bud8andbills Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 I remember Craig Nall a few seasons back in a pre-season game. If he had a #4 jersey on, know one would have known. He is my #1 sleeper who isn't sleeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 And what if the collective trust of the Bills coaches, front office, and scouts decide that losman isn't it. Do you go along with that? 674122[/snapback] Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 In the process of transferring some of the early season games to DVD, I looked at the replays in 20/20 hindsight. My verdict - this was a much better team than 6-10. Even after Spikes was gone, the D played well enough to keep them in the game. 668713[/snapback] While my opinions are admittedly not based upon film review, I thought our defense was cover-your-eyes awful last season. It seemed that if a team decided to pass on us, then we couldn't stop the pass. If a team wanted to run us, well, we couldn't stop the run either. It seemed like the exact opposite of "pick your poison." I think no lead was safe with last year's defensive crew. If a team needed to run out the clock on us, that defense couldn't get off the field. If we need to hold a lead, we rarely could stop them. To me, its no surprise that a defensive-minded coach came in here and immediately used three draft picks on the defensive unit... JDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 While my opinions are admittedly not based upon film review, I thought our defense was cover-your-eyes awful last season. It seemed that if a team decided to pass on us, then we couldn't stop the pass. If a team wanted to run us, well, we couldn't stop the run either. It seemed like the exact opposite of "pick your poison." I think no lead was safe with last year's defensive crew. If a team needed to run out the clock on us, that defense couldn't get off the field. If we need to hold a lead, we rarely could stop them. To me, its no surprise that a defensive-minded coach came in here and immediately used three draft picks on the defensive unit... JDG 677175[/snapback] 1st and 2nd down they were overall OK. Whenever there was a third and forever, you just KNEW the other team would get it. I was more surprised whenever they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 hey Buftex - who are these JP-fanboys you speak of? Given what JP has accomplished so far (little) I must have missed that. You must not come around here much... ;-) What I (and I assume PTR and other of my ilk ) are saying is that that JP has been condemned by (IMO) a large number of Bills fans and outside "experts" which I cannot fathom based on my observation (40 years same as you) of first year QB's. One problem - JP Losman is a second-year QB. In fact, he got more playing time as a rookie as some highly drafted and healthy first-year QBs. Now, I admit I have not reviewed each of JP's games as some of you have and it is very possible I missed the consistent inaccuracy some posters have claimed, but I do recall little or no time to throw, no rungame to speak of, and playing from behind a lot. The problem of course, is that Kelly Holcomb went onto the field with the same exact players and the same exact coaches and was twice as good as him.... Kelly Holcomb! JDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 The JP winning the QB competition is really a foolish kind of thing, and one of the reasons I don't have huge trust in Marv and Jauron. The ONLY, ONLY, ONLY way to have any reasonable idea on whether or not JP Losman is the franchise quarterback for the Bills is to put him under center in the regular season games and let him play for awhile. The only way. Only way. Is there another way? No. 672783[/snapback] Yes. Unless, of course, you wish to argue that the jury is still out on the likes of Cade McNown and David Klingler.... JDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Yes. Unless, of course, you wish to argue that the jury is still out on the likes of Cade McNown and David Klingler.... JDG 677195[/snapback] No. McNown and klinger played in a bunch of games and proved to be terrible. Not the case with Losman at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 No. McNown and klinger played in a bunch of games and proved to be terrible. Not the case with Losman at all. 677199[/snapback] Well, Losman is over half-way to matching McNown's career starts total. I'll admit that Losman is less than half-way to matching Klingler's start total, but Losman is also only a game or two behind matching Andre Ware. So, the question is - was Andre Ware improperly judged? JDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozer Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 JP with the new speed recievers could be the key. He can throw the long ball very well, and with 4 quick fast recievers one should get open and stetch the D. With 4 corners in on coverage and 2 safties deep...that will leave Willis with 6 men in the box and automatic holes to run through. Draws....quick hits.....screens.....and bombs. Keep the D honest with the deep ball theat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 JP with the new speed recievers could be the key. He can throw the long ball very well, and with 4 quick fast recievers one should get open and stetch the D. With 4 corners in on coverage and 2 safties deep...that will leave Willis with 6 men in the box and automatic holes to run through. Draws....quick hits.....screens.....and bombs. Keep the D honest with the deep ball theat. 