Billick confirmed on radio this morning

[Sisyphean Bills]

Quiz time. Who said this?

 

You can't get enough offensive linemen/defensive linemen or corners. You can get a RB, a WR, a safety later on.

[Alaska Darin]

What baffles me is that many of the very same people who simply couldn't wait to oust Drew are now fully content to watch Losman get his brains beat in, which will almost surely happen.    They are happy to have DBs with 3 of the first 4 picks.

 

I was against the trade that brought JP to Buffalo, but he IS here, and he deserves a chance to have a few seconds to throw. A running game would be cool too, considering that Willis is in fact a damn good back!

 

All I want is for the losing cycle to end. It will not until we stop focusing on small football players. Dwight Adams agrees.

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I only saw one OLineman worthy of a first round grade and he went before we picked. Generally, once you get out of the first round your chances of hitting on an OLineman diminish greatly.

 

Guards taken between 1997-2001

 

2001 1 1 17 17 Steve Hutchinson Seahawks Michigan

2 3 6 68 Mike Gandy Bears Notre Dame

3 4 10 105 Bill Ferrerio Packers Wisconsin

4 4 33 128 Floyd Womack Seahawks Mississippi State

5 5 4 135 Victor Leyva Bengals Arizona State

6 5 6 137 Matt Lehr Cowboys Virginia Tech

7 5 20 151 Russ Hochstein Buccaneers Nebraska

8 6 7 170 Chad Ward Jaguars Washington

9 6 13 176 Alex Sulfsted Chiefs Miami (OH)

10 6 36 199 Adam Haayer Titans Minnesota

11 7 3 203 Paul Zukauskas Browns Boston College

12 7 19 219 Kynan Forney Falcons Hawaii

2000 1 2 6 37 Travis Claridge Falcons USC

2 2 20 51 Cosey Coleman Buccaneers Tennessee

3 3 20 82 Leander Jordan Panthers Indiana (PA)

4 4 6 100 Michael Thompson Falcons Tennessee State

5 4 35 129 Michael Moore Redskins Troy State

6 5 9 138 Matt Johnson Colts Brigham Young

7 5 19 148 Richard Mercier Ravens Miami (FL)

