Tipster19 Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 I, just many of you, have poured over this draft. Do we take Huff because he will be the safest, best available player that can fill a possible need for us? Or, how about Ngata vs Bunkley? Which one can be a better fit for our system? Should we draft TE Vernon Davis, a stud luxury pick? Oh, we better not do that! Please, please let Ferguson fall to us. Forget it. Forget all of it. How many times are we going to draft WRs, DTs, and DEs? We even took a shot at a QB in the 1st rd. When was the last time we did that? No, I want the best available athlete. Period. The cream will rise to the top. Isn't that what we want? We have drafted for need way too many times now. Where has that gotten us? Let the coaches coach, the players play and the competition compete. I'd much rather have a stud TE, who could play right away, than a pretty good DT. Wouldn't you want the best S vs a QB who might take a year or two to possibly be ready to play? We got PLENTY of quality picks at our disposal. Let's see if we got a decent scouting department. Our coach hasn't even coached a game for us yet. I think Jauron just might be for real. If he isn't, then I don't think that it will matter too much on who we pick. I have had enough of hoping for this guy or that guy. All I want now is quality and speed, forget this need crap. What we need is is a play-off game. I hope that this is more reader friendly. Now can we get back to the post and talk about some football? Thanks.
sfladave Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 I, just many of you, have poured over this draft. Do we take Huff because he will be the safest, best available player that can fill a possible need for us? Or, how about Ngata vs Bunkley? Which one can be a better fit for our system? Should we draft TE Vernon Davis, a stud luxury pick? Oh, we better not do that! Please, please let Ferguson fall to us. Forget it. Forget all of it. How many times are we going to draft WRs, DTs, and DEs? We even took a shot at a QB in the 1st rd. When was the last time we did that? No, I want the best available athlete. Period. The cream will rise to the top. Isn't that what we want? We have drafted for need way too many times now. Where has that gotten us? Let the coaches coach, the players play and the competition compete. I'd much rather have a stud TE, who could play right away, than a pretty good DT. Wouldn't you want the best S vs a QB who might take a year or two to possibly be ready to play? We got PLENTY of quality picks at our disposal. Let's see if we got a decent scouting department. Our coach hasn't even coached a game for us yet. I think Jauron just might be for real. If he isn't, then I don't think that it will matter too much on who we pick. I have had enough of hoping for this guy or that guy. All I want now is quality and speed, forget this need crap. What we need is is a play-off game. 660621[/snapback] It would have been easier to read this way. I, just many of you, have poured over this draft. Do we take Huff because he will be the safest, best available player that can fill a possible need for us? Or, how about Ngata vs Bunkley? Which one can be a better fit for our system? Sho uld we draft TE Vernon Davis, a stud luxury pick? Oh, we better not do that! Please, please let Ferguson fall to us. Forget it. Forget all of it. How many times are we going to draft WRs, DTs, and DEs? We even took a shot at a QB in the 1st rd. When was the last time we did that? No, I want the best availa ble athlete. Period. The cream will rise to the top. Isn't that what we want? We have drafted for need way too many times now. Where has that gotten us? Let the coaches coach, the players play and the competition compete. I'd much rather have a stud TE, who could play right away, than a pretty good DT. Wouldn't you want the best S vs a QB who might take a year or two to possibly be ready to play? We got PLENTY of quality picks at our disposal. Let's see if we got a decent scouting department. Our coach hasn't even coached a game for us yet. I think Jauron just might be for real. If he isn't, then I don't th ink that it will matter too much on who we pick. I have had enough of hoping for this guy or that guy. All I want now is quality and speed, forget this need crap. What we need is is a play-off game.
ndirish1978 Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 I mean that's ideal .The problem is that it leaves us starting scrubs and creating depth at other positions. 3 6s play better than a 10 and 2 4s just because you create huge gaps on the field. I wish we could just draft the best players available. Honestly, this draft is deep enough at OL and DL that we could just take the best player available and still fill our holes.
