Ash-holes that own pit bulls

[Mikie2times]

Some breeds ARE more aggressive than others by nature (I've been around pit bulls, dobermans, rottweilers, shepherds...and the most aggressive - not dangerous - breed I've seen, in fact, are Lhasa Apsos, believe it or not, though they're hardly scary as small as they are.)  But nature is only nature; training dictates behavior, nature only dictates how you train (how much, how sternly).  I'd sooner trust a responsible owner with a pit bull than I would an absolute dumbasss with a "child friendly" breed like a retreiver. 

 

In fact, the guy we just bought our house from has a huge and very territorial Mastiff that had fire in his eyes when he saw me walking up to the house...I wasn't the least bit afriad because I could see the owner handled him firmly.  I'm more afraid of those stupid Yorkshire Terriers our current dumbass neighbor owns but doesn't control than I am a well-handled "aggressive" breed.

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Good post. I have a long haired Shepard who's now around 108 pounds. For the first few months we had tons of problems with him, and it wasn't as if I was an uneducated owner, it was just that I was coddling him being a puppy and all. Eventually when I realized the dog thinks he's the Alpha I completely changed my approach. Now the dog is almost perfectly trained, and I even think he prefers the lesser role. What's scary is it's not just the abusive owners that create these problems, but the ones who buy aggressive breeds and can't put their foot down are pretty common also.

[TheMadCap]

Reminds me of the ultra maroon that lives next to my brother in SC. They live in a very nice, family oriented community. Only this retart across the street owns a pit bull, and does not discipline the animal.

 

One day, a bunch of kids were playing in the guy's yard on the trampoline. The pit bull ended up chomping a little boy. Not bad enough to seriously injure the child thankfully. Not only did the guy not apologise, or even call the family to see if the kid was ok, but he frequently brings the dog to the kid's bus stop, in effect, terrorizing the little boy.

 

Oh yeah, this retard has four little kids of his own...

 

 

Disclaimer: I am not paying attention to spelling in this post........TOM!

[cantankerous]

I've seen very sweet, well behaved pits and i've also seen vicious and very mean pits. I for one don't care for them very much. I'm more a of husky type.

[Arkady Renko]

"Susan let the cat out."

 

I'm quite sure there's a law against that.  Why in the hell do people think it's OK to let their cats run around outside?  Would you have posted the same thing if the cat had killed 10 neighborhood birds or would that have been nature taking its course?

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Perhaps in some places there's a law against letting cats outside, but that's not the norm. In fact, I would bet that most people let their cats outside. Sure there's a risk that something will happen to them, but for many cats I don't think keeping them inside works very well.

 

Besides, there's a different between letting a cat out--which is normal behavior--and that cat kills a bird or something and going into someone's fenced in yard with a pit-bull to kill someone else's pet and property for your own entertainment.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just got informed it couldn't have been a Bushmaster...wrong continent.  I will have to contact this said friend and find out which snake it was, oh well.

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I am finally reading through this thread... I was gonna call you on it.

 

My son loves Austin Stevens... The Bushmaster resides in the western hemisphere (actually South America)...

 

But, you can say it also has been spotted further north...

[Sirius99]

Take a look at this video clip and see what the buzz is here in Watertown NY. I really feel sorry for the dog this time. I would like to personally kick the sh-- out of these little bastards that did this to that poor cat. What is this world coming to?

Dog Video (very graphic)

 

Video is very graphic, even more if you're a cat lover. Scroll down just a bit and there is a video to see and some audio clips of the mayor talking on the radio about this crime.

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I blame George Bush. Or Haliburton. Or maybe it was Dick Chieny dressed up as a pit bull. Somehow, it's got to be the administrations fault, je pense.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Yeah I think their venom is actually less poisonous than many other vipers, but the sheer quantity of what they can inject with a single bite is what makes them so lethal.

Something like a 75% fatality rate?

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The inland Taipan is the most lethal terrestial snake (amazing how lethal krates (sea) are compared to these).

 

And the inland Taipan? Because of a little rat! Seems through evolution the rat has become immune to the venom and loves to eat snake... So through evolution, the Taipan ups the ante and developes more lethal venom... Carry this tit-for-tat through evoultion and you got one potent snake... Then, in walks man... Gets bit and there is enough potency to knock out an elephant.

