VABills Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 Green Bay's offensive line hasn't exactly been All Pro these last few years either. 639084[/snapback] Rivera and Flanagan both went last year.
EC-Bills Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 Rivera and Flanagan both went last year. 639142[/snapback] How could Rivera go to the Pro Bowl for GB if he's playing for Dallas?
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 Could this be our next Bledsoe clone? Big strong armed QB that can`t move.I hope J. P. get`s his **** together this training camp. Let`s Go BUFFFFFFAAAALLLLOOOOOOO.
IDBillzFan Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 I like J.P., but he is a Cali kid. 637479[/snapback] Exactly what the hell does that have to do with anything? Oh...is he a surfer boy? Is he, like, totally sooooo yesterday, dude? Seriously. Being a quarterback from California became a bad thing...WHEN exactly?
Orton's Arm Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 Could this be our next Bledsoe clone? Big strong armed QB that can`t move.I hope J. P. get`s his **** together this training camp. Let`s Go BUFFFFFFAAAALLLLOOOOOOO. 639338[/snapback] Tom Brady and Dan Marino have the mobility of three legged tortoises. But they've done okay. What Brady had that Bledsoe didn't was the ability to see the field quickly, and to get rid of the ball in a hurry. If Nall has this same ability, he'll do fine.
VABills Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 How could Rivera go to the Pro Bowl for GB if he's playing for Dallas? 639229[/snapback] Last year. The season prior. Whatever, you know what I mean. In fact Rivera went 2 years in a row for Green Bay. That was Green Bays big problem last year they were getting rid of their oline studs, who were very good.
ajzepp Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 Tom Brady and Dan Marino have the mobility of three legged tortoises. But they've done okay. What Brady had that Bledsoe didn't was the ability to see the field quickly, and to get rid of the ball in a hurry. If Nall has this same ability, he'll do fine. 639446[/snapback] Exactly. Brady makes quick decisions and Marino had a quick release. Both of those can make up for a slow body. I don't know anything about Craig Nall one way or the other, so it'll be interesting to see how he does.
Guest BackInDaDay Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 I don't know anything about Craig Nall one way or the other639511[/snapback] Well then here's something to think about. The Packers drafted Nall in '02, had him on the roster for 3 seasons, and decided they needed to draft QB Aaron Rogers in '05. He's had less snaps than Losman in the NFL and tends to be inaccurate, says his QB coach. Here's the link... http://www.packers.com/pdfs/nall05.pdf Gee, ya think maybe he's inconsistent beCAUSE HE NEVER GOT TO PLAY! So now we've got two projects backing up our backup.
Orton's Arm Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 Well then here's something to think about. The Packers drafted Nall in '02, had him on the roster for 3 seasons, and decided they needed to draft QB Aaron Rogers in '05. He's had less snaps than Losman in the NFL and tends to be inaccurate, says his QB coach. Here's the link... http://www.packers.com/pdfs/nall05.pdf Gee, ya think maybe he's inconsistent beCAUSE HE NEVER GOT TO PLAY! So now we've got two projects backing up our backup. 639669[/snapback] That link took me to a generalized Packers news page, and I couldn't find any link specific to Nall. Maybe they've changed the page. Lately I've sensed a hint of pessimism creeping into some of your posts.
EC-Bills Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 Last year. The season prior. Whatever, you know what I mean. In fact Rivera went 2 years in a row for Green Bay. That was Green Bays big problem last year they were getting rid of their oline studs, who were very good. 639469[/snapback]
EC-Bills Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 As a general warning, be careful of Craig Nall. I have him on Madden 2006. He doesn't like riding the bench and is a distraction in the clubhouse.
