Bill from NYC Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 Hey Marv, when it comes to trading Losman, "there is no try, only do". 645678[/snapback] I am not the biggest fan of Losman, but your post begs the question....what would you be willing to accept for him?
apuszczalowski Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 If the Bills give up on JP this early I will join every single doom and gloom poster on this board and it will show this team is in nothing but shambles and Marv and Ralph need to go. Cause bringing in GB third stringer and expecting him to succeed as the new starter is about as crazy as expecting JP to carry us to the playoffs after not starting and missing most of his first season. I really doubt i will listen to something that has only been reported on by a guy righting for Yahoo sports (I'm sure they are just one notch below NFL.com or the teams official site when it comes to reporting news)
DeLuca1967 Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 Nall as the No. 1 and (Kelly) Holcomb as the backup That may be the most disturbing thing I've read in a very long time. Let's turn the reigns over to a guy who attempted 33 passes over the last four seasons? Zero last year? His numbers are almost exact to another former Bills great Rob Johnson. If JP is not the guy so be it. Then Marv has failed big time by not going out and getting his starter. Right now it looks like it is JP, Holcomb or you run the Wing-T.
Bill from NYC Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 Nall as the No. 1 and (Kelly) Holcomb as the backup That may be the most disturbing thing I've read in a very long time. Let's turn the reigns over to a guy who attempted 33 passes over the last four seasons? Zero last year? His numbers are almost exact to another former Bills great Rob Johnson. If JP is not the guy so be it. Then Marv has failed big time by not going out and getting his starter. Right now it looks like it is JP, Holcomb or you run the Wing-T. 645686[/snapback] Most disturbing thing since when? Since TD named JP the starter for no reason?
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 Nall as the No. 1 and (Kelly) Holcomb as the backup What happened to competition for the starting job?
2003Contenders Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 Unless some team is willing to fork over a #1 for him -- which ain't happening -- you can be rest assured that he stays on the roster... at least for this season.
Tortured Soul Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 This is reporting 101, and Robinson is failing. 645639[/snapback] Not a shot at you, scribo, but who on this board is a reporter for a major news source (i.e. not your church newsletter)? Maybe this should be an OTW topic.
DeLuca1967 Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 Most disturbing thing since when? Since TD named JP the starter for no reason? 645689[/snapback] There was a reason. The reason was that this team couldn't win with Bledsoe. That was proven. JP happened to be the young QB on the roster and they gave him a shot. It happens more often then you think. Look at what the Chargers are doing. JP was hit with a bad injury at the worst time. Then he was thown to the lions without one decent lineman to protect him. People are going to hate on JP because that's what Bills fans do. The Bills are going nowhere this season so it'a a perfect time to build a line and give the kid his shot. The only problem I have is when will Marv start to address the O-line?
Stl Bills Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 Don't believe everything you read but I found this on yahoo when checking my fantasy baseball team.... ORLANDO, Fla. – Teams in search of a quarterback on the trade market could be in line for yet another young talent in the coming weeks: J.P. Losman. Two league sources indicated Tuesday that Losman hasn't gained the confidence of the Buffalo Bills' new regime. Both sources expect the team to put the former first-round pick on the trade block before the start of the 2006 season – if he isn't already there. Bills general manager Marv Levy declared the quarterback position an open race last week after signing Craig Nall to a three-year contract, and it was widely believed the former Green Bay Packers reserve QB would compete with Losman for starting duties. But one personnel man familiar with the situation said he expects Levy to put out trade feelers for Losman in the coming weeks. "I think it's going to be something that boils down to Nall as the No. 1 and (Kelly) Holcomb as the backup," he said. "If you went through the locker room and people were honest, (there would be) a lot of people who aren't sold on Losman as a leader." When asked if Losman could still win the support of Levy and teammates in the coming weeks, the source painted the situation as "doubtful." "The biggest advocates of (Losman as a starter) are gone, but he's still a guy who has trade value," he said. "If Nall ends up being the starter and Holcomb is a solid backup you can rely on, why would you have Losman sitting at the bottom (of the depth chart) when you can still get something out there for him?" The advocates that were mentioned are ex-general manager Tom Donahoe and ex-head coach Mike Mularkey. Interestingly, Mularkey is now the offensive coordinator of the Miami Dolphins – a team that is actively seeking a backup quarterback and exploring a possible trade for the Detroit Lions' Joey Harrington. However, the Dolphins also are looking for a veteran backup who has a generous amount of starting experience, and Losman doesn't seem to fit the profile. If there is any inclination to move Losman, the Bills haven't shown it publicly – outside of bringing Nall in to vie for starting honors. New head coach Dick Jauron has been supportive and complimentary of Losman so far, and said Tuesday he's hoping Nall's acquisition will spur some healthy competition. "(Losman has) had two years now to develop," Jauron said. "He had to play a lot last year. It was thrown on him early. It was a difficult situation to be in for a young guy. So he's got a real chance (to improve in his third year). He's got all that physical talent. He can run. He's got a strong arm. He's a smart guy. He's not afraid to work. He's got a lot of upside to him. We've got to give him a chance to get it out. Hopefully those other guys competing will force the hand a little bit and make them all better." "(Nall) obviously doesn't have a lot of playing time. But when he's played he's performed well. He's been accurate with the football. He's a good decision maker. He's got experience. We're not teaching the guy how to play. All he has to do is transfer information. He should be able to step up and compete. He's got good size (6-foot-3, 230 pounds). I like his size – his height in the pocket. I like his demeanor. I like the way he handled himself in interviews. He's a very competitive guy. He believes he can be a starter and should be a starter."
