Guest BackInDaDay Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Concur. I am so tired of the "we could have traded down and still picked these guys" comments. Amazing how much scouting and GM talent there is in the WNY area. Whitner should start, McCargo will be heavily involved in the DT rotation (both are juniors by the way), and Youbotny could be nickel or dime back. I can see all 3 starting in the future. 676850[/snapback] I think the CB's a junior also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 There's some interesting WR's still available (Baskett) and I'm intrigued by a couple of QB's---but do we need to go there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 We're loaded with OGs. If Villareal can't play in space, Preston will take over. I agree that we'll draft two O-lineman before the smoke clears tommorrow, but I think McNally has more options coaching an agile line than the maulers we've seen. They're more capable of taking defenders laterally without losing them. You can coach these techs. The hell with all the Sumos we've had here. Mobile - Agile - Hostile - the new Bills' mantra. BTW - Big Bennie should be reassigned to the short yardage team in favor of Reyes and some of our OG depth had better be prepared to work hard in their speed and agility sessions to secure a spot. 676903[/snapback] I suppose I would feel a bit better if I knew for sure that Preston could effectively handle both G spots. I'm not sure I'm there yet though... What about another DT tommorow to compete with Anderson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 I think the Texans or someone else will take Jean-Giles before the Bills get to pick. I also think that if we were to get a defensive end, we would have gotten Tapp, only because he can take D'Brick to the house as he has done before. I think we are looking at the Center from Minnesota, Fred Matua the OG from USC, or a pass rushing DE. I would also like to see a tackle but i think it will be a guy that is not thought of very highly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BackInDaDay Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 What about another DT tommorow to compete with Anderson? 676971[/snapback] That may not be as much of a need as it was before our 2nd pick. LB and DE speed is what we lack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BackInDaDay Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 I think the Texans or someone else will take Jean-Giles before the Bills get to pick. I also think that if we were to get a defensive end, we would have gotten Tapp, only because he can take D'Brick to the house as he has done before. I think we are looking at the Center from Minnesota, Fred Matua the OG from USC, or a pass rushing DE. I would also like to see a tackle but i think it will be a guy that is not thought of very highly. 676989[/snapback] An athletic C would keep our blocking scheme in place should Fowler go down. I don't know if Geisinger can handle things going sideways. Still, I really think we have to get a pass-rush off the other edge and a LB that can cover the zone between the safeties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 An athletic C would keep our blocking scheme in place should Fowler go down. I don't know if Geisinger can handle things going sideways. Still, I really think we have to get a pass-rush off the other edge and a LB that can cover the zone between the safeties. 677014[/snapback] Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf Fub Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 I agree we need the OT. I hadn't thought about a LB but you make some good points. I'd like to see some depth on D line also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 The thing is, is i think that Angelo Crowell stepped up last year and i think we are set at linebacker. Would it be nice to have a pass rusher to come off the edge on third downs? Yeah it would. But i think there are more pressing needs like a DE or a tall WR or TE possibly for redzone pushes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 The thing is, is i think that Angelo Crowell stepped up last year and i think we are set at linebacker. Would it be nice to have a pass rusher to come off the edge on third downs? Yeah it would. But i think there are more pressing needs like a DE or a tall WR or TE possibly for redzone pushes. 677046[/snapback] Our starting LB's aren't getting any younger. If someone is decent there, fine. But honestly, I'd target a stud for 2007 as a first or second rounder with as much obvious rookie starting potential as is possible to guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan Trapped in Pats Land Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 This O Line should be able to pull and run sweeps better than any we've seen in some time around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 The Bills need an offensive line. Not just certain players on an offensive line, but a whole line. There isn't one guy on that line I'm happy to see starting. Not Peters, not Gandy, not even Fowler, and certainly not Anderson or an aging Villarrial. Well, you say, the line played well in the second half of 2004. But which starters are left from that line? Jennings is gone, as are Ross Tucker and Trey Teague, and even Mike Williams. Villarrial is the only OL starter left from 2004, and he's not the same player he used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 The Bills need an offensive line. Not just certain players on an offensive line, but a whole line. There isn't one guy on that line I'm happy to see starting. Not Peters, not Gandy, not even Fowler, and certainly not Anderson or an aging Villarrial. Well, you say, the line played well in the second half of 2004. But which starters are left from that line? Jennings is gone, as are Ross Tucker and Trey Teague, and even Mike Williams. Villarrial is the only OL starter left from 2004, and he's not the same player he used to be. 677257[/snapback] Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 a LB, OT, and RB. I may be in the minority, but I like Marv's choices. 