8 6 16 182 Jeno James Panthers Auburn

9 6 22 188 Darnell Alford Chiefs Boston College

10 6 40 206 Brad Bedell Browns Colorado

11 7 1 207 Manuia Savea Browns Arizona

12 7 14 220 Andrew Kline Rams San Diego State

13 7 16 222 Jason Thomas Chargers Hampton

14 7 18 224 Mark Tauscher Packers Wisconsin

15 7 42 248 Lewis Kelly Vikings South Carolina State

1999 1 2 26 57 Randy Thomas Jets Mississippi State

2 3 2 63 Brandon Burlsworth Colts Arkansas

3 3 3 64 Doug Brzezinski Eagles Boston College

4 3 20 81 Zach Piller Oilers Florida

5 3 27 88 Anthony Cesario Jaguars Colorado State

6 3 29 90 David Loverne Jets San Jose State

7 4 2 97 John Welbourn Eagles California

8 4 34 129 Edwin Mulitalo Ravens Arizona

9 5 8 141 Reggie Nelson Chargers McNeese State

10 5 10 143 Jerry Wisne Bears Notre Dame

11 5 12 145 Cameron Spikes Rams Texas A&M

12 5 28 161 Tyrone Hopson 49ers Eastern Kentucky

13 5 35 168 Yusuf Scott Cardinals Arizona

14 6 28 197 J.P. Machado Jets Illinois

15 6 34 203 Scott Curry Packers Montana

16 7 3 209 Tony Coats Bengals Washington

17 7 14 220 Eric King Chiefs Richmond

18 7 20 226 Robert Hunt Buccaneers Virginia

19 7 37 243 Kelvin Garmon Cowboys Baylor

20 7 38 244 Joe Wong Dolphins Brigham Young

1998s 1 2 0 0 Mike Wahle Packers Navy

1998 1 1 26 26 Alan Faneca Steelers Louisiana State

2 2 23 53 Bob Hallen Falcons Kent State

3 3 17 78 Mike Goff Bengals Iowa

4 4 1 93 Steve McKinney Colts Texas A&M

5 4 17 109 Gennaro DiNapoli Raiders Virginia Tech

6 5 16 139 Benji Olson Oilers Washington

7 5 17 140 Mark Fischer Redskins Purdue

8 5 20 143 Scott Shaw Dolphins Michigan State

9 5 28 151 Phil Ostrowski 49ers Penn State

10 6 6 159 Glenn Rountree Rams Clemson

11 6 36 189 Patrick Mannelly Bears Duke

12 7 9 198 Victor Allotey Bills Indiana

13 7 18 207 Chris Liwienski Lions Indiana

14 7 21 210 Jim Bundren Dolphins Clemson

15 7 28 217 Chad Overhauser Bears UCLA

16 7 38 227 Antonio Fleming Cowboys Georgia

17 7 51 240 Melvin Thomas Eagles Colorado

1997 1 1 10 10 Chris Naeole Saints Colorado

2 1 30 30 Ross Verba Packers Iowa

3 3 3 63 Frank Middleton Buccaneers Arizona

4 3 7 67 Dan Neil Broncos Texas

5 3 9 69 Bob Sapp Bears Washington

6 3 23 83 Steve Scifres Cowboys Wyoming

7 4 1 97 Damon Denson Patriots Michigan

8 4 10 106 Chris Dishman Cardinals Nebraska

9 4 25 121 Jerome Daniels Dolphins Northeastern

10 5 1 131 Lamont Burns Jets East Carolina

11 5 32 162 Brad Badger Redskins Stanford

12 6 5 168 Tony Ramirez Lions Northern Colorado

13 6 22 185 Marcus Spriggs Bills Houston

[Kelly the Dog]

^^

Yikes.

[Alaska Darin]

Quiz time.  Who said this?

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That Bill Parcells sure is an idiot for picking a safety at number eight. What's he know about football?

[Sisyphean Bills]

Since we're walking down memory lane, who was the last safety who ran a sub 4.4 - 40? Was it Rod Woodson? Would he be worth a top 10 pick?

 

Not sure what this was fishing for...

 

1. Woodson was drafted as a cornerback and return man. He had great speed, no question about it. Especially for his size in the day. He was a great, great player. (That fact and $5 gets a cup of coffee for Whitner.)

 

2. Whitner is reported to have run 4.4, 4.42, 4.53, etc. in the 40. These are good times. But they are not eye-popping, jaw-dropping times.

 

3. Every defensive back other than Whitner (Cromartie comes closest, but he was recovering from major knee surgery and posted a 40 time of 4.48 but apparently later a 4.38) drafted in the first round of the draft run sub 4.4 in the 40. In fact, both Youboty and Simpson ran faster than Whitner in the 40.

 

4. How much stock are we putting in 40 times here?

 

I like Whitner for his many attributes and will root for him as he is now a Buffalo Bill. I hope he is the 2nd coming ... er, make that the 1st coming in Buffalo. He has excellent speed, but he's not some freak speed burner.

 

Anyway, back to the people comparing their members... oh, sorry, I meant "intelligence".

[Kelly the Dog]

Not sure what this was fishing for...

 

1. Woodson was drafted as a cornerback and return man.  He had great speed, no question about it.  Especially for his size in the day.  He was a great, great player.  (That fact and $5 gets a cup of coffee for Whitner.)

 

2. Whitner is reported to have run 4.4, 4.42, 4.53, etc. in the 40.  These are good times.  But they are not eye-popping, jaw-dropping times.

 

3. Every defensive back other than Whitner (Cromartie comes closest, but he was recovering from major knee surgery and posted a 40 time of  4.48 but apparently later a 4.38) drafted in the first round of the draft run sub 4.4 in the 40.  In fact, both Youboty and Simpson ran faster than Whitner in the 40.

 

4. How much stock are we putting in 40 times here?

 

I like Whitner for his many attributes and will root for him as he is now a Buffalo Bill.  I hope he is the 2nd coming ... er, make that the 1st coming in Buffalo.  He has excellent speed, but he's not some freak speed burner.

