inkman Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 McCargo was regularly double and triple-teamed. He made Mario Williams a better player. Did we need a DT? Of course we did. So what's the beef? It's that Mel Kiper isn't blessing our moves, that's all. PTR 675509[/snapback] I'm at work and can't see/hear Kiper and glad for it. I love the pick and think this kid will absolutely reek havoc in the middle with Tripplett.
/dev/null Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 I think we could have gotten both of these dudes later. 675533[/snapback] I agree we could have gotten McCargoPants with our 2nd rounder. But I think Whitner would have been off the board had Marv pulled the trigger on a trade with Philly or Denver
Zac Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 Solid pick in my book. We need a solid DT and he is a solid DT. So we gave up a 3rd to ensure we got him, not a big deal.
PromoTheRobot Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 Actually Kiper sounded like he approves of the Whitner pick 675523[/snapback] Qualified approval...he felt 8 was to high. But Whittner was gone at 9 if the Bills didn't take him. PTR
BringBackAndre Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 Yeah, I agree Donte would have been off the board. Hopefully he'll be a real playmaker.
rockpile Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 Gee, at least he has a nickname waiting for him: Clutch Cargo.
ans4e64 Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 Solid pick in my book. We need a solid DT and he is a solid DT. So we gave up a 3rd to ensure we got him, not a big deal. 675596[/snapback] there we go if we want a player.... get him, what the hell is the big deal we also dont need to "stockpile picks" anymore since we signed a lot of free agents
crackur Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 if u feel he is worth it do it gotta like the guys u pick
NEEDFREDJACKSONNOW Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 The draft is a big crapshoot anyway...sounds like the Bills did their homework though...Gotta have faith that Marv and Modrak know whant their doing....We put faith in TD, who made (mostly) trades and picks to wow us on draft day but the product on the field stank....
Cornerville Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 Let me get something straight here...so the Bills dealt their 2nd AND a 3rd to move up for this guy???
BADOLBILZ Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 You go to work and build things, sell things, etc. These guys go to work and evaluate talent and put together football teams. 675517[/snapback] One of the nice things about the NFL is that the cream rises to the top. Teams that are well coached and do a good job evaluating personnel win football games. The Bills are one of the 5 worst teams of this decade, they obviously haven't been the cream, they deserve to be criticized, if you don't see that, it's your problem. When Marv was hired, his lack of experience was cited as a potential concern. Remember, Marv was not with the Bills when they drafted Kelly, Smith and Reed 3/4 of the superstar engine that powered the Bills to 9 playoff appearances in 10 years. The personnel moves he has made seem to reflect opinions contrary to those of the rest of the league. The players he has signed in free agency and the contracts he has doled out for them have been puzzling, even though the media has all but forgotten about the sorry, boring team from Buffalo. It's logical to draw the conclusion that Marv is making bad decisions.
inkman Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 Let me get something straight here...so the Bills dealt their 2nd AND a 3rd to move up for this guy??? 675637[/snapback] You want to change your handle to JohnMcCargo don't you?
Coach Tuesday Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 Someone was gonna take him. Possibly the Jets or Giants.
ajzepp Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 You want to change your handle to JohnMcCargo don't you? 675650[/snapback]
John from Riverside Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 Let me get something straight here...so the Bills dealt their 2nd AND a 3rd to move up for this guy??? 675637[/snapback] Ummmmm They had already used their 1st rounder..... They moved BACK into the second round.....exactly how do they do that without packaging picks?
obie_wan Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 The personnel moves he has made seem to reflect opinions contrary to those of the rest of the league. 675645[/snapback] That is something we do not know. The only people who are laughing at the picks are media heads who are guessing as to where players are slotted. The actual teams who are selecting the players don't advertise their real intentions. Both of these players fit the system and will out perform where the "experts' projected them to be drafted.
Last Guy on the Bench Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 One interesting thing about both picks to me: their write-ups on NFL.com in the draft profiles section are very good. And if you read through those profiles in general, they tend to be MUCH more conservative (even negative) than the vast majority of the draft mags. That's why I like them. They seem realistic and don't claim everyone is going to be a pro-bowler. They liked both Whitner and McCargo a lot, however, and said that they were likely to be drafted much lower than they should be for various reasons (e.g., size). I guess the Bills saw things the way they did and moved accordingly. http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/whitner_donte http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/mccargo_john
BuffaloBob Posted April 29, 2006 Posted April 29, 2006 Let me get something straight here...so the Bills dealt their 2nd AND a 3rd to move up for this guy??? Did you think that either one of those alone would have been enough to get a first round pick? Usually you need to give up more than one lesser pick to get greater pick. Of course, if you can get a team to trade you a second for a first, than by all means do it! Also, for all you people making the statement that we could have had either of these guys later than what we got them are pissing in the wind. How could you possibly know that? Do you not think that people don't have much better inside info as to what other teams are doing than you? Just because numnuts Kuyper for ESPN thinks a guy has gone early is frankly irrelevant. He is not a coach, he is not in the loop as to what is going down in various war rooms. He has made a living convincing the public that he is an expert but he is nothing more than a media guy. Lot's of teams have been successful drafting guys that the talking heads thought at the time were reaches. Why should it be presumed that if Marv, et al. ain't drafting the guys the media experts have projected that they are making a mistake?
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