676771[/snapback] I'm not displeased at all... I would have liked to have kept the other 3rd Round Pick and still got McCargo... But I realize he likely would have been gone by #42, and having the other 3rd Round Pick made it a little easier to accept... The Bills got faster and younger on Defense today, and you could not wipe the smile off Fewell's face...He looked like my 6 Year Old Nephew on Christmas Morning... I think the #1 Need now is a Pass Rush Specialist...A DE or OLB...But someone who can get after the QB...Then OL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob marley Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 LB, DT, OT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 The Bills need an offensive line. Not just certain players on an offensive line, but a whole line. There isn't one guy on that line I'm happy to see starting. Not Peters, not Gandy, not even Fowler, and certainly not Anderson or an aging Villarrial. Well, you say, the line played well in the second half of 2004. But which starters are left from that line? Jennings is gone, as are Ross Tucker and Trey Teague, and even Mike Williams. Villarrial is the only OL starter left from 2004, and he's not the same player he used to be. 677257[/snapback] Sorry Holcomb I just cant agree with you on that..... Gone are the days where you assemble the type of line that the Bills and Dallas had in their glory days....it is just too difficult to do that. I think the key to this offensive line is exactly what the bills are doing.....finding intelligent hard working guys who dont suck and put together a veteran line....coupled with some promising young players from the draft..... Looking at the line we have right now... Gandy - I dont think Mike Gandy has done anywhere near as bad of a job as some have raved about.....all LT's get beat every now and again and it doesn't make them bad players...Gandy is fricken solid...and he will be even more solid with a LT who can hold up his end in pass protection and coupled with a TE who can actually block. Tuten Reyes might have some liabilities in run blocking but even the fans of the panther sites (who have the exact same disease as bills fans when it comes to departing players) readily admit that Reyes is a good pass blocker......Benny Anderson was decent to horrible most of the time last year and always seemed to have penalties at the worst times....Reyes doenst give up sacks (look it up) and plays the game without committing 2 holding penalties a game. then you have veteran Melvin Fowler who quite honestly reminds me of Kent Hull.....a little undersized but quick and a warrior...... Next to him you have Villyman who battled injuries last year and was very solid for us the year before Jason Peters at RT looked very solid last year (in his first year of starting) and he showed me enough that I think his future will end up being at LT Behind them you have Duke Preston....people get upset because he didn't go out and pull the starting C position away from Trey Teague....well that is not going to happen when you are playing musical chairs with QB's and one guy is a veteran while another is a rookie....now that Teague is gone maybe our line isn't getting beaten up the middle off the snap of the ball..... I have absolutely no problem with this line at the start of the season BUT I dont think we should stand pat on OL talent because injuries happen....for instance I hope that Villyman stays healthy this next year but we need someone to step in at RG without missing a beat (Giles?) I hope that Gandy stays healthy but that has not been his MO in the past so a OT in the 4th would be a good idea (we could slide Peters over to LT and then insert Jon Scott from Texas into the RT position...or something to that effect. I guess what I am trying to say is.....I dont think our OL is a disaster at this point because of our Vet additons and because of the addition by subtraction of fat bennie, trey teague, and resolution of the Mike Williams situation.....but it would be smart to get some guys to groom who can play..... I go O Line in the 4th.....and possibly the 5th too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BackInDaDay Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 The Bills got faster and younger on Defense today, and you could not wipe the smile off Fewell's face...He looked like my 6 Year Old Nephew on Christmas Morning... 677287[/snapback] Jauron's already said he'll look to double up his 3-techs on passing downs (somebody please yell DRAW! ) to compliment Schobel, but getting pressure from the other side is crucial. Getting it done with a down-lineman takes the pressure off sending a coverage guy into the backfield, so I'd rather see a DE who can get upfield. Even if that's the only thing he can do. Kelsay's a good defender, but he doesn't get seperation quickly enough to threaten the QB. Now if you giftwrap a fly-to-the-ball LB who can cover the LB down the seam in the C-2, you'll see Fewell do hand-springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Gone are the days where you assemble the type of line that the Bills and Dallas had in their glory days....it is just too difficult to do that. Tell that to the Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers. As for the rest of your post, your views tend to be a little rosier than mine. Even if Villarrial stays healthy, he doesn't have much left in the tank. As for our tackles, you want guys who can block elite DEs one-on-one. I don't know that either Gandy or Peters can do that. Reyes is basically a Panthers' reject. While his pass blocking may be good, it doesn't sound like he'll ever be the kind of complete offensive lineman this team desperately needs. As for Fowler, if other teams saw Kent Hull in him, I think he'd have generated a lot more interest in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 I'd rather see a DE who can get upfield. Even if that's the only thing he can do. 677323[/snapback] In that case, the Bills could add that German guy to the final roster. The one who had all those sacks this past preseason, but who got cut so there could be 5 DTs and only 3 DEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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