oregonmark Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 Here is a link to an article from the Eugene Register-Guard on Ngata. I watched this guy play every home game. he is a stud. I hope we don't pass on him. http://www.registerguard.com/news/2006/04/...ection=oregonfb
cantankerous Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 Another Bills fan from Oregon? That brings the total to 5 then...I think. I'll be happy with Ngata at #8. He's a freak of nature.
Tipster19 Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 After reading this article, I'm convinced that this is Marv's type of player/person. I won't be surprised or disappointed if we select him with the #8 pick overall.
BillnutinHouston Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 After reading this article, I'm convinced that this is Marv's type of player/person. I won't be surprised or disappointed if we select him with the #8 pick overall. 661718[/snapback] This article does nothing to convince me. All it says is that he's sad his mom died, so he's burying himself in training and preoccupation with the draft to ease his mind. Oh, and he's gonna assist but not support his family financially.
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 This article does nothing to convince me. All it says is that he's sad his mom died, so he's burying himself in training and preoccupation with the draft to ease his mind. Oh, and he's gonna assist but not support his family financially. 661743[/snapback] pretty much... oh and he's named after his uncle
stinky finger Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 Nice article. I'll pass just the same, thanks.
Ozymandius Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 Nobody ever said this guy wasn't a polite young man. If you guys want to see something scary, read old articles about how polite, personable, and mature Mike Williams came off to be before he was drafted. MW was the "star" of that draft.
colin Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 if he reacts to a huge chunk of adversity like his mom dying by working harder and being focussed, he might just be the anti mike williams. i am worried he is a giant fatbody, but pat williams and ted washington had similiar knocks against them and they gave the bills a run of some of the best DTs an NFL team has seen.
John from Riverside Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 BINGO... Ngata is the ANTI Mike Williams.... When he lost his parents he looked inside himself and became stronger for it. I was actually leaning away from this kid but after reading this article I think he should be our first pick.... - understand the meaning of work - has mental toughness - fills a definate need on our team - we can trade down a little bit and STILL get him
Ghost of BiB Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 I've long since given up on who is cynical here and who isn't.
nonprophet Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 Here is a link to an article from the Eugene Register-Guard on Ngata. I watched this guy play every home game. he is a stud. I hope we don't pass on him. http://www.registerguard.com/news/2006/04/...ection=oregonfb 661715[/snapback] If we draft him, we'll have two Mormon defensive linemen. Powerful.
cantankerous Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 You've probably never seen him play if you think he's just a fat ass...He's much more than that, and if you don't know then please don't comment.
Tasker Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 Nice story, but I feel very sure of one thing: when we look back at the players who were available at #8 in this draft two, three, or four years from now, we will not consider Ngata the best of them. I'm not confident of his ability or work ethic or devotion to football. I don't see a lot of talk about football, high energy, excitement, and the times I've seen him personally he hasn't seemed to do much other than be big. Big is good, but not enough. If we pick him, I will change my tune and become a big Ngata fan, because I'm an optimist and loyal fan (other than Holcomb), but I really hope he isn't our pick right now.
SoCal Pat Posted April 15, 2006 Posted April 15, 2006 If we draft him, we'll have two Mormon defensive linemen. Powerful. 662418[/snapback] We might have three. Lauvale Sape went to Utah, and he's Polynesian. That's a combo that screams he's Mormon, although I don't know for sure if he is or not.
Mark VI Posted April 15, 2006 Posted April 15, 2006 He's a freak of nature. 661716[/snapback] I'll notify Barnum & Bailey. The bearded lady has eczema.
PortlandBillsFan Posted April 15, 2006 Posted April 15, 2006 I agree with cantankerous. The reports are painting this guy as an overweight stiff. If you haven't seen him play much before, of course this is what you will believe. Believe me, Haloti is anything but another Mike Williams. He plays through nagging injuries and contrary to popular belief, he doesn't take plays off. Also, he isn't just a run stuffer. Even though his sack totals aren't that high, he collapses the pocket if left one on one and is great at batting down passes at the line. Nobody should be disappointed if Haloti is our pick.
