junior Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 Please vote only if you know what you're talking about
Beerball Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 I haven't a clue... 665981[/snapback] You aint the only one. I would google, but I feel that would be cheating. Perhaps they are barely legal pron stars?
Beerball Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 Soda jerks at a Baskin-Robbins? 665993[/snapback] Is junior12thman92 really monkeyboy reincarnated?
junior Posted April 20, 2006 Author Posted April 20, 2006 Is junior12thman92 really monkeyboy reincarnated? 665995[/snapback] No I thought someone would know something about 2 safeties in the NFL draft, and which one would be better here in Buffalo, apparentley not
stuckincincy Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 No I thought someone would know something about 2 safeties in the NFL draft, and which one would be better here in Buffalo, apparentley not 666002[/snapback] Charming.
junior Posted April 20, 2006 Author Posted April 20, 2006 Charming. 666008[/snapback] I'm just trying to figure out who is better to fit our system. Thats it
Talonz Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 No I thought someone would know something about 2 safeties in the NFL draft, and which one would be better here in Buffalo, apparentley not 666002[/snapback] WELCOME to TBD.... I guess
MDH Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 Please vote only if you know what you're talking about 665965[/snapback] I voted and I don't have a clue what I'm talking about. I think this is an appropriate spot to use the smilie for the first time.
Fixxxer Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 Roman Harper S Alabama Height: 6-1 Weight: 200 40-Time: 4.60 Strengths: Smart and possesses great instincts...A leader who is like an extra coach on the field...Tough and very physical...Supports the run well...A playmaker who is always around the ball...Has a lot of experience...Versatile and has played both free and strong safety...Intangibles are off the charts and coaches are sure to love him...Consistent and you know what you will get from him each and every week. Weaknesses: Lacks outstanding measurables in terms of size, speed and athleticism...Is only average in coverage...Lacks fluid hips and doesn't have great range...Doesn't have the physical tools to recover from mistakes...Lacks explosiveness and won't make the spectacular play...Stock may have been elevated by his college press clippings...Won't get much better and doesn't have a lot of upside. Notes: The type who does everything well but nothing great...Makes everyone around him better...May not be the biggest or fastest guy out there but he is a true football player...Every good team has a player like this on their squad. Roman Harper Class 2006 Height 511.6 Weight 194 Speed 4.54 (Unofficial) Position S Roman Harper is the leader of an outstanding Crimson Tide secondary. He makes sure everyone is in position and rarely finds himself out of position. After showing he could excel as a run supporter with more than 100 tackles as a sophomore strong safety, he moved back to free safety as a junior and showed some skills against the receivers, intercepting two balls and breaking up another half dozen passes. He still had an impressive seven tackles for loss from the FS position. In 2005, he played spectacularly for one of the best defenses in the NCAA. He finished second on the team in tackles and had 6.5 behind the line. Harper has emerged as one of the top safety prospects for the 2006 NFL Draft. He might not be as flashy as some of the other players, or have as much name recognition, but he is as complete as they come. He is a very physical safety who excels in run support. He has good size and the frame to add some more muscle without sacrificing speed or quickness. He also has long arms for his height which help him get fingers on some of those passes. Harper looks to be a free safety prospect, although a team might be able to move up to strong safety as his pass coverage is nowhere near as good as his run stopping and tackling ability. He'll be late first-day selection in the 2006 NFL Draft.
Fixxxer Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 Pat Watkins S Florida State Height: 6-4 Weight: 200 40-Time: 4.50 Strengths: Has tremendous size with long arms and the frame to add more weight...Is a very good athlete...Mobile and has excellent range to make plays sideline-to-sideline...Smart and a leader on the field...Great leaper who knows how to go up and get the ball...Will support the run...Still has some upside and potential. Weaknesses: Must hit the weight room and get stronger...Needs to bulk up...Not overly physical or explosive despite his size...Inconsistent...Struggles a bit and gets turned in man coverage...Has some minor durability concerns...A bit of an underachiever who didn't always play up to his ability...Only two years of starting experience. Notes: Top recruit coming out of high school...Could be chosen earlier than he should based on workouts...From a physical standpoint he would seem to have all the tools you look for and is exactly what the pros are looking for in a safety today. Pat Watkins S 6'4 200 Florida St. By: Robert Davis Pat Watkins was one of the best high school recruits in the country in 2002, and after playing a reserve role as a freshman, he began living up to the hype as a sophomore. In 2003, Watkins finished the year with 62 tackles and three interceptions. His numbers were almost identical as a junior, when he racked up 56 tackles and four interceptions. Again as a senior, the numbers were similar, as he posted a career high 67 tackles to go with three interceptions. Watkins is the ideal free safety from a physical standpoint. He has excellent height, athleticism, and quickness. He shows the quickness to break on the ball and the speed to chase down from behind. Watkins is also very tough, and willing to attack the line of scrimmage in run support. He is quick to diagnose the play and is aggressive in run support or going after the ball while it is in the air. The only flaw physically with Watkins is his lack of bulk. He is lanky and will need to get stronger to play in the NFL. More physical wide receivers will be able to outmuscle him for the ball, and when asked to help in run support, he can be taken out of plays. While he was very good in college, he never seemed to take the next step up and dominate like his talent suggests he can. Watkins is one of the better free safety prospects in the draft because of his talent and the untapped potential he still has. There are a few underclassmen that could push Watkins down the safety board a bit, but he is a fine talent no matter who is in the draft. There is a very good possibility he hears his name called in the third round somewhere. If he goes any lower than that, he has the ability to be a major steal for whoever drafts him. Pat Watkins S Florida State Class 2006 Height 604.3 Weight 205 Speed 4.50 (Unofficial) Position S Stats 2005: 67 tackles, 1 TFL, 3 interceptions, 5 pass breakups, 1 forced fumble 2004: 56 tackles, 4 TFL, 4 interceptions, 10 pass breakups, 2 forced fumbles Pat Watkins is a lanky safety that has a body perfectly suited for today's super receivers. At 6'4" the first thing you notice about Watkins is his tremendous size and then when you see how fast he can run and move you start to see NFL scouts drool. Watkins is a tremendous force in the passing game with his body and athletic ability as well as his ability to read a QB and put himself in position to make a play. Can stick with pretty much any receiver in college football which is rare for a safety. He does have some difficulty with smurf type receivers but deals with them much better than any safety with his size. Not a huge threat in the run game but is suitable. He is the perfect compliment to a Rodney Harrison type safety. NFL teams will probably want him to play around 215 and he can easily get to that weight by draft time. Due to his ability to excel in the passing game he will most likely play free safety in the NFL and should be one of the first safeties off the board in the 2006 NFL Draft.
