 8. Cutting him provides a relatively small fiscal benefit to the Bills in terms of cap savings. In fact, he was certainly both he and Milloy were weighed for cutting and the Bills made a choice already to cut Milloy (with multi-million cap savings) and keep Vincent. Sure, he might get cut as folks such as TV who are well beyond the athletic prime in age can hit the wall suddenly. However, the claim that there is zero upside to keeping him simply does not line up with the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB2004 Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Starters22 Clements, Nate CB Starter 24 McGee, Terrence CB Starter 90 Kelsay, Chris DE Starter 94 Schobel, Aaron DE Starter 77 Anderson, Tim DT Starter 98 Tripplett, Larry DT Starter 31 Shelton, Daimon FB Starter 9 Lindell, Rian K Starter 55 Crowell, Angelo LB Starter 59 Fletcher, London LB Starter 51 Spikes, Takeo LB Starter 54 Schneck, Mike LS Starter 58 Villarrial, Chris OL Starter 67 Fowler, Melvin OL Starter 69 Gandy, Mike OL Starter 70 Reyes, Tutan OL Starter 71 Peters, Jason OL Starter 8 Moorman, Brian P Starter 7 Losman, JP QB Starter 21 McGahee, Willis RB Starter 23 Vincent, Troy S Starter 36 Whitner, Donte S Starter 84 Royal, Robert TE Starter 81 Price, Peerless WR Starter 83 Evans, Lee WR Starter Backups 29 King, Eric CB Backup 33 Greer, Jabari CB Backup 38 Youboty, Ashton CB Backup 92 Denney, Ryan DE Backup 97 McCargo, John DL Backup 93 Sape, Lauvale DT Backup 95 Williams, Kyle DT Backup 35 Burns, Joe FB/RB Backup 53 Haggan, Mario LB Backup 50 Ezekiel, Liam LB Backup 57 Stamer, Josh LB Backup 73 Geisinger, Justin OL Backup 74 Gibson, Aaron OL Backup 75 Preston, Duke OL Backup 60 Butler, Brad OL Backup 10 Holcomb, Kelly QB Backup 16 Nall, Craig QB Backup 25 Gates, Lionel RB Backup 28 Thomas, Anthony RB Backup 40 Simpson, Ko S Backup 41 Bowen, Matt S Backup 26 Baker, Rashad S Backup 86 Cieslak, Brad TE Backup 85 Everett, Kevin TE Backup 82 Reed, Josh WR Backup 11 Parrish, Roscoe WR Backup 18 Davis, Andre WR Backup 89 Aiken, Sam WR Backup Practise Squad 74 Rice, Matthew DE Practise Squad 46 Ming, Derrick FB Practise Squad 64 Ellison, Keith LB Practise Squad 61 Pennington, Terrance OL Practise Squad 62 Merz, Aaron OL Practise Squad 17 Nance, Martin WR Practise Squad Cuts 43 Bassey, Eric CB Cut 37 Thomas, Kiwaukee DB Cut 30 Bethea, James DB Cut 91 Powell, Eric DE Cut 63 Word, Mark DE Cut 72 Neill, Ryan DL Cut 76 Hall, Jason DL Cut 99 Jefferson, Jason DT Cut 68 Brown, LaWaylon DT Cut 44 Goldsberry, Jon FB Cut 54 DiGiorgio, John LB Cut 96 Posey, Jeff LB Cut 52 Hunter, Wendell LB Cut 65 Thomas, Jason OL Cut 66 Anderson, Bennie OL Cut 76 Jerman, Greg OL Cut 72 Morgan, Matt OT Cut 20 Williams, Shaud RB Cut 27 Wire, Coy S Cut 42 Leonhard, Jim S Cut 56 Carothers, Greg S/LB Cut 87 Euhus, Tim TE Cut 88 Neufeld, Ryan TE Cut 14 Denney, Chris WR Cut 15 Wilson, George WR Cut 19 Smith, Jonathan WR Cut 39 Lee, Rob CB Cut 64 Tupa'i, Faafetai DT Cut 13 Setta, Nicholas K/P Cut 79 McFarland, Dylan OT Cut 17 Ochs, Craig QB Cut 2 Woodbury, Tory QB Cut 45 Jackson, Fred RB Cut That's a lot of cutting to do! Hmmm - this is just how I see things panning out based on reports out of camp and historical trends on the types of numbers at each position. DE is the only position I have left us thin at - maybe LB too. I also think that based on this list the OL looks VERY shallow based on my logic of cutting Jerman and Anderson... I guess we'll see how that pans out. 687038[/snapback] I think it looks realistic, but if we pick up an offensive lineman after June 1st I could see one or two guys more getting cut from the offensive line. Also, will Jim Leonhard get cut or can he stay as a backup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 While one can theorize reasonably that Vincent might be cut if he somehow showed a large drop-off from last year AND we saw huge improvement by some young FS you fail to identify, the perhaps it is reasonable to consider. But for a player who: 1. Tied for the team lead in INTs with McGee at 5 last year 2. Tie for the team lead in fumble recoveries with a paltry 2 last year (which still led team) He probably led the team in most times being trampled by opposing RBs/WRs.. if he wasn't first, he was near the top. 3. Has certainly lost a step since his CB days, but in thos CB days he was quick enough to cover speed WRs one-on-one and did this well enough to merit a Pro Bowl nod so now with his shift to FS he seems to have had a step to lose and he still can get the job done.Those Pro Bowl days are long over, and he's no Rod Woodson. 