 

~Source... My 7 year old son.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Perhaps in some places there's a law against letting cats outside, but that's not the norm. In fact, I would bet that most people let their cats outside. Sure there's a risk that something will happen to them, but for many cats I don't think keeping them inside works very well.

 

Besides, there's a different between letting a cat out--which is normal behavior--and that cat kills a bird or something and going into someone's fenced in yard with a pit-bull to kill someone else's pet and property for your own entertainment.

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No.

 

Cats live longer indoors... Our cat (wife's first) is 12 years old and going strong.

 

Just gotta put your foot down with the cat the same way you do with a dog...EARLY.

 

Never had a problem... The thing would be confused if it went outside... Probably wouldn't go if it had the chance either.

 

Cats seem to wipe out insectivore species in parts of the world... Which isn't good (my son is also into hedgehogs and what not... )

 

So keep on telling yourself it is okay... I agree with Darin... It isn't.

[Arkady Renko]

So keep on telling yourself it is okay... I agree with Darin... It isn't.

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Whether or not I or you think it's okay to let cats outside, it is extremely common and accepted that people do it. I might think that pitbulls shouldn't be allowed as pets at all--but they are. I am not going to enforce my own standards of what I THINK should be allowed and start killing the ones I see in people's yards. When I was a boy, the neighbor's dog kept on breaking out of its run and would chase me down outside with its jaws open. I didn't think it was appropriate to try to kill it just because I didn't like that it was coming after me. Likewise, if one thinks that too many songbirds are being killed by cats the solution is to change the rules on cats or try to convince people not to let their cats out, not to go all vigilante and kill someone else's pet. Acting in that way shows callousness to the pet-owners who care about their pet regardless of how low regard you might have towards the animal.

 

What clearly isn't allowed and what violates common decency is to purposely have your dog kill another's pet in their yard or anywhere else.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Whether or not I or you think it's okay to let cats outside, it is extremely common and accepted that people do it. I might think that pitbulls shouldn't be allowed as pets at all--but they are. I am not going to enforce my own standards of what I THINK should be allowed and start killing the ones I see in people's yards. When I was a boy, the neighbor's dog kept on breaking out of its run and would chase me down outside with its jaws open. I didn't think it was appropriate to try to kill it just because I didn't like that it was coming after me. Likewise, if one thinks that too many songbirds are being killed by cats the solution is to change the rules on cats or try to convince people not to let their cats out, not to go all vigilante and kill someone else's pet. Acting in that way shows callousness to the pet-owners who care about their pet regardless of how low regard you might have towards the animal.

 

What clearly isn't allowed and what violates common decency is to purposely have your dog kill another's pet in their yard or anywhere else.

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Well it shouldn't be (in Blue). There can be a lot at stake. (Bold)

 

Read (clip): Notice (Red):

 

The results of the three future scenarios were dramatic. The computer forecast that between 6 and 14% of all bird species will be extinct by 2100, and that 700 to 2,500 species will be critically endangered or extinct in the wild. Even the middle-of-the-road intermediate scenario revealed that one in 10 species will disappear a century from now, and that approximately 1,200 species will be functionally extinct. Reasons for the expected decline in bird populations include habitat loss, disease, climate change, competition from introduced species, and exploitation for food or the pet trade.

"It's hard to imagine the disappearance of a bird species making much difference to human well-being," said co-author Daily. "Yet consider the case of the Passenger Pigeon. Its loss is thought to have made Lyme disease the huge problem it is today. When Passenger Pigeons were abundant—and they used to occur in unimaginably large flocks of hundreds of millions of birds—the acorns on which they specialized would have been too scarce to support large populations of deer mice, the main reservoir of Lyme disease, that thrive on them today."

The authors also found that numerous insect-eating species face extinction. "Exclusions of insectivorous birds from apple trees, coffee shrubs, oak trees and other plants have resulted in significant increases in insect pests and consequent plant damage," the authors wrote, adding that the extreme specializations of many insectivorous birds, especially in the tropics, make it unlikely that other organisms will be able to replace the birds' crucial role in controlling pests.