The Jokeman Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 I voted Harper as he has more polish but if going for potential and overall ability you'd have to go with Watkins. Here are some other reports that not seen posted: Pat Watkins/S/FSU Height: 6'4" Weight: 215 40 Time: 4.42 Vertical Jump: 41" Bench Press: 14 reps Interested Teams: Buffalo Bills, Cincinnati Bengals, Dallas Cowboys, Green Bay Packers, Houston Texans, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars, New York Giants, Oakland Raiders Projected Round: 2nd-3rd Strengths: A highly acclaimed high school recruit, Pat Watkins never fully met the expectations of coaches and fans. Throughout a career marred by inconsistency, Watkins' talent always shone through, even if the production never matched. An extremely tall, rangey safety with top notch athleticism, Watkins has the ability to make the extraordinary play both against the run and especially the pass. Watkins excels at using his tremendous wingspan and leaping up to snag the ball at it's highest point. Has great ball skills. Watkins has also shown the ability to deliver the occasional big hit, although not as often as you would expect from a player of his size. His athleticism is what makes him so special, especially when you couple that with his great size, frame to add even more weight, and range. His ability to occasionally make the great play shows that Watkins still has top notch potential and that any team that selects him is getting a guy who was looked at as a true leader on defense with the Seminoles. Weaknesses: Despite being so tall, Watkins is still a bit thin. His tackling skills and fundamentals still leave a lot to be desired and he will probably be required to do more in coverage at the next level, rather than having him in the box at the Line of Scrimmage. With this said, Watkins technique in coverage is still overall lacking as well. He can quite often get caught out of position and lose sight of the ball in midair. His backpedal could also use work, as it's still a bit sluggish and doesn't give him ideal range of motion. He can be beat deep. What also hurts Watkins is that he never played consistently to the level he was capable of playing. While he quite frankly made the big play, he would also at times dissapear completely and at times he was actually a liability for the Florida State defense, despite being looked to as a leader. Watkins' instincts are also lacking and he must improve his film study habits in order to get a better feel for opposing offenses. Overall: It's rare to find a safety with the physical talent and measurables that Watkins possesses. He's got a great size/speed ratio and still has the type of body that will allow him to get up to 230 pounds or so without losing much of his blistering 4.42 speed. Despite never fully reaching his potential and expectations at FSU, Watkins still produced the occasional big play and his workouts will definitely leave a positive impression with scouts and GM's around the league. Watkins is a player that still has tremendous upside and could easily turn into a Pro Bowl caliber safety with proper coaching and motivation. Reminds you of: Michael Boulware, Seattle Seahawks Roman Harper/S/Alabama Height: 5'11" Weight: 198 40 Time: 4.48 Vertical Jump: 34" Bench Press: 19 reps DOB: 12/11/1982 Interested Teams: Buffalo Bills, Minnesota Vikings, New England Patriots, New Orleans Saints, New York Jets, Philadelphia Eagles, San Francisco 49ers, Seattle Seahawks, St. Louis Rams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Tennessee Titans, Washington Redskins Projected Round: 3rd-4th Strengths: Harper is an experienced player who was also very productive during his stint with Bama. Piling up 302 tackles (including 114 as a sophomore and 9 for loss as a senior) and 5 interceptions (3 in his junior season), Harper has been known to have his name printed in the papers. Many SEC fans (and Tennessee fans in their nightmares) will recall his game-saving hit and subsequent forced fumble in this year's rivalry game with the Volunteers that helped the Tide stay undefeated. Harper is very instinctive and looks natural in the defensive backfield with a high "football IQ." SEC receivers and running backs will testify to his hard-hitting style...he is a sure tackler in the open field as well. Weaknesses: As is the case with many of the Alabama defensive players in this draft, Harper lacks the outstanding athletic ability of say a Troy Polamalu. A major knock on him is the fact that he is not one of the better cover safeties amongst the NFL hopefuls, which many teams look for rather than a more one-dimensional safety. Bama fans may have seen the best of Harper during his career there and could quite possibly have reached his potential. Overall: As a member of the hard-nosed Tide defense, Harper certainly made a name for himself against Tennessee which may have raised his stock a bit actually. He can play both safety positions and is a good leader on the field in addition to his physical play. With his work ethic and football smarts, Harper can certainly find his niche in the pros as a backup safety and special teams player, or even as a situational player (an extra defensive back on run plays due to his excellence against it). It wouldn't be a shock if he gets picked in the first day, but may slip to early day two. Reminds you of: Marquand Manuel, Green Bay Packers Courtesy of NFL Draft Almanac.com
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