2003Contenders Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 Why is everyone talking about this like Green Bay really offered this. Just because one person said he "heard" something we think it might happen? This is stupid and untill I see prove I have to assume this post is false. 642614[/snapback] True, and on top of that... Even if GB did offer this, that means it is the starting point for negotiations. You'd have to expect Marv to counter with something a little more equitable for the Bills -- if the original report is true.
Mile High Posted March 26, 2006 Author Posted March 26, 2006 Why is everyone talking about this like Green Bay really offered this. Just because one person said he "heard" something we think it might happen? This is stupid and untill I see prove I have to assume this post is false. 642614[/snapback] Check out other message boards. Apparently I'm not the only one who heard it last night.
turftoe Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 True, and on top of that... Even if GB did offer this, that means it is the starting point for negotiations. You'd have to expect Marv to counter with something a little more equitable for the Bills -- if the original report is true. 642626[/snapback] Maybe there are sources "from deep within."
Rico Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 Absolutely not... no way do you lose a day 1 pick in this year's draft. Moulds for a draft pick, hell yes! Plus, there's no guarantee that Walker will come back 100% or that he wants to go to Buffalo.
Buffalo Wing Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 Moulds - 6'2", 210 lbs, 32 years old Walker - 6'3", 215 lbs, 27 years old The game is all about matchups - mismatches that is. Moulds is more often than not a mismatch in terms of size and strength on a cornerback (I still say he is the strongest receiver in the league). Same holds true with Walker - definite mismatch on a cornerback. Granted, this only holds true if Walker is healthy. That being said, if you had an offense with Walker, Evans, Vernon Davis, and McGahee, can you say "HOLY MACKEREL TED MARCHIBRODA!". At that point, you could still have an average offensive line and an average quarterback...and just let the fun start....just give the ball to the one that has the greatest mismatch. And I would make the draft pick a conditional pick for the 2007 draft. Depending on production, it could range from anywhere from a 2nd round to a 6th round. Then, in this year's draft, you snag Vernon Davis in the 1st round, and then a defensive tackle, and two offensive guards to round out Day 1. The other wildcard in this deal could be Mark Roman, the Green Bay strong safety. Supposedly he wants out of Green Bay as well. Throw him in the deal and I will ask Marv to throw in one of our 3rd round picks. Then, maybe, we could finally say goodbye to Mr. Wire!
Pyrate Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 Guys it's a 3rd and a 4th rounder it's not the end of the world. We'd probably use one of those on a WR anyway When's the last time a 3rd or 4th rounder drafted by Buffalo was an all pro? Andre Reed?
Matt in KC Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 Guys it's a 3rd and a 4th rounder it's not the end of the world.We'd probably use one of those on a WR anyway When's the last time a 3rd or 4th rounder drafted by Buffalo was an all pro? Andre Reed? 642639[/snapback] Terrence McGee in 2003?
The Tomcat Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 Jason Peters...oh wait...he was a free agent signing....never mind Kevin Everett was a third rounder.....
BADOLBILZ Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 Yeah, because beyond Lee Evans, we have Josh Reed (everyone's whipping boy the last three years), Sam Aiken (good special teamer, not such a great receiver), Roscoe Parrish (I predict another TD bust- even if he is not, he is not built to be an every down reciever), Freddie Smith (he did return a kick for a td against New England in a Pats romp two years ago!), Charles Wilson (Ralphs' son?)...you are right, this is a powerhouse unit. No sense in getting a fifth year upper echelon reciever, if not injured, entering his prime, for a good vetran on the downside of his career... I agree, maybe the Pack wants a little too much, draft pick wise, but Marv and company would be absolute fools not to explore this. Maybe one of those draft picks could be predicated on Walkers' production for us, this year. This is likely the most tangible value the Bills will ever be offered for Moulds. I think people are getting too caught up in the draft picks...is a fourth round draft pick any more of a gamble than an excellent reciever coming off of a knee injury? Don't forget, we would be getting Jevon Walker too! If the Bills are serious about wanting to give Losman or Nall a chance to develop their skills, having a good receiving corp would seem essential, since we seem to be striking out on solidfying our offensive line. I am kind of shocked that so many are so vehemently opposed to this trade proposal... 642567[/snapback] The Bills receiving corps is mediocre, but the rest of the team is barrel scrapings by comparison. I'm not against trading Moulds for Walker, but just not giving up draft value. WR should not be a top priority considering the mess they are in. If they don't fix the lines, the skill players will not be in position to produce and if they don't pay Walker, he'll be Walk-ing next offseason. Bottom line: not a priority and not worth losing a player in the third round this year. Like I said, an early third this year is probably worth as much as the #1 the Bills received from Atlanta for Peerless Price. That pick will be a very good offensive lineman, a crying need.
Rico Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 Right now, I cannot wait for Draft Day, Having 4 of the top 73 picks in a VERY deep draft is going to be so sweet! Taking that impact player at #8, then adding another stud in the early 2nd round (probably a 1st-round player any other year). And then, those 2 almost-consecutive picks near the top of the 3rd-round... THAT will be fun! and it will make up for a conservative FA season... not complaining now, but I'm just REALLY looking forward to this draft! I do NOT want to see the Packers taking someone like Latui with our 3rd-rounder, with nothing but a crippled WR to show for it.
dave mcbride Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 The Bills receiving corps is mediocre, but the rest of the team is barrel scrapings by comparison. I'm not against trading Moulds for Walker, but just not giving up draft value. WR should not be a top priority considering the mess they are in. If they don't fix the lines, the skill players will not be in position to produce and if they don't pay Walker, he'll be Walk-ing next offseason. Bottom line: not a priority and not worth losing a player in the third round this year. Like I said, an early third this year is probably worth as much as the #1 the Bills received from Atlanta for Peerless Price. That pick will be a very good offensive lineman, a crying need. 642658[/snapback] badol, any thoughts about trading down in the first (say, swapping our pick and a 4th for denver's 2 firsts) so that the bills end up with 5 picks in the top 73? that's what i'm favoring at this point. i agree about the receivers - they're not that bad of a group. tight end is a far greater need anyway.