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 It would have been easier to read this way. I, just many of you, have poured over this draft. Do we take Huff because he will be the safest, best available player that can fill a possible need for us? Or, how about Ngata vs Bunkley? Which one can be a better fit for our system? Sho uld we draft TE Vernon Davis, a stud luxury pick? Oh, we better not do that! Please, please let Ferguson fall to us. Forget it. Forget all of it. How many times are we going to draft WRs, DTs, and DEs? We even took a shot at a QB in the 1st rd. When was the last time we did that? No, I want the best availa ble athlete. Period. The cream will rise to the top. Isn't that what we want? We have drafted for need way too many times now. Where has that gotten us? Let the coaches coach, the players play and the competition compete. I'd much rather have a stud TE, who could play right away, than a pretty good DT. Wouldn't you want the best S vs a QB who might take a year or two to possibly be ready to play? We got PLENTY of quality picks at our disposal. Let's see if we got a decent scouting department. Our coach hasn't even coached a game for us yet. I think Jauron just might be for real. If he isn't, then I don't th ink that it will matter too much on who we pick. I have had enough of hoping for this guy or that guy. All I want now is quality and speed, forget this need crap. What we need is is a play-off game. 660655[/snapback] If you're gonna split someone eles post into paragraphs at least start a new paragraph with the beginning of a sentence and not half of a previous word just saying......
Tasker Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 You said best Athlete. That is not what we want. We wantto draft the best football player, and that is an important difference. Davis is a better athlete than Hawk, but Hawk is regarded as a better football player. And don't fall in love with the "needs" argument, they don't win super bowls, and if you aren't going to try to do that, what's the point? We need to keep drafting the best football players year after year, and use free agency to fill holes. If that doesn't work this year because there aren't good DTs or whatever available, it isn't the end of the world. Our team + Ngata is not going to be that different then our team + Huff or our team + Davis in 2006, and we need to look beyond 2006 when drafting. By next offseason our needs and our free agent options will be different, and we will feel dumb if we got an inferior player in the draft because the superior player didn't play the right position of the moment. If we can find a way through smart picks or trading down to focus on our lines when we take the best football players I will be very happy, but only if the players available at each pick make that make sense.
Guest dog14787 Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 I, just many of you, have poured over this draft. Do we take Huff because he will be the safest, best available player that can fill a possible need for us? Or, how about Ngata vs Bunkley? Which one can be a better fit for our system? Should we draft TE Vernon Davis, a stud luxury pick? Oh, we better not do that! Please, please let Ferguson fall to us. Forget it. Forget all of it. How many times are we going to draft WRs, DTs, and DEs? We even took a shot at a QB in the 1st rd. When was the last time we did that? No, I want the best available athlete. Period. The cream will rise to the top. Isn't that what we want? We have drafted for need way too many times now. Where has that gotten us? Let the coaches coach, the players play and the competition compete. I'd much rather have a stud TE, who could play right away, than a pretty good DT. Wouldn't you want the best S vs a QB who might take a year or two to possibly be ready to play? We got PLENTY of quality picks at our disposal. Let's see if we got a decent scouting department. Our coach hasn't even coached a game for us yet. I think Jauron just might be for real. If he isn't, then I don't think that it will matter too much on who we pick. I have had enough of hoping for this guy or that guy. All I want now is quality and speed, forget this need crap. What we need is is a play-off game. 660621[/snapback] Dog-on-it , Your right!!! someone should keep whispering in Levy's ear, " vernon davis, vernon davis, vernon davis. Although I'm not sure I would call it a luxary pick, WE NEED A GOOD TE BADLY!!! Tipster you need to give Levy the tip, vernon davis, vernon davis, vernon davis!!! p.s. Just ask Vick
Pyrite Gal Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 You need two feet to walk, and it seems less than smart to shoot off one of our feet by either totally forgetting about our needs or totally forgetting about taing the best player available. It is by far the easier or more simplistic course of action to totally forget about one approach or the other, but I am a pretty consistent advocate of the Bills doing the smart thing and striking an appropriate balance between these two approaches. Its harder to do right and more complicated than being a fanatic about choosing one approach or the other, but by far strikes me as the intelligent thing to do. What does this mean in real life? It means that depending on who is on the board when the Bills pick a player may so clearly be the BAP overall or at his position that even though that position is not a need for this team, you take him. Alternately, an available player may clearly be the BAP of all the available choices or at his position, but the Bills should choose to pass on this player because every player except one good one is gone at a position of need, or a good player at this BAP's position is available later in the draft or as a UDFA. My thoughts on the BAP by positions are: QB- Leinart, Young or some sat Cutler but I think this is draft hype seem to be among the BPA at the position, but none of these players are so head and shoulders above the norm