 

"The societal importance of ecosystem services is often appreciated only upon their loss," the authors wrote. "Disconcertingly, avian declines may in fact portray a best-case scenario, since fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals are 1.7 to 2.5 times more threatened [than birds]." Invertebrates, which may be even more ecologically significant than animals, also are disappearing, they noted. Therefore, "investments in understanding and preventing declines in populations of birds and other organisms will pay off only while there is still time to act," the authors concluded. -- Stanford News Service

[ExiledInIllinois]

Oh... JohnnyB... I do agree with you... I am not siding with the dog owners and the callousness they showed.

 

Things gotta change in the attitude that people take when letting ANY pet into an enviro.

 

Just thought I would clarify this.

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

Whether or not I or you think it's okay to let cats outside, it is extremely common and accepted that people do it.

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And you're getting this little data point from where, precisely?

[Alaska Darin]

And you're getting this little data point from where, precisely?

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His happy place. The same place where emotional people who are easily swayed think things like outlawing specific dog breeds is OK because certain people can't be trusted to own one.

 

Pitbulls are simply the latest one to get the bad wrap. Their popularity has led to massive inbreeding and capitalistic greed, which of course means that rather than being bred for temperment/breed characteristics by reputable folks they are often bred by people with no business doing it.

 

When I was a kid it was Dobermans and German Shepards. Now it's Rottweilers and Pit Bulls.

 

Doesn't change the fact that some idiot let her cat out.

 

Outdoor Cats and their Effect on the Environment

[Moose]

I didn't and won't watch the video... but I can surmise what happened and it's sickening to know how some people raise their dogs.

 

As long-time owner of what many consider a "dangerous breed", the Chow Chow, I concur with both arguments: some breeds are more prone to certain types of personalities; how a dog is raised and trained is vital in developing a good canine citizen. Chows are not like most other breeds in that they are rather aloof and not naturally trusting of people they don't know. I've raised two of them from puppies, taking them to obedience class and socializing them extensively. Still, like a typical Chow, they need to be properly introduced to people before they can proceed to ignore them as they do all their "friends". :-) That isn't to say that they would bite someone they don't know; they're just leery and keep up their guard until they are assured it's okay. My Chows will let anyone they know come into my unlocked door unchallenged; if you are a stranger and aren't properly let in, you are in big trouble. Chows are excellent watch dogs: discerning and very intelligent. I'll always own one!

[Arkady Renko]

His happy place.  The same place where emotional people who are easily swayed think things like outlawing specific dog breeds is OK because certain people can't be trusted to own one.

 

Pitbulls are simply the latest one to get the bad wrap.  Their popularity has led to massive inbreeding and capitalistic greed, which of course means that rather than being bred for temperment/breed characteristics by reputable folks they are often bred by people with no business doing it.

 

When I was a kid it was Dobermans and German Shepards.  Now it's Rottweilers and Pit Bulls.

 

Doesn't change the fact that some idiot let her cat out.

 

Outdoor Cats and their Effect on the Environment

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Your post is funny for two reasons. 1. Inferring that I want pit bulls banned because I was making parallels to the two arguments and 2, b/c the article you linked to shows how common it is to let cats outside-regardless of how much it bothers people who like songbirds or hate cats. (For that matter, I suppose those who like disease-infecting rats probably hate cats being let outside as well.)

 

And again, I never claimed that cats should be let outside, I was saying that they are. And the harm within the risk of letting a cat out is that it might kill a vermit or a bird, or might get hit by a car or might run away. It is not that someone will kill it for their own amusement. Therefore, she wasn't asking for it or anything else when this happened. If the cat got hit by car, then you could be making that argument.

[TheMadCap]

Well it shouldn't be (in Blue).  There can be a lot at stake. (Bold)

 

Read (clip): Notice (Red):

 

The results of the three future scenarios were dramatic. The computer forecast that between 6 and 14% of all bird species will be extinct by 2100, and that 700 to 2,500 species will be critically endangered or extinct in the wild. Even the middle-of-the-road intermediate scenario revealed that one in 10 species will disappear a century from now, and that approximately 1,200 species will be functionally extinct. Reasons for the expected decline in bird populations include habitat loss, disease, climate change, competition from introduced species, and exploitation for food or the pet trade.