BillsGuyInMalta Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 Should Vince Young be getting fitted for his Bills uniform? Now there would be a sight. Trading Losman is a BAD IDEA. The guy has...what...8 starts under his belt? If he bombs next season after starting again, then yeah...fine...trade him or release him. But doing so now just seems like jumping the gun.
Ramius Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 I'm not going to read another one of this 'tard's articles until he grows some pubes. What a joke. Ohh! look i can impress all my 4th grade friends by reading rumors and combining them into a specualtion article. and a "league source" could be the janitor that empties the port-o-shitter outside the league offices.
CaliforniaCheez Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 These stories are such baloney. It takes time for QB's to develop. Why throw away the time invested to date? I did like this part though: "(Nall) obviously doesn't have a lot of playing time. But when he's played he's performed well. He's been accurate with the football. He's a good decision maker. He's got experience. We're not teaching the guy how to play. All he has to do is transfer information. He should be able to step up and compete. He's got good size (6-foot-3, 230 pounds). I like his size – his height in the pocket. I like his demeanor. I like the way he handled himself in interviews. He's a very competitive guy. He believes he can be a starter and should be a starter." 645724[/snapback]
udonkey Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 I would have to trust the decision if Marv made it, but I would definitely be bummed, as I've bought the JP hype and really want him to do well IN BUFFALO.
2003Contenders Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 I'm not going to read another one of this 'tard's articles until he grows some pubes. What a joke. Ohh! look i can impress all my 4th grade friends by reading rumors and combining them into a specualtion article. and a "league source" could be the janitor that empties the port-o-shitter outside the league offices. 645733[/snapback] Agreed... Many on this baord could have written a more credible article. My guess is that "Two league sources " = Eric Moulds and his advisor.
stinky finger Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 Nall as the No. 1 and (Kelly) Holcomb as the backup That may be the most disturbing thing I've read in a very long time. Let's turn the reigns over to a guy who attempted 33 passes over the last four seasons? Zero last year? His numbers are almost exact to another former Bills great Rob Johnson. If JP is not the guy so be it. Then Marv has failed big time by not going out and getting his starter. Right now it looks like it is JP, Holcomb or you run the Wing-T. 645686[/snapback] What IF Nall outplays JP for the starting job? Is it really that unthinkable? Nalls #'s are comparable to RJs?
MDH Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 Most disturbing thing since when? Since TD named JP the starter for no reason? 645689[/snapback] I don't know how to break it to you but teams eventually put their 1st round drafted QBs into the starting lineup within the first two years without having them "compete" for the job. It's how you get value out of the selection as they're not going to get better sitting on the bench. Unfortunately for the Bills (and the fans) those other teams generally don't yank the chain of the QB all season long, they stick it out with him through thick and thin (and usually do so for a second year as well). If a team isn't willing to do this then they have no buisness selecting a QB in the first round.
BillsGuyInMalta Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 Funny thought though...could you imagine what would happen to The Wall if we drafted Jay Cutler with the #8 overall pick? Even I'd start voting for suicide at that point.
MDH Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 Funny thought though...could you imagine what would happen to The Wall if we drafted Jay Cutler with the #8 overall pick? 645745[/snapback] Eight starts into Cutler's career as a Bill the fans would be calling him a bust and there would be rumors that he was on the trade block.
CaliforniaCheez Posted March 29, 2006 Posted March 29, 2006 Looks like two threads on same subject. You don't just get rid of a 1st round QB that you invested 2 years training. QB's take time to develop. It should be encouraging to read this part: "(Nall) obviously doesn't have a lot of playing time. But when he's played he's performed well. He's been accurate with the football. He's a good decision maker. He's got experience. We're not teaching the guy how to play. All he has to do is transfer information. He should be able to step up and compete. He's got good size (6-foot-3, 230 pounds). I like his size – his height in the pocket. I like his demeanor. I like the way he handled himself in interviews. He's a very competitive guy. He believes he can be a starter and should be a starter." 645724[/snapback] Marv may have gotten a starter very cheap. Either way the better QB will be starting. There will be no trade without competition first. Next year at earliest.
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