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that Bushies failed to get international cooperation in its military action in Iraq.

 

No more talk about the Coalition of the Bribed after Volcker's Oil for UN Votes came out. (btw, don't recall much outrage on these pages about it)

 

Maybe now, we're finding out why getting all international help was not forthcoming, or probably could have been worse. Oh that friendly soulmate..

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that Bushies failed to get international cooperation in its military action in Iraq. 

 

No more talk about the Coalition of the Bribed after Volcker's Oil for UN Votes came out.  (btw, don't recall much outrage on these pages about it)

 

Maybe now, we're finding out why getting all international help was not forthcoming, or probably could have been worse.  Oh that friendly soulmate..

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Stupid as hell, if true. Why would Russia, knowing Iraq's going to be invaded, run the very real risk of having their source busted by providing info to Saddam?

 

At least no one's found out about their source in the CIA yet...

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Interesting.

 

You know, in addition to no one speaking about this issue, it seems that no one in the US is talking about the more serious issue of The Coalition of the Willings failure to produce any Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.

 

We were all assured by you that that you were invading Iraq because they posed a serious threat to your country's security. Or at least your leaders were telling the rest of the world these statements.

 

There are people on this board that are insulting the French again. Why?

Because hundreds of thousands, if not millions of their youth are out in the streets executing their democratic responsibility toward their society.

Yet, the US seems to be too busy to notice, question or even care about anything if that means turning off the TV and getting off the couch and do something about it.

 

 

I don't mean to rant or piss you off. I just find some of the blind Nationalism on this board quite shocking.

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Yet, the US seems to be too busy to notice, question or even care about anything if that means turning off the TV and getting off the couch and do something about it.

 

This part, I'll agree with. My biggest peeve. Most Americans seem to think that is doing something.

 

Past that, there are ways to "execute(ing) their democratic responsibility toward their society" that might not involve wrecking and burning other people's things. You guys advocate street riots there in NZ? Thought things were a tad more sensible than that there.

 

And, as someone who was actually involved in the WMD thing from 2002 on, let's just say I have pretty well given up on trying to explain anything once both sides of the argument turned it into another media wrestling match. I haven't heard much that could be considered totally factual out of either side.

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Yet,  the US seems to be too busy to notice, question or even care about anything if that means turning off the TV and getting off  the couch and do something about it.

I don't mean to rant or piss you off. 

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I agree with the TV part, but Americans participates more than you think, it is a little more disjointed than it appears.  Americans also spend more time trying to ignore their politicians than anything else. I am not sure about you Kiwis, but Canadiennes from my experience are about the same and from what I know of the English system, they are not much different and the list goes on.  This board is not a good sample of that, quite a number of us have or still do participate actively in American politics at varying levels and insight.

I just find some of the blind Nationalism on this board quite shocking.

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Blind nationalism, depends on what you mean...do we blindly support this President...no, do we think of foreign policy in term of the U.S. v. the rest of the World, probably, but not more than say the Chinese, the French, Germans etc. I am not sure that the statement is a meaningful one. Please clarify?

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Hi "BiB",

 

Your assuming things.

Your last assumption is correct in thinking that Kiwi's are a sensible lot.

However, your first assumption (or implication, perhaps?) is wrong.

Let's be mature and "assume" that I'm actually against the "wrecking and burning other people's things" part ok?

If you throw the word "Sensible" around... try to use it yourself.

 

The final point of your reply actually supports my statement that people don't want to get involved. ("...I have pretty well given up on trying...")

 

Past that, there are ways to "execute(ing) their democratic responsibility toward their society" that might not involve wrecking and burning other people's things. You guys advocate street riots there in NZ? Thought things were a tad more sensible than that there.

 

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Hi "BiB",

 

Your assuming things.

Your last assumption is correct in thinking that Kiwi's are a sensible lot.

However, your first assumption (or implication, perhaps?) is wrong. 

Let's be mature and "assume" that I'm actually against the "wrecking and burning other people's things" part ok? 

If you throw the word "Sensible" around... try to use it yourself.

 

The final point of your reply actually supports my statement that people don't want to get involved. ("...I have pretty well given up on trying...")