"It's hard to imagine the disappearance of a bird species making much difference to human well-being," said co-author Daily. "Yet consider the case of the Passenger Pigeon. Its loss is thought to have made Lyme disease the huge problem it is today. When Passenger Pigeons were abundant—and they used to occur in unimaginably large flocks of hundreds of millions of birds—the acorns on which they specialized would have been too scarce to support large populations of deer mice, the main reservoir of Lyme disease, that thrive on them today."

The authors also found that numerous insect-eating species face extinction. "Exclusions of insectivorous birds from apple trees, coffee shrubs, oak trees and other plants have resulted in significant increases in insect pests and consequent plant damage," the authors wrote, adding that the extreme specializations of many insectivorous birds, especially in the tropics, make it unlikely that other organisms will be able to replace the birds' crucial role in controlling pests.

 

"The societal importance of ecosystem services is often appreciated only upon their loss," the authors wrote. "Disconcertingly, avian declines may in fact portray a best-case scenario, since fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals are 1.7 to 2.5 times more threatened [than birds]." Invertebrates, which may be even more ecologically significant than animals, also are disappearing, they noted. Therefore, "investments in understanding and preventing declines in populations of birds and other organisms will pay off only while there is still time to act," the authors concluded. -- Stanford News Service

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Probably most damaging....English House Sparrow. These birds are vile, filthy flying weasels...

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

Probably most damaging....English House Sparrow. These birds are vile, filthy flying weasels...

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They're better than turkey vultures, though. Ever see an English House Sparrow bring down a plane?

[ExiledInIllinois]

His happy place.  The same place where emotional people who are easily swayed think things like outlawing specific dog breeds is OK because certain people can't be trusted to own one.

 

Pitbulls are simply the latest one to get the bad wrap.  Their popularity has led to massive inbreeding and capitalistic greed, which of course means that rather than being bred for temperment/breed characteristics by reputable folks they are often bred by people with no business doing it.

When I was a kid it was Dobermans and German Shepards.  Now it's Rottweilers and Pit Bulls.

 

Doesn't change the fact that some idiot let her cat out.

 

Outdoor Cats and their Effect on the Environment

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Bingo! We have a winner.

 

But... What to do in the meantime? Seems things are getting progressively worse through the generations.

 

In the end Darin, I agree with you... But, it is easier to control the breed than the numerous bad apples that own them... Unfortuantely, the good owners suffer.

 

Don't get me wrong... I am not advocating this step yet.

 

Remember... Cybil loves you...

[ExiledInIllinois]

I didn't and won't watch the video... but I can surmise what happened and it's sickening to know how some people raise their dogs.

 

As long-time owner of what many consider a "dangerous breed", the Chow Chow, I concur with both arguments: some breeds are more prone to certain types of personalities; how a dog is raised and trained is vital in developing a good canine citizen. Chows are not like most other breeds in that they are rather aloof and not naturally trusting of people they don't know. I've raised two of them from puppies, taking them to obedience class and socializing them extensively. Still, like a typical Chow, they need to be properly introduced to people before they can proceed to ignore them as they do all their "friends". :-) That isn't to say that they would bite someone they don't know; they're just leery and keep up their guard until they are assured it's okay. My Chows will let anyone they know come into my unlocked door unchallenged; if you are a stranger and aren't properly let in, you are in big trouble. Chows are excellent watch dogs: discerning and very intelligent. I'll always own one!

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Interesting.

 

Maybe we should have chows on "The Hill" overseeing the security of congressperson's comings and goings.

 

Then... We wouldn't have half the messes we have today!

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

They're better than turkey vultures, though.  Ever see an English House Sparrow bring down a plane?

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I've seen seagulls stop government employees from doing their jobs... Funny in many, many ways you can take this... Funny how rain gear and hard hats can get you through their nesting areas...

 

I've seen purple martins "chase" a tractor (while mowing) into a ditch.

 

They do seem like innocuous little beasts though.