Guest BackInDaDay Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 That link took me to a generalized Packers news page, and I couldn't find any link specific to Nall. Maybe they've changed the page. Lately I've sensed a hint of pessimism creeping into some of your posts. 639677[/snapback] Works for me. The link is to an Acrobat file(pdf) which can also be reached by going to www.packers.com, find Nall on their roster and choose his Complete Bio. Bottom line, he's another question mark in the QB depth chart. Accuracy is the result of confidence. Confidence is the result of experience. Experience is the result of playing. "Lately I've sensed a hint of pessimism creeping into some of your posts." Well, our owner seems to have fully embraced an isolationist policy towards the league, it's owners and it's players. He thinks he's getting the short end of the stick because the league isn't handing him enough money. Pulling himself into his financial cocoon to prove his point that the Bills can't compete for personnel is childish and spiteful. He could do more. I'm optimistic that Levy is capable of finding diamonds in the rough to fill out our roster, but understanding that he's working within such constrained parameters pisses me off. Maybe I'm just pissimistic. This age of Bills fandom is reminiscent of the days prior to FA, when there was little a club could do to better itself. I think the most notable players in this league excel. They make plays that affect the game's outcome. They do this on a consistent basis. They become known for their prowess to accomplish this. Not too complicated. Every great team has a bunch of these players. Players who bring up their team-mate's level of play. From our current roster, I'd say we have one, Takeo Spikes, and he's coming back from an injury. Athletes who've been in the league for 3 years or more, and haven't excelled, may be the victims of circumstance. Odds are, they're just not 'difference makers'. Your boy, Kelly, falls into this category. Unfortunately for Bills fans, Holcomb's ability to read the D will probably net him the starting QB position over the newbies. We don't have a dominant enough O-line to afford the luxury of a mediocre QB. Anticipating the blitz and avoiding the sack by completing your 3rd down pass short of the 1st down marker isn't going to win many games. But it's OK. No Bills fan will ever look down their nose at a 100% effort, even if it can't match what's being thrown at them.
Orton's Arm Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 Well, our owner seems to have fully embraced an isolationist policy towards the league, it's owners and it's players. He thinks he's getting the short end of the stick because the league isn't handing him enough money. Pulling himself into his financial cocoon to prove his point that the Bills can't compete for personnel is childish and spiteful. He could do more. . . . But it's OK. No Bills fan will ever look down their nose at a 100% effort, even if it can't match what's being thrown at them. 639872[/snapback] I'm not 100% sold on the idea of Wilson pulling back into the cocoon, but beyond that there's a lot I agree with in your post. The Bills' real problem isn't that they're failing to buy a high profile team in free agency, so much as that there's no foundation upon which to build. Look at TD's first round draft picks: 2001: Nate Clements. Result: contract expired after five years, is now franchised. 2002: Mike Williams. Result: cut after just four years. 2003a: traded for Drew Bledsoe. Result: Bledsoe was cut after just three years. 2003b: Willis McGahee. Result: failed to provide enough of an upgrade over Henry to justify first round status. 2004a: Lee Evans. Result: chosen 13th overall, there's considerable doubt about whether Evans can ever be the go-to guy. 2004b: Losman. Result: is in significant danger of losing out to Craig Nall, the Packers' 3rd string QB. While I said pessimism was creeping into your posts, you'll notice I didn't say it wasn't justified!
Orton's Arm Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 Works for me. The link is to an Acrobat file(pdf) which can also be reached by going to www.packers.com, find Nall on their roster and choose his Complete Bio.Bottom line, he's another question mark in the QB depth chart. Accuracy is the result of confidence. Confidence is the result of experience. Experience is the result of playing. Just got done reading that bio. My biggest concern was the accuracy comment you mentioned, as well as his poor performance in the 2003 preseason. The fact that Green Bay was eager to draft Losman, and later drafted Craig Rogers, doesn't bode well. On the other hand, he hasn't had a world of game experience. He was only a starter in one year in college. He improved during his time in NFL Europe; doing a lot better in the second half of the year than the first half. The bio did mention his strong arm, big hands, quick release, good footwork, and most importantly, his ability to make good decisions. On the other hand, team websites usually aren't known for pointing out every last flaw a player might have. I noticed he played quite well in Green Bay's season finale against the #1 ranked Bears defense. Nall played from the 2nd quarter on, going 7/13 for 131 yards and a TD; including two passes of 25 yards or more. Like you said, the guy's a question mark. But there's a possibility he's a talented player that just needs to be given a chance.
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