Tipster19 Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Based on us having the #8 pick overall in this year's draft, expect us to draft S Michael Huff. He fills one of our biggest needs and constitutes the value. A.J. Hawk is a very close second. The administration that we have now is not the flambouyant administration that we have had the past several years. Marv and Jauron will be looking to not only fulfill obvious and immediate needs but also to display their competency and abilities on establishing a solid framework for building a team. Some of the big names that we desire will be gone by the time we pick and the other ones we don't neccesary need as much as other positions of weakness. If this scenario holds true then expect us to draft a OT in the 2nd rd. The DT that we select will be in the 3rd rd. Outside of Huff, these other two positions/needs are great values. Although the OT and DT that we selected in these rounds would not be the top player at their positions they still would be, at least, in the top 5 of their positions. That would serve a greater value to a team that has numerous holes and weaknesses to fill. Our second 3rd rder just may very well be invested in the O-Line again, possibly guard. The 4th rd is where we would be looking to solidify other areas of the team. Would anybody be unhappy or in disagreement if the Bills were to execute a draft like this or would this be a good approach to rebuilding our team?
Max997 Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Some of the big names that we desire will be gone by the time we pick The Bills pick 8th not 28th...only 7 guys will be drafted before the Bills pick so there will still be plenty of big name players on the board I just dont see this team Drafting Huff, I like him and would like to see the Bills draft him but I just dont think they put a lot of stock in their Safety's playing in their cover 2 I still have yet to hear a good reason why this team should even consider AJ Hawk
Tipster19 Posted April 2, 2006 Author Posted April 2, 2006 Age to our LBers and potential health issue to Spikes. The big names that I'm referring to are Bush, Leinart, Williams and Ferguson. These names will be gone by the time we select. Young, Cutler and Davis are not are as big of a need for us like a S and maybe a LB would be.
alg Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 I still have yet to hear a good reason why this team should even consider AJ Hawk 649803[/snapback] Because he is one of the best linebackers to come out if the draft in quite some time? Would that do it for you? Plus what Tipster said... At number 8 I do NOT want to pick a guy because he plays a position we have a need at. That does not make him good. I wish people would realize this. You do not take a top guy at a position when a STAR is looking at you in another one. I will not say what or who that is. That is Marv and staff's job. Unless you guys are pro talent evaluaters I would just as soon put an end to the "we have to pick a - fill in the position - " nonsence.
Guest BackInDaDay Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 I've got a hunch Marv will trade out of the 1st round. It's just a hunch, but it fits into our lack of involvement with FA and Ralph's disapointment with the league's revenue sharing and CBA. It will anger many fans, but I don't think our owner is comfortable signing anymore big contracts and large bonuses. Marv's been entrusted with keeping the team competitive with the best bargain players available. Multiple picks in the 2nd to 4th round make more sense. I don't like it, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Guest dog14787 Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Based on us having the #8 pick overall in this year's draft, expect us to draft S Michael Huff. He fills one of our biggest needs and constitutes the value. A.J. Hawk is a very close second. The administration that we have now is not the flambouyant administration that we have had the past several years. Marv and Jauron will be looking to not only fulfill obvious and immediate needs but also to display their competency and abilities on establishing a solid framework for building a team. Some of the big names that we desire will be gone by the time we pick and the other ones we don't neccesary need as much as other positions of weakness. If this scenario holds true then expect us to draft a OT in the 2nd rd. The DT that we select will be in the 3rd rd. Outside of Huff, these other two positions/needs are great values. Although the OT and DT that we selected in these rounds would not be the top player at their positions they still would be, at least, in the top 5 of their positions. That would serve a greater value to a team that has numerous holes and weaknesses to fill. Our second 3rd rder just may very well be invested in the O-Line again, possibly guard. The 4th rd is where we would be looking to solidify other areas of the team. Would anybody be unhappy or in disagreement if the Bills were to execute a draft like this or would this be a good approach to rebuilding our team? 649800[/snapback] The approach looks very sound to me , considering Levys conservative nature , I would be inclined to believe the draft will go alot like you predict. O- Line is a very important factor. So is a run stopper . It would be nice if a good Tight End was in the picture. J.P. could sure use a big target (not that hes blind or anything lol) It just seems like something he Bills have been lacking since Remersima ( spelled wrong I know ) It will be interesting to see how close you are , my brother gave me an April Fools Joke Yesterday, Told me the Bills and Texans had traded positions in the first round and that Levy was going after Vince Young . I almost had a heart attack . I tried to Post the same thing on the Forum but the post only lasted about 10 minutes. it was going strong though lol . It would have been interesting to hear the feed back after a day . People would have been Posting " dog14787 WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE"
obie_wan Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 I've got a hunch Marv will trade out of the 1st round. It's just a hunch, but it fits into our lack of involvement with FA and Ralph's disapointment with the league's revenue sharing and CBA. It will anger many fans, but I don't think our owner is comfortable signing anymore big contracts and large bonuses. Marv's been entrusted with keeping the team competitive with the best bargain players available. Multiple picks in the 2nd to 4th round make more sense. I don't like it, but it wouldn't surprise me at all. 649807[/snapback] wrong Thr Bills need playmakers- but with Ralph's limnited budget -it's too expensive to buy them in FA. Theresfore, you must find playmekers in the draft - and that means you need talent Skippin the entire 1st round is not how you find playmakers.
