THE MEDIA! Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 And who is giving you your information about the place being a "trainwreck"??? The media! I'll tell you what, when you show me the New York Times article about how happy the families of the fallen soldiers were to meet the President and how excited the autistic kid was to escort the President to his limo I'll stop blaming the media. Do you really believe there is no credibility issue with the national media when it comes to reporting on this administration? How many fake memos have to come out before you see the light? I guess I need to start writing good news on a protest placard and maybe they will cover me by mistake. 630486[/snapback] Oh come on, you loved it when we did it to Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Never mind that the iraqis are attending school in record numbers or that the violence is largely confined to the Sunni triangle or that the iraqi peopel ahave a free press and elections or... 630464[/snapback] Do you think that the latest rounds of violence and --don't anyone dare say civil war-- infighting are more newsworthy? The threat of that kind of fighting which cannot be said is certainly pretty newsworthy, especially given our confident rhetoric about the Iraq situation for the last two years. I'm glad they are going to school and had a democratic election, but I'm pretty effing worried that our half a trillion dollar nation-building project will be a complete bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Do you think that the latest rounds of violence and --don't anyone dare say civil war-- infighting are more newsworthy? The threat of that kind of fighting which cannot be said is certainly pretty newsworthy, especially given our confident rhetoric about the Iraq situation for the last two years. I'm glad they are going to school and had a democratic election, but I'm pretty effing worried that our half a trillion dollar nation-building project will be a complete bust. 630857[/snapback] The point is that they can report both good and bad if they wanted to. How hard is it to understand that concept? Nobody is saying we should be shielded from any bad news, just give us the whole story. For every bit of "confident rhetoric" from the right there is just as much negative rhetoric from the left. I guess I would rather be confident than negative all the time, but that's the difference between Liberals and Conservatives. Annoy a Liberal...work hard, succeed, be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 A major operation by Al Qaeda that would have had 400 men infiltrating the Iraqi police force and would have taken over the US and UK embassies in Baghdad (OUTSIDE the Sunni triangle, Joe) was thwarted. 630499[/snapback] That's bad news? A major successful operation, maybe... While I think the media's full of sh-- almost all the time...it strikes me that the media's reporting of "only" bad news may have something to do with the American public's inability to discern good news from bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromagnum Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 The point is that they can report both good and bad if they wanted to. How hard is it to understand that concept? Nobody is saying we should be shielded from any bad news, just give us the whole story. For every bit of "confident rhetoric" from the right there is just as much negative rhetoric from the left. I guess I would rather be confident than negative all the time, but that's the difference between Liberals and Conservatives. Annoy a Liberal...work hard, succeed, be happy. 630982[/snapback] The media reported, what the administration was selling. For instance WMD's untill that proved untrue. The media reported how iraq oil will pay for iraq reconstruction untill that proved untrue. The media reported that us military would be seen as liberators and have flowers thrown at the troops untill that proved untrue. The media reported how the powell doctrine was not needed for invading iraq untill that proved untrue. The media reported that there was no guerilla war in iraq untill that proved untrue We have heard the confident message, And were praying that iraq does not fall into a civil war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/news/story?id=2368193 Meeting the President has to be the second thrill of a lifetime for him. Nice job, GW. I give you enough crap, when you do a decent thing it deserves at least some acknowledgment. Not that it wasn't a photo-op, but still... 629757[/snapback] My son was austic and also the manager of his school basketball team the year before he died at age 14. It would have been funny to see Nick with GWB had he had the chance...but perhaps not. He was not a fan of GWB. That said I'm sure he would have at least experienced shock and awe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 The point is that they can report both good and bad if they wanted to. How hard is it to understand that concept? Nobody is saying we should be shielded from any bad news, just give us the whole story. For every bit of "confident rhetoric" from the right there is just as much negative rhetoric from the left. I guess I would rather be confident than negative all the time, but that's the difference between Liberals and Conservatives. Annoy a Liberal...work hard, succeed, be happy. 