4. He is old Agreed. 5. We drafted key young talented DBs in this draft who have great skill but by definition are not vets. We already had key young talented DBs on this team before the draft. I think Baker will beat him out and will start this year until Simpson is ready. Baker has upside, Vincent does not. Vincent is a player who relates to his fellow teammates but in fact the entire league in a way that he was voted Pres of the NFLPA by his peers and he played a leadership role in a clearly fractious, pampered, (and sometime individually idiotic) group but their discipline held together such that they won a huge majority share of the total revenues.The NFLPA will not be able to give him a job on the field... maybe off the field, but not on. 6. Vincents leadership has led to him and other prominent NFL players actually attending Wharton business school and getting credit toward their MBA, in sharp contrast to the Travis Henry non-method of fiscal management..Irrelevant, he's still too old. 7. He is first on the official team depth chart at FS and the only rumbling I have heard of his being cut are some unsubstantiated fact-free opinions on TSW.Bennie Anderson and Kelly Holcomb are also first right now. 8. Cutting him provides a relatively small fiscal benefit to the Bills in terms of cap savings. In fact, he was certainly both he and Milloy were weighed for cutting and the Bills made a choice already to cut Milloy (with multi-million cap savings) and keep Vincent.Marv has already said that the better players will play. Sure, he might get cut as folks such as TV who are well beyond the athletic prime in age can hit the wall suddenly. He's already hit it, don't be fooled by the INT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Starters22 Clements, Nate CB Starter 24 McGee, Terrence CB Starter 90 Kelsay, Chris DE Starter 94 Schobel, Aaron DE Starter 77 Anderson, Tim DT Starter 98 Tripplett, Larry DT Starter 31 Shelton, Daimon FB Starter 9 Lindell, Rian K Starter 55 Crowell, Angelo LB Starter 59 Fletcher, London LB Starter 51 Spikes, Takeo LB Starter 54 Schneck, Mike LS Starter 58 Villarrial, Chris OL Starter 67 Fowler, Melvin OL Starter 69 Gandy, Mike OL Starter 70 Reyes, Tutan OL Starter 71 Peters, Jason OL Starter 8 Moorman, Brian P Starter 7 Losman, JP QB Starter 21 McGahee, Willis RB Starter 23 Vincent, Troy S Starter 36 Whitner, Donte S Starter 84 Royal, Robert TE Starter 81 Price, Peerless WR Starter 83 Evans, Lee WR Starter [ 687038[/snapback] Shelton? Please say it ain't so. Damn, I wish we'd get a stud FB. Just for appearance, I'd put another receiver or TE as a starter so Daimon isn't on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 With the performance of Shaud Williams last year, I can't see him being cut. He just made things happen. There will also need to be a 4th DE on the active roster most likely. 687073[/snapback] I like Williams' desire and attitude but it seemed the things he most made happen were getting the ball and making a second and seven into a third and seven. Just not enough production from your backup. Does come from my favorite college team though. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Practise Squad 64 Ellison, Keith LB Practise Squad Cuts 66 Anderson, Bennie OL Cut 76 Jerman, Greg OL Cut I think Ellison makes the team outright but will be "inactive" on and off throughout the season. I think both Anderson and Jerman stick for depth. The only thing your list is missing is which players get tucked away on the IR list with a broken finger nail because they are too good to be cut, and so they won't count on either the active roster or the practice squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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