 

Anyway, back to the people comparing their members... oh, sorry, I meant "intelligence". 

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4.38 reported in numerous places.

 

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/14462462.htm

 

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=3739

[ax4782]

Forty times don't mean anything, folks. If Buffalo drafted forty times, we'd be even worse than we were last season. The argument isn't about which guy can run faster, its about who plays harder. Sure, speed is important and necessary, but it is not sufficient in terms of determining who is and is not a successful player. Intelligence, desire and pqs are all important and Whitner displayed all of those traits at OSU. He will be a GREAT asset to the defense and will, in terms of talent push Bowens, Wire, and Vincent to be better. Let's focus on the stuff about these players that means something rather than picky points that in the grand scheme of things don't have anything to do with whether or not someone is really going to be a good player. Anyone remember Mark Kelso's forty time? Leonard Smiths? Bennetts? Reeds? No, we remember them for a lot of other things, but no one cares what their forty times were past the time when they were drafted.

[Sisyphean Bills]

4.38 reported in numerous places.

 

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/14462462.htm

 

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=3739

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OK, and here are some of the other numerous reports in the 4.4+ range.

 

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/423565

 

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=12437

 

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=727

 

http://www.ryanmcbain.com/flow.html

 

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...ntewhitner.html

 

http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/Profiles/dont...tnerprofile.htm

 

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sp...21nfldraft.html

 

http://www.cnnsi.com/football/2006/draft/players/5378.html

 

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/article...-Huff060419.php

 

http://www.gridirongrumblings.com/draftana...Donte%20Whitner

 

http://www.!@#$.com/index.php?nam...rticle&sid=8861

 

http://www.nflfans.com/x/archive/index.php/t-9047.html

 

As originally posted, Whitner isn't slow. Still, he isn't the World's fastest human either. He's not even the fastest DB in the draft, but more on the tail end of the 1st round picks.

 

Anyway, the point was I did not and do not understand the original argument at all. Not whether or not Whitner had worked with a speed coach and shaved a whole 2 hundreths off his 40 time (which is completely meaningless as far as I'm concerned). Does whatever 40 time you want to use guarantee that Whitner will be a Hall of Famer like Woodson or something?

[Kelly the Dog]

OK, and here are some of the other numerous reports in the 4.4+ range.

 

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/423565

 

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=12437

 

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=727

 

http://www.ryanmcbain.com/flow.html

 

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...ntewhitner.html

 

http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/Profiles/dont...tnerprofile.htm

 

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sp...21nfldraft.html

 

http://www.cnnsi.com/football/2006/draft/players/5378.html

 

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/article...-Huff060419.php

 

http://www.gridirongrumblings.com/draftana...Donte%20Whitner

 

http://www.!@#$.com/index.php?nam...rticle&sid=8861

 

http://www.nflfans.com/x/archive/index.php/t-9047.html

 

As originally posted, Whitner isn't slow.  Still, he isn't the World's fastest human either.  He's not even the fastest DB in the draft, but more on the tail end of the 1st round picks.

 

Anyway, the point was I did not and do not understand the original argument at all.  Not whether or not Whitner had worked with a speed coach and shaved a whole 2 hundreths off his 40 time (which is completely meaningless as far as I'm concerned).  Does whatever 40 time you want to use guarantee that Whitner will be a Hall of Famer like Woodson or something?

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Here's how it works. It may be dumb, it might not be an indication of a 40 time, but this is how they do it: The guy runs several 40s, at the combine, at the pro day, other times, and they take the best score. That's usually his 40 time. You don't take the 2nd best time, or the 3rd best time, or the combine time. Unless it's unofficial, or wind aided, or just someone's report, versus an official clocking, you use the guy's best time.

 

That said, I am in agreement with the Dwight Adams quote (it was my question) that it's humanly impossible to run a 4.4 40 and that Ben Johnson on juice in the Olympics with the fastest 100 meters ever didnt cover the 40 yards in under 4.4. But if you're comparing 40 times to other players it's customary to use his best clocked time, which, to me, seems to be 4.38