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Oh, you're one of those...

 

No, I went by what you wrote. I'm not assuming anything.

 

You were the one who used the phrase "executing their democratic responsibility toward their society." In context with rioting in the streets. I don't see where I misrepresented anything. Your words, your context. You didn't mitigate or caveat anything.

 

As for me personally, you are new here, so I'll give a bye. I've probably got about 50 pages of conversation on Middle Eastern geo-political issues here alone, which by no means approaches the percentage placed in the more responsible venues I've "lectured", written and discussed them in.

 

As I've indicated more than once here, today included, I don't have anything against the French. I might actually end up working there soon. I have several friends there. I can break bread and drink wine with people I disagree with politically, and so can they. I also understand at least some of the dynamics of their situation and also have been a student of history for 40 years.

 

That's about as "mature" as I'll get at this point.

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Sorry, I'll try to explain.

(I gotta be quick... it's a beautiful day, and my kayak's calling!) :smilie:

 

I think what I mean when I say "Blind Nationalism" is that WMD's and the Iraqii threat were the main reasons why you invaded Iraq.

Many Americans and most of the world did not agree that immediate invasion was a justified action, however, your President assured everyone that he and his people knew exactly what was really going on and that we should "trust him" and ignore other members of the international community.

 

Quite frankly and no offense I hope, we all thought he was full of ****.

 

Using the gift of hindsight, we now know how horrifically wrong his was. (Look at the chaos that has exploded.)

 

Yet... there seems to be a steady stream of unquestioned support for Bush on this message board. Is there every going to be accountability or is it going to go forgotten in US history?

 

That's what I mean.

 

Off to the beach!

 

 

 

 

Blind nationalism, depends on what you mean...do we blindly support this President...no, do we think of foreign policy in term of the U.S. v. the rest of the World, probably, but not more than say the Chinese, the French, Germans etc.  I am not sure that the statement is a meaningful one.  Please clarify?

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Sorry, I'll try to explain. 

(I gotta be quick... it's a beautiful day, and my kayak's calling!)  :smilie:

 

I think what I mean when I say "Blind Nationalism" is that WMD's and the Iraqii threat were the main reasons why you invaded Iraq.

Many Americans and most of the world did not agree that immediate invasion was a justified action, however, your President assured everyone that he and his people knew exactly what was really going on and that we should "trust him" and ignore other members of the international community. 

 

Quite frankly and no offense I hope, we all thought he was full of ****.

 

Using the gift of hindsight, we now know how horrifically wrong his was.  (Look at the chaos that has exploded.)

 

Yet... there seems to be a steady stream of unquestioned support for Bush on this message board.  Is there every going to be accountability or is it going to go forgotten in US history?

 

That's what I mean.

 

Off to the beach!

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Those oil cans before the beach can be a B word, can't they? Glad you are getting an early start to the coast. I always tried to get us on the road by 8 AM.

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Bush has said that any country that support terrorists, or supports a nation that supports terrorists, is an enemy of the US. If he's going to hold to his position that Iraq/Saddam supported terrorists, and Russia aided them, then what actions will Bush take against Russia?

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Bush has said that any country that support terrorists, or supports a nation that supports terrorists, is an enemy of the US. If he's going to hold to his position that Iraq/Saddam supported terrorists, and Russia aided them, then what actions will Bush take against Russia?

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Oh, God... I don't know.

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There are people on this board that are insulting the French again.  Why?

Because hundreds of thousands, if not millions of their youth are out in the streets executing their democratic responsibility toward their society. Yet,  the US seems to be too busy to notice, question or even care about anything if that means turning off the TV and getting off  the couch and do something about it.

 

 

This is the most laughably pathetic perversion of reality that I've read here in a long time.

 

Yeah, those French students are really fighting hard to help the long term prospects of their country. :lol::lol:

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Sorry, I was tipping a Toyota. Sorry about the kid in the back seat. I'm a nationalist.

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Thats ok, I was in a chevy diesel pickup with buds on a memorial weekend camping trip. Some inconsiderate mass-hole parked his toyota in the middle of the loggin road blocking passage. We dumped it in the ditch. We were on a mission for wood.

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