or the rest that any of them justify the added cost for picking one of them that will come from it forcing us to cut a QB under contract that we will owe accelerated bonus on for the cut. RB- Bush is the obvious BPA at this position, but he is not so good that he justifies a pick for us at a position where we need a back-up but are both contractually and player performance set for a starter. FB- No stud BPA here OT- D'Brick is the stud here, but gives no appearance of being the next Boselli or even Pace or Ogden. Recent pro-day performance by Justice places another reasonable top 10 pick OT possibility here. TE- Davis has produced combine workout numbers where there is a case to be made for him potentially becoming one of the best TE's ever. However, lack of best ever production on the field as a TE raises the potential that being a workout warrior is all he may be. He could be a stud, but it is a risk and given that we have acquired wanted starter for the Deadskins blocking specialist Royal and we are sitting with two 3rd round TEs on the roster both coming off injuries makes this BPA at the position and maybe even in the draft not worth the risk for us. WR- Chad Jackson appears to be the lead of weak WR draft crew at a position where our #2 is still uncertain but we are loaded with pedestriam talents behind Evans and someone needs to step up. DE- Mario Williams is a stud who will not drop to #8 anyway. DT- Either Bunkley or Ngota is a reasonble #8 choice, The Bills should pick the one they look in the eye and feel can do the job and these two are close enough that our fan opinions between the two without the input of looking them in the eye is pretty worthless. LB- Hawk is clearly the class pick here. The fact he looks so good makes it rational to want him at BPA, but the fact we are well over-loaded at LB with us likely having to cut a former credible Bills starter here and we still are loaded at LB even wiithout Hawk makes picking him a choice that sets back development of this team for a year. It does not matter because if he is really that good he will be long gone by the time #8 rolls around. If one also gives up resources to trade up for him then picking him gets us a great player but sets back development of this team by more than a year. SS- Huff looks like the quality pick here but it is rate safeties take down the level of money slotted at #8 and there are likely comparable talents at SS available later in this deep draft. FS- Huff is probably the best FS as well, but we are loaded at this spot. CB- A bunch of closely matched players means no consus BPA here.
sfladave Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 If you're gonna split someone eles post into paragraphs at least start a new paragraph with the beginning of a sentence and not half of a previous word just saying...... 660682[/snapback] I meant to do that. Why on earth would I spend more than 5 seconds making that point?
Chilly Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 I, just many of you, have poured over this draft. Do we take Huff because he will be the safest, best available player that can fill a possible need for us? Or, how about Ngata vs Bunkley? Which one can be a better fit for our system? Should we draft TE Vernon Davis, a stud luxury pick? Oh, we better not do that! Please, please let Ferguson fall to us. Forget it. Forget all of it. How many times are we going to draft WRs, DTs, and DEs? We even took a shot at a QB in the 1st rd. When was the last time we did that? No, I want the best available athlete. Period. The cream will rise to the top. Isn't that what we want? We have drafted for need way too many times now. Where has that gotten us? Let the coaches coach, the players play and the competition compete. I'd much rather have a stud TE, who could play right away, than a pretty good DT. Wouldn't you want the best S vs a QB who might take a year or two to possibly be ready to play? We got PLENTY of quality picks at our disposal. Let's see if we got a decent scouting department. Our coach hasn't even coached a game for us yet. I think Jauron just might be for real. If he isn't, then I don't think that it will matter too much on who we pick. I have had enough of hoping for this guy or that guy. All I want now is quality and speed, forget this need crap. What we need is is a play-off game. 660621[/snapback] You want the best player to build around? The best player in hte draft? Its Vince Young.
obie_wan Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 LB- Hawk is clearly the class pick here. The fact he looks so good makes it rational to want him at BPA, but the fact we are well over-loaded at LB with us likely having to cut a former credible Bills starter here and we still are loaded at LB even wiithout Hawk makes picking him a choice that sets back development of this team for a year. FS- Huff is probably the best FS as well, but we are loaded at this spot. 660698[/snapback] Your definition of "loaded" must be really convoluted if you think the the Bills are overloaded at talent at LB. Who are these super-quality players overflowing our roster? An injured Spikes, an quickly aging Fletcher, and an underperforming Posey with questionable backups behind them. If Hawk falls to the Bills, they would be hardpressed to pass on him in favor of the studs on our roster.
tennesseeboy Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 Best Athlete available? okay..let's draft Rusty Wallace or Tiger Woods.
Mark VI Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 Its Vince Young. 660730[/snapback] The Bills equipment mgr shot it down. He can't outfit him with you stuck to him 24/7.
apuszczalowski Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 You want the best player to build around?The best player in hte draft? Its Vince Young. 660730[/snapback] If he's the best player in the draft, why aren't the Texans all over him? Or the Saints? Or the Titans? Or the Jets? Or the Packers? Or the 49ers? Or the Raiders?