630982[/snapback] Well. You heard about Iraqis going to school in record numbers from some media outlet didn't you? Do you think that THAT story is more newsworthy than 89 bodies found in a mass grave? Or 80+ people executed? Jeez. Reporting that kind of horror is not "negative rhetoric" or being "negative all the time." If those things weren't happening, more good news might be forthcoming from Iraq. But the violent escalation of late is pretty GD newsworthy, especially when you're the one paying for the nation-building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 That's bad news? A major successful operation, maybe... While I think the media's full of sh-- almost all the time...it strikes me that the media's reporting of "only" bad news may have something to do with the American public's inability to discern good news from bad... 631080[/snapback] Geez, youre such a one trick pony. "The American public are morons." We know! Sure, it can be considered a success story taken at face value. But if you step back a bit, the fact that 400 Al Qaeda operatives got this close to carrying out this operation cannot be considered "good". IMO, this event can be interpreted either way and used to support either position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 The point is that they can report both good and bad if they wanted to. How hard is it to understand that concept? Nobody is saying we should be shielded from any bad news, just give us the whole story. For every bit of "confident rhetoric" from the right there is just as much negative rhetoric from the left. I guess I would rather be confident than negative all the time, but that's the difference between Liberals and Conservatives. Annoy a Liberal...work hard, succeed, be happy. 630982[/snapback] How is media coverage of Iraq any different than media coverage of anything? The media, whether you like it or not, whether you think it is slanted one way or the other politically, always covers bad news - somehow it is more newsworthy. Reporting on dozens of executed bodies being found daily, car bombs and attacks on mosques gets more attention than how many kids are going to scholl or how many more people have running water today in contrast with the number last month. By the same token, I also the fires and murders on my local news get more attention than the stories or cats being rescued from trees or girl scout troops singing for people at retirement homes. It's true what they say - if it bleeds it leads... We should hear about the humanitarian success in Iraq, just like we should hear about the girl scouts on the local news, but to expect that they should somehow receive the same attention and "balance out" the coverage is crazy - they're just not equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE MEDIA! Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Isn't it ironic? People here are on a message board because they share enjoyment of a sport where 22 people are pummelling one another for 4 hours straight. Yet they don't realize that conflict, strife and violence are bigger "difference-makers" in the news than sharing, caring and helping. We'll start running puppy shows as the lede in the sports section and then the public will love us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Isn't it ironic? People here are on a message board because they share enjoyment of a sport where 22 people are pummelling one another for 4 hours straight. Yet they don't realize that conflict, strife and violence are bigger "difference-makers" in the news than sharing, caring and helping. We'll start running puppy shows as the lede in the sports section and then the public will love us. 632041[/snapback] The Media never makes mistakes. They're always right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE MEDIA! Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 lede No free subscription for you, my friend. Don't criticize the lingo if you don't know it. Now if you don't mind, I've got a puppy story to file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 You think RK is a liberal? 630614[/snapback] C'mon, that deserved the big laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Think Progress points out the hypocrisy of Dubya's photo op. - In his proposed budget for next year, Bush has cut all funding for the National Children's Study, a project that planned to investigate the causes of autism, asthma, and other serious illnesses. - The President’s budget will eliminate Medicaid reimbursements for schoolchildren with disabilities, denying them "access to medical services they need to fully participate in school and learn to their greatest abilities.” - The number of children diagnosed with autism and served by schools under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) increased by more than 500 percent in the last decade, according to the Government Accountability Office (GAO). The President’s FY07 budget, however, will fund IDEA at $6.3 billion below the amount Congress recomended. (Links via Think Progress. The first link is, ironically, from the Autism Society of America, specifically linking to a letter urging the Senate Appropriations Committee to restore funding.) Nice photo op, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Think Progress points out the hypocrisy of Dubya's photo op.(Links via Think Progress. The first link is, ironically, from the Autism Society of America, specifically linking to a letter urging the Senate Appropriations Committee to restore funding.) Nice photo op, though. 632651[/snapback] Thank you for proving my point about the media turning a nice moment into a negative stroy. It's always funny to hear groups that rely on getting free $ from the government complaining that they don't get enough free $. I bet the top executives for many of these "not for profit" organizations are making a fortune (and taking $ away from Autistic