Bill from NYC Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Would anybody be unhappy or in disagreement if the Bills were to execute a draft like this or would this be a good approach to rebuilding our team? 649800[/snapback] Yes, virtually the entire NFL Community. As you see, safeties are not selected in the top 10. Exceptions? Sure, Sean Taylor (awaiting disposition of his criminal case(s), and Roy Williams, good, but I don't know if he is playing up to the #8 slot. You see Tip Man, the Bills DTs OTs, OGs, and perhaps OCs are marked by weakness and lack of skill. Although you make it sound not so hard, big guys who are in shape and can block other humans are not so easy to find. Does Huff come with Sean Taylor credentials? I think absolutely not, but even if he did, a #8 safety is a reach and a luxury that only good teams can afford. When Pitt took Palamalu (sic?) at 16, look what they had in place in front of him. Look who they had blocking on the other side For the Bills to take a safety at #8 would be the equivalent of putting a nice new roof on a house with rotten wood and a crumbling foundation. It might not be the exact model of stupidity and futility that drafting Parrish with our first selection was, but it would certainly be a move in this category. Other than the above, I think that grabbing a safety at #8 is a wonderful idea.
ch19079 Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 a top 10 pick is not going to be a "need" player. it would be stupid to pass on a potential probowl player becaues you just signed a 10 year vet to a 2 year contract who happens to play the same position. in FA, teams try to fill out their roster so they dont have to draft by need. draft picks rarely make much of a contribution their rookie seasons. so drafting a player to fill a starting position is not the best way to go. you draft a player who looks like they can be great.
ch19079 Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Other than the above, I think that grabbing a safety at #8 is a wonderful idea. 649885[/snapback] yeah, sounds great.... except there are no top 10 safeties in this draft class. and i bet e could get one of the best safeties in this draft class in the second round.
1billsfan Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 I still have yet to hear a good reason why this team should even consider AJ Hawk 649803[/snapback] Attitude. The Bills defense lacked the killer attitude when Spikes went down and was in dire need of an attitude adjustment. Fletch is the man but he's getting old real quick in a position that takes years off your NFL life. You also got a gimpy question mark with Spikes. I could easily see the Bills not letting a player like AJ Hawk go by them.
colin Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Yes, virtually the entire NFL Community. As you see, safeties are not selected in the top 10. Exceptions? Sure, Sean Taylor (awaiting disposition of his criminal case(s), and Roy Williams, good, but I don't know if he is playing up to the #8 slot. You see Tip Man, the Bills DTs OTs, OGs, and perhaps OCs are marked by weakness and lack of skill. Although you make it sound not so hard, big guys who are in shape and can block other humans are not so easy to find. Does Huff come with Sean Taylor credentials? I think absolutely not, but even if he did, a #8 safety is a reach and a luxury that only good teams can afford. When Pitt took Palamalu (sic?) at 16, look what they had in place in front of him. Look who they had blocking on the other side For the Bills to take a safety at #8 would be the equivalent of putting a nice new roof on a house with rotten wood and a crumbling foundation. It might not be the exact model of stupidity and futility that drafting Parrish with our first selection was, but it would certainly be a move in this category. Other than the above, I think that grabbing a safety at #8 is a wonderful idea. 649885[/snapback] huff would be graded as high or higher than taylor. huff is the highest rated DB in the draft, he can be a corner or safety in the NFL. 8 is in no way a reach for the top DB. i'd rather we trade down and pick up bunk, a top rated interior Dlineman, an o tackle, etc.
Mark VI Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 a top 10 pick is not going to be a "need" player. it would be stupid to pass on a potential probowl player becaues you just signed a 10 year vet to a 2 year contract who happens to play the same position. 649899[/snapback] Huff would probably send slow 35 year old Vincent to waivers, not Bowen to the sidelines.