Guest BackInDaDay Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 We're so full of holes, anyone will be a welcome addition. I don't think the Bills want the obligation to pay a top 10 pick at this point in time, so why bother drafting a kid you're gonna have a problem signing on the cheap. Trade down, or trade out of the 1st round altogether. Sign a bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier talent using little or no signing bonuses. As long as they were the Bills uniforms, I'll be pulling for them.
a player to be named later Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 Didn't we just have 5 years of Best Player Available drafts!?
Tipster19 Posted April 13, 2006 Author Posted April 13, 2006 Let me clarify one thing. The quality that I'm hoping for first and foremost is speed, speed, speed ,speed, speed, speed speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, and oh, speed. You can't teach speed. If you have the fastest players then you coach the rest of the qualities.
BUFFALOTONE Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 You need two feet to walk, and it seems less than smart to shoot off one of our feet by either totally forgetting about our needs or totally forgetting about taing the best player available. It is by far the easier or more simplistic course of action to totally forget about one approach or the other, but I am a pretty consistent advocate of the Bills doing the smart thing and striking an appropriate balance between these two approaches. Its harder to do right and more complicated than being a fanatic about choosing one approach or the other, but by far strikes me as the intelligent thing to do. What does this mean in real life? It means that depending on who is on the board when the Bills pick a player may so clearly be the BAP overall or at his position that even though that position is not a need for this team, you take him. Alternately, an available player may clearly be the BAP of all the available choices or at his position, but the Bills should choose to pass on this player because every player except one good one is gone at a position of need, or a good player at this BAP's position is available later in the draft or as a UDFA. My thoughts on the BAP by positions are: QB- Leinart, Young or some sat Cutler but I think this is draft hype seem to be among the BPA at the position, but none of these players are so head and shoulders above the norm or the rest that any of them justify the added cost for picking one of them that will come from it forcing us to cut a QB under contract that we will owe accelerated bonus on for the cut. RB- Bush is the obvious BPA at this position, but he is not so good that he justifies a pick for us at a position where we need a back-up but are both contractually and player performance set for a starter. FB- No stud BPA here OT- D'Brick is the stud here, but gives no appearance of being the next Boselli or even Pace or Ogden. Recent pro-day performance by Justice places another reasonable top 10 pick OT possibility here. TE- Davis has produced combine workout numbers where there is a case to be made for him potentially becoming one of the best TE's ever. However, lack of best ever production on the field as a TE raises the potential that being a workout warrior is all he may be. He could be a stud, but it is a risk and given that we have acquired wanted starter for the Deadskins blocking specialist Royal and we are sitting with two 3rd round TEs on the roster both coming off injuries makes this BPA at the position and maybe even in the draft not worth the risk for us. WR- Chad Jackson appears to be the lead of weak WR draft crew at a position where our #2 is still uncertain but we are loaded with pedestriam talents behind Evans and someone needs to step up. DE- Mario Williams is a stud who will not drop to #8 anyway. DT- Either Bunkley or Ngota is a reasonble #8 choice, The Bills should pick the one they look in the eye and feel can do the job and these two are close enough that our fan opinions between the two without the input of looking them in the eye is pretty worthless. LB- Hawk is clearly the class pick here. The fact he looks so good makes it rational to want him at BPA, but the fact we are well over-loaded at LB with us likely having to cut a former credible Bills starter here and we still are loaded at LB even wiithout Hawk makes picking him a choice that sets back development of this team for a year. It does not matter because if he is really that good he will be long gone by the time #8 rolls around. If one also gives up resources to trade up for him then picking him gets us a great player but sets back development of this team by more than a year. SS- Huff looks like the quality pick here but it is rate safeties take down the level of money slotted at #8 and there are likely comparable talents at SS available later in this deep draft. FS- Huff is probably the best FS as well, but we are loaded at this spot. CB- A bunch of closely matched players means no consus BPA here. 660698[/snapback] When does the movie come out for this thing?
BUFFALOTONE Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 Let me clarify one thing. The quality that I'm hoping for first and foremost is speed, speed, speed ,speed, speed, speed speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, and oh, speed. You can't teach speed. If you have the fastest players then you coach the rest of the qualities. 660854[/snapback] Jimmy Johnson is that you.
Mark VI Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 Let me clarify one thing. The quality that I'm hoping for first and foremost is speed, speed, speed ,speed, speed, speed speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, and oh, speed. You can't teach speed. If you have the fastest players then you coach the rest of the qualities. 660854[/snapback] Buffalo selects Speedy Adderall, WR - Pace University
Scraps Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 I'm not sure what the big deal is. Almost every position on this team is a need. If you take the best player available, regardless of position, it is almost guaranteed to fill a need.
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