Ozymandius Posted April 15, 2006 Posted April 15, 2006 I've seen him play and he takes plays off. Especially when he's double teamed, he thinks he's done his job already and stops working. I saw a bad Arizona team just run straight down the gut on Oregon over and over again. He may play through nagging injuries but he receives those nagging injuries a lot, which slows him down. Yes, folks, he's a injury risk. He was even forced to leave the final game of his college career due to spraining his knee. Speaking of knees, he tore an ACL a couple years ago. He's a very good talent but I don't he's going to step right in and dominate for the team that drafted him high in the first round, after receiving all those millions. Think Ted Washington on this. We want to be the team that signs him four or five years from now, not the team that drafted him originally.
Phlegm Alley Posted April 15, 2006 Posted April 15, 2006 Ngata may fill a need of ours and he may be a pretty decent DT. I however, cant justify paying him #8 money when he will probably won't play 3rd downs and isn't really a "playmaker". He may be worth it if we can trade down a few slots and hope that he is still there but, I would rather get the best football player available who can be a "playmaker" with the #8.
Ozymandius Posted April 15, 2006 Posted April 15, 2006 Let's just do a quick review of what we know: - Ourlads, arguably the most respected indepedent draft service out there, pretty much predicts this guy will be a bust. http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=44966 - He has a history of nagging injuries, including a rebuilt knee - He has a history of taking plays off - He has a history of wearing down in games, which may be related to the taking plays off - His position, DT, has a history of notable top 10 busts. Sure, there are other positions with this history as well, but DT is among them. (OT, for example, does not have this history, with only Mike Williams being a proven out and out bust over the past 15 years as a top 10 pick. Gallery could be #2). - He has good talent but he also has a body type that can take years to start to dominate (probably due to effort), and usually for a different team. Ted Washington was this way. Sam Adams. Grady Jackson. (Shaun Rogers is an exception, as he's been dominant with the Lions, but Rogers was upset that he slipped to a second rounder and played with a chip on his soldier. We're talking about giving this body type instant millions as the #8 overall pick). I think I would love Haloti Ngata if we signed him as a free agent four or five years from now. - The Bills are employing Cover 2, which means there will be a defensive line rotation, which means he'll play a little over half the defensive snaps, especially with his endurance issues. This limits his value to any Cover 2 team that uses a defensive line rotation. IMO, drafting Haloti Ngata at #8 overall is a huge risk, a huge reach, and not getting value for that pick.
Dibs Posted April 15, 2006 Posted April 15, 2006 Let's just do a quick review of what we know:- Ourlads, arguably the most respected indepedent draft service out there, pretty much predicts this guy will be a bust. http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=44966 - He has a history of nagging injuries, including a rebuilt knee - He has a history of taking plays off - He has a history of wearing down in games, which may be related to the taking plays off - His position, DT, has a history of notable top 10 busts. Sure, there are other positions with this history as well, but DT is among them. (OT, for example, does not have this history, with only Mike Williams being a proven out and out bust over the past 15 years as a top 10 pick. Gallery could be #2). - He has good talent but he also has a body type that can take years to start to dominate (probably due to effort), and usually for a different team. Ted Washington was this way. Sam Adams. Grady Jackson. (Shaun Rogers is an exception, as he's been dominant with the Lions, but Rogers was upset that he slipped to a second rounder and played with a chip on his soldier. We're talking about giving this body type instant millions as the #8 overall pick). I think I would love Haloti Ngata if we signed him as a free agent four or five years from now. - The Bills are employing Cover 2, which means there will be a defensive line rotation, which means he'll play a little over half the defensive snaps, especially with his endurance issues. This limits his value to any Cover 2 team that uses a defensive line rotation. IMO, drafting Haloti Ngata at #8 overall is a huge risk, a huge reach, and not getting value for that pick. 662655[/snapback] Good Post!
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