677252[/snapback] If Losman played all 16 games you could evaluate him. Otherwise you can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 The great things about JP is that he has the urge to want to develop into a good qb. He studies film and does his best to work with the coaches and learn the plays. Also he seem like a very nice guy. I like that. I hope he stays here for 2 more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 I know that I will never be able to convince the non JPL believers on this....but I just find it hard to beleive that he could show flases of brilliance in what was in essence his FIRST year because of the leg injury and instead they choose to focus on rookie mistakes as being a sign of a bust.... Rookie-inexperienced players are SUPPOSED to make rookie mistakes....but the potential is shown in the spurts of brilliance (3 touchdowns in a quarter?) The plan for last year was convoluted....the defense was supposed to be rock solid and allow us to pound the ball and take the pressure off of a young QB.....that plan was thrown in the fire place when that did not happen..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Losman is a poor man's Michael Vick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Losman is a poor man's Michael Vick. 678422[/snapback] Does that make Holcomb's Arm a poor man's Spiked Lemonade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Does that make Holcomb's Arm a poor man's Spiked Lemonade? 678425[/snapback] Very funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Very funny. 678459[/snapback] I apologize. It was too good to pass up. You know, like trading down in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 I apologize. It was too good to pass up. You know, like trading down in the draft. 678486[/snapback] Ah, you touched on a raw nerve with that reference to trading down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 I know that I will never be able to convince the non JPL believers on this....but I just find it hard to beleive that he could show flases of brilliance in what was in essence his FIRST year because of the leg injury and instead they choose to focus on rookie mistakes as being a sign of a bust.... Rookie-inexperienced players are SUPPOSED to make rookie mistakes....but the potential is shown in the spurts of brilliance (3 touchdowns in a quarter?) The plan for last year was convoluted....the defense was supposed to be rock solid and allow us to pound the ball and take the pressure off of a young QB.....that plan was thrown in the fire place when that did not happen..... 677334[/snapback] Great theory John. The only problem is - JP Losman WAS NOT A ROOKIE! In fact, JP Losman threw more passes as a rookie than either Carson Palmer or Daunte Culpepper. He also had more game appearances than Drew Brees. The truth of the matter is that JP Losman was a second-year player, and his performance last year is particularly disconcerting for that reason. JDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Great theory John. The only problem is - JP Losman WAS NOT A ROOKIE! In fact, JP Losman threw more passes as a rookie than either Carson Palmer or Daunte Culpepper. He also had more game appearances than Drew Brees. The truth of the matter is that JP Losman was a second-year player, and his performance last year is particularly disconcerting for that reason. JDG 678770[/snapback] So, if I understand you correctly, Eli Manning is a bust? Then so would Troy Aikman, Payton Manning be considered busts? All three had just as bad first 7 games as JP has had. JP was in his second year, but he was basicly a rookie. He did not get to play much due to his injury. On that team, with that play calling, not to many second year QB's with less than a dozen starts would have done better. Give him a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finknottle Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 So, if I understand you correctly, Eli Manning is a bust? Then so would Troy Aikman, Payton Manning be considered busts? All three had just as bad first 7 games as JP has had. JP was in his second year, but he was basicly a rookie. He did not get to play much due to his injury. On that team, with that play calling, not to many second year QB's with less than a dozen starts would have done better. Give him a chance. 678778[/snapback] He had a year on the team studying the system, film, and game plans; some suiting up, and even some limited action. This was followed by an entire off-season in which he prepared as the number man guy and with #1 reps. No, he was *not* basically a rookie. A rookie doesn't have that kind of preparation. I'm not writing JP off, but I'm getting very nervous about the apologies for him, because under their arguments you can never really get closure on a guy. It's just possible that a coach can watch a player and see things that we fans don't, especially if - God forbid - he watches him in practice. If you believe half the posters on this board, coaches can't evaluate anybody untill they've seen them in at least 20 games! This is particularly ironic on draft weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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