Buftex Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 The Bills receiving corps is mediocre, but the rest of the team is barrel scrapings by comparison. I'm not against trading Moulds for Walker, but just not giving up draft value. WR should not be a top priority considering the mess they are in. If they don't fix the lines, the skill players will not be in position to produce and if they don't pay Walker, he'll be Walk-ing next offseason. Bottom line: not a priority and not worth losing a player in the third round this year. Like I said, an early third this year is probably worth as much as the #1 the Bills received from Atlanta for Peerless Price. That pick will be a very good offensive lineman, a crying need. 642658[/snapback] I see what you mean, but I still think that the WR corps, without Moulds will be less than mediocre. What does that mean? We will not know if Losman or Nall can play, really...like I said, any trade for Walker should be contigent upon his health (Bills doctors would have to give him a good diagnosis)and a contract extension. I really think people are freaking out a little too much about the draft picks. At some point, the Bills would have to draft a WR...and then wait the customary 3 years to be sure if he is any good...why not get a guy who is already a known commodity, and known to be pretty damn good...sign him to a five year deal...I guess there seems to be a majority who would prefer to get another late round draft pick for Moulds, or just let him go?
BADOLBILZ Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 badol, any thoughts about trading down in the first (say, swapping our pick and a 4th for denver's 2 firsts) so that the bills end up with 5 picks in the top 73? that's what i'm favoring at this point. i agree about the receivers - they're not that bad of a group. tight end is a far greater need anyway. 642661[/snapback] I like Mario Williams, Ferguson and Vernon Davis in that order as picks at #8, if none are there I would hope they could trade out. I was really hoping for Davis a couple months ago, but somehow the Bills managed to make more holes than they already had coming into this offseason and now TE has probably lost some of it's priority. I think Denver has enough ammunition to trade up well ahead of us now, and my guess is they will, for either Williams or a QB.
colin Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 now i deserve to be tarred and feathered for a post saying something besides "TEH OLINE YOUR GHEY IF YOU DON'T BANG THE O LINE DRUM AND THE OLINE DRUM ONLY! GET R DONE MARV" but we had a bad line in 02 and a great overall O because of our weapons (and QB play too, but let's pretend we have that now). if we have a chance of super chargin our weapons with a guy like walker, and even perhaps with a vernon davis in the draft (or merc lewis in the 2nd?) it might be the best move to make now. we do need o line (and some D line) but adding the best young talent to our team possible would really put us on the path of being a strong team for a while. i think we need big men, but we need great players in every position and if we have a shot at one we should take it.
Dan Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 I can't even read all this, nor should I. Anyone advocating this trade just spent all their credibility. We give our top receiver and 2 picks. They give their top receiver and 1 pick. Let me simplify the math 3=2. How is that something anyone other than a Packer fan would like?!? Unless you argue that Walker is twice as good as Moulds, which we know that's not that case, this is complete bunk. Maybe, maybe you consider it if we give up 1 pick and they give up 2. Then we could entertain the thought of whether or not we want Walker.
Mantis Toboggan M.D Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 I think Javon Walker and a 5th for Moulds and our 4th wouldnt be too bad of a trade. Truth is moulds wont be around for that much longer so giving up an earlier round pick wouldnt be too bad.
Brandon Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 badol, any thoughts about trading down in the first (say, swapping our pick and a 4th for denver's 2 firsts) so that the bills end up with 5 picks in the top 73? that's what i'm favoring at this point. i agree about the receivers - they're not that bad of a group. tight end is a far greater need anyway. 642661[/snapback] The Vikings might also be a good target for a trade. They have the 17th, 48th, and 51st overall picks. That would basically be equal to a trade of the Bills 8th pick and the 70th pick.
Nick in RaChaCha Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 Walker is coming off an injury - Knee I believe. I like a straight up trade for Walker... possible give GB out 7th rounder this year.
BADOLBILZ Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 now i deserve to be tarred and feathered for a post saying something besides "TEH OLINE YOUR GHEY IF YOU DON'T BANG THE O LINE DRUM AND THE OLINE DRUM ONLY! GET R DONE MARV" but we had a bad line in 02 and a great overall O because of our weapons (and QB play too, but let's pretend we have that now). if we have a chance of super chargin our weapons with a guy like walker, and even perhaps with a vernon davis in the draft (or merc lewis in the 2nd?) it might be the best move to make now. we do need o line (and some D line) but adding the best young talent to our team possible would really put us on the path of being a strong team for a while. i think we need big men, but we need great players in every position and if we have a shot at one we should take it. 642687[/snapback] In 02' we had a horse at QB. He could take the 50 sacks and a ton of hits. Losman and Holcomb can't. Most QB's can't. That said, the 02' OL was a lot better than the junk we have now!
frogger Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 On NFL radio today, I heard an Idiot Pats fan (I know redundant) call in asking what they would have to trade to get Moulds, they all agreed a 2nd rounder. I would gladly take a 2nd rounder from the Pats. Wouldn't happen though. that being said would walker get the same attention, no. Moulds is a proven WR over the last 7 years, while he has had ups and downs, at least he's had more than one up. Too many WR have one good year, and bank off of that (see David Boston, Peerless Price, and even Charles Johnson) if he had two good years, the trade value would be higher, the fact is Moulds and Walker straight up should be the deal, only because moulds' contract is so large compared to walker. to compensate $$ the Packs don't have to give us an additional pick
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