Dan Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Drafting a Safety would be about as bad as drafting a QB at 8. IT would totally suck @3s. We need linemen. And although a lineman isn't necessarily the same kind of star that a QB or RB is, a top tier perrenial pro bowl lineman is something that would be nice to have. Not to mention, good linemen make your stars, stars. So, for me, anything less than a lineman and then I'll start to get a little pissed about the offseason. I'll take a possible exception to Hawk. We really don't have great linebackers, despite the hipe. So drafting him (if available) wouldn't be a total disappointment.. Other than that, I want an new offensive line!
Tipster19 Posted April 2, 2006 Author Posted April 2, 2006 With Clements still not being completely resolved, Vincent being ancient and having chopped our starting SS and leaving a gaping hole there, I don't see why Huff wouldn't be our guy. His speed would give us great versatility. If you notice on the link entire NFL Community, as of lately, the DBs are being drafted early. What does that indicate? Latest trend? Here's an interesting article I read today and also ran into a quote from Marv. http://greenbaypressgazette.packersnews.co..._25411480.shtml A little Marvism. Bills coach Marv Levy on making long-term decisions that are best for the organization: "When you say you're building for the future, you're building for the future coach and general manager."
Mark VI Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Drafting a Safety would be about as bad as drafting a QB at 8. IT would totally suck @3s. We need linemen. And although a lineman isn't necessarily the same kind of star that a QB or RB is, a top tier perrenial pro bowl lineman is something that would be nice to have. Not to mention, good linemen make your stars, stars. So, for me, anything less than a lineman and then I'll start to get a little pissed about the offseason. I'll take a possible exception to Hawk. We really don't have great linebackers, despite the hipe. So drafting him (if available) wouldn't be a total disappointment.. Other than that, I want an new offensive line! 649919[/snapback] Then you might as well start driving nails with your forehead now. The lineman will come but the only OL ranked in the top 15 is Ferguson, who will be gone in the 1st 4 picks. Plenty of very good OG's and OT's will still be around in rounds 2 and 3 for us to select. Reaching for one in Round 1 is the difference between dumb/desperate teams and solid organizations which can see the whole picture beyond the end of the day. Since this is a new front office, I'm willing to give them a chance through the entire draft, camp and well into the 1st couple of seasons. They didn't create this mess.
Dan Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Ok. So trade with the someone in the mid teens then and take the guy there. I completely agree that Marv didn't make this mess. But he needs to fix it. And it can't be fixed with a new QB or safety. We've ignoree bringing in any solid linemen in for far too long and that directly correlates to our losing.
Bob in STL Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 I've got a hunch Marv will trade out of the 1st round. It's just a hunch, but it fits into our lack of involvement with FA and Ralph's disapointment with the league's revenue sharing and CBA. It will anger many fans, but I don't think our owner is comfortable signing anymore big contracts and large bonuses. Marv's been entrusted with keeping the team competitive with the best bargain players available. Multiple picks in the 2nd to 4th round make more sense. I don't like it, but it wouldn't surprise me at all. 649807[/snapback] I am thinking we might drop down a few spots to take Justice or Bunkley and to acquire another first day pick. I sure hope we don't drop out of the first round altogether but anything is possible. I think the Bills have been active but careful in free agency. I still thinks he wants to win it all.
Tipster19 Posted April 2, 2006 Author Posted April 2, 2006 Dan, I'm not sure who you are advocating for with the #8 pick. Ferguson? If he were to slip to us then I would agree 100% but that's wishful thinking. While it's best that you don't draft for need I think that you can throw that out the window when you have so high of a pick. Playmakers and playmakers with speed are ALWAYS a welcomed addition. Who knows what Marv is really going to do with this pick. All I'm saying is if we stay with our pick and the top prospects are drafted like they have been projected, then I wouldn't be upset if we took Huff.
Dan Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Dan, I'm not sure who you are advocating for with the #8 pick. Ferguson? If he were to slip to us then I would agree 100% but that's wishful thinking. While it's best that you don't draft for need I think that you can throw that out the window when you have so high of a pick. Playmakers and playmakers with speed are ALWAYS a welcomed addition. Who knows what Marv is really going to do with this pick. All I'm saying is if we stay with our pick and the top prospects are drafted like they have been projected, then I wouldn't be upset if we took Huff. 649947[/snapback] I'm not really advocating for any player. I don't presume to know exactly who we should take. However, I do know we need linemen a heck of a lot more than a safety. I don't know who's going to be there or not at 8. I've read a dozen and 1 mock drafts and they all show all sorts of things happening. However, if Fergie or Ngata, or possibly Hawk, are not on the board, I'm suggesting we should consider trading down to get line. But what if noone wants to trade? You still take the best lineman, even if its at 8. Ideally, you could trade down a few spots and still get that guy, plus another pick. But, who's to say someone wants to play with us?
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