To all who say 7 games isn't enough to judge JP

[Ghost of BiB]

Like I said, you're an idiot.

 

And if you want to play 15 year old pimple faced dork-geek comebacks, I can do that too and walk away not caring. But, I might post again because...why not?

 

Bet you can't resist that, can you? Let's see if you can resist another dumb assed comeback?

 

I'll spot you a bag of Cheetos, and a tube of acne cream.

[VABills]

Like I said, you're an idiot.

 

And if you want to play 15 year old pimple faced dork-geek comebacks, I can do that too and walk away not caring. But, I might post again because...why not?

 

Bet you can't resist that, can you? Let's see if you can resist another dumb assed comeback?

 

I'll spot you a bag of Cheetos, and a tube of acne cream.

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You didn't double dog dare him.

[Ghost of BiB]

You didn't double dog dare him.

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I double dog dare. Ever seen sunlight? Much less a female?

 

Any species will do.

 

Vendetta people who can't make a point piss me off, but that's just me. If you want to forward whatever it is you think an argument to your cause is, stick with one. Don't change it and think you are smart. Let alone think anyone else thinks you are.

 

Cheesy yellow keyboard?

[Risin]

I think there's a difference between "different" and "better."    But no, I do not believe that the huge gap in performance last year between Losman and Holcomb can be explained by play-calling.  I think that execution was a much larger explanatory factor, or in JP's case, the lack thereof.

 

JDG

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Kind of like Kurt Warner's production, or in Eli's case, the lack thereof, 2 seasons ago.

 

Warner 174 of 277 62.8 pct. 2054 yards 6 td's 4 int's 86.5 rating

 

 

Manning 95 of 197 48.2 pct. 1043 yards 6 td's 9 int's 55.4 rating

 

 

Looked like their decision to give Eli another shot, before dumping him, wasn't a bad idea.

 

Sorry someone had to bring facts into the argument with you, again.

[The Dean]

I don't understand what you're getting at. 

Don't you think some of those differences were largely because of:

Different opponenets?

Different capabilities of the QB's?

The fact that one QB was better able to check off?

Opponent gameplanning different QB's differently?

Different QB's making different decisions as to where to throw the ball?

 

Or are you saying the coaches intentionally put JP in a position to fail?  They purposely asked a rookie QB to do more than a 10 year veteran?

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I wish to hell i could figure out why the coashes did what they did. I am NOT saying the coaches intentionally put JP in a position to fail...that makes no sense. (OTOH, I can find few sensible reasons for what they did.)

 

The seemd to call more plays that take long to develop when JP played. This may be because he had the arm to get the ball downfield and the legs to avoid the rush...but to put a totally inexperienced guy in that situation did NOT help him develop. Sticking with the run, calling plays that develop quickly, using the tight end, etc, all seem to be better ways to bring along a young QB than to "go vertical" with a terrible OL....and abandon the run early in the 2nd quarter.

 

It's possible that KH simply went to the short option nearly all the time (therby making the safe short game his OWN game plan) so it only seemed safe routes were being called when he played...it's possible. but, it seemed clear the Bills ran with more conviction in the KH games. Do i think that was due to QB skills or opponants? No...I think the coaches panicked.

[Simon]

It's possible that KH simply went to the short option nearly all the time (therby making the safe short game his OWN game plan) so it only seemed safe routes were being called when he played

I didn't really notice a largely appreciable difference in the Bills offensive playcalling.

W/o doing an in-depth analysis of hours of coaching film we can't really say for sure, but I got the sense that the apparent disparity in the Bills attack was primarily a result of veteran Holcomb making quicker reads than rookie Losman. Not to mention that Holcomb was far more willing to check down and get the ball out quicker due to a well-developed sense of self-preservation which was far superior to Losman's, who like most 20somethings, still considers himself indestructable.

Cya

[JDG]

Kind of like Kurt Warner's production,  or in Eli's case,  the lack thereof,  2 seasons ago.

 

Warner 174 of 277  62.8 pct.  2054 yards  6 td's  4 int's  86.5 rating

Manning  95 of 197  48.2 pct.  1043 yards  6 td's  9 int's  55.4 rating

Looked like their decision to give Eli another shot,  before dumping him,  wasn't a bad idea.

 

Sorry someone had to bring facts into the argument with you,  again.

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The difference between the two stat lines must have been the play-calling.......

 

JDG

[JDG]

I didn't really notice a largely appreciable difference in the Bills offensive playcalling.

W/o doing an in-depth analysis of hours of coaching film we can't really say for sure, but I got the sense that the apparent disparity in the Bills attack was primarily a result of veteran Holcomb making quicker reads than rookie Losman. Not to mention that Holcomb was far more willing to check down and get the ball out quicker due to a well-developed sense of self-preservation which was far superior to Losman's, who like most 20somethings, still considers himself indestructable.

Cya

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This is my general assessment as well - but like you said, I certainly can't prove it.

 

JDG

 

P.S. To Ghost of BiB - I don't know what I ever did to piss you off, but I am certainly as capable of ignoring your foul-mouthed posts as much as I am capable of ignoring Ramius' posts of the same. Whatever.... You can now feel free to put in the last word, since that seems to be what you want....

[Ghost of BiB]

The difference between the two stat lines must have been the play-calling.......  

 

JDG

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OK, you are purposely a parody, right? Was I the last to get the joke? Wouldn't be the first time.

 

Hey everyone, back off. I can be juvenile too.

 

Like I said, you couldn't resist.

[Orton's Arm]

Like I said, you're an idiot.

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I just jumped to the last page of this thread, and this is the first thing I saw. I'm shocked--shocked!--that a thread involving J.P. Losman could possibly degenerate into namecalling. Who'd have thunk it?

[cåblelady]

I just jumped to the last page of this thread, and this is the first thing I saw. I'm shocked--shocked!--that a thread involving J.P. Losman could possibly degenerate into namecalling. Who'd have thunk it?

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Noodle Arm.

[The Rev.Mattb74 ESQ.]

Is there a record for most comments on a post, and is this one getting close.... Oh ya Losman Blah, Blah, B,Blah,Blah,BlllAh

[Orton's Arm]

When it comes to QB's 7 games is not enough time. They need 1 or 2 full years to develop.

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Losman's had 8 1/2 games last year: Houston, Tampa Bay, Atlanta, New Orleans, 1/2 Kansas City, San Diego, Carolina, Miami, and New England. His 8 1/2 games only seem like seven because some of those performances were so forgettable!

[Orton's Arm]

Noodle Arm. 

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Think of me as a guy who knows how to use his noodle!

[BuffaloTendencies]

Can't beleive this thread is still going. Manning went 3-13 his first year, JP is about half way there and should get credit for the KC game since he was in it almost the whole way through. Manning had Marvin to throw to, so he had some weapons. It takes time, Mularky should have left JP in last year and we would at least have gotten a little further. He was trying to save his butt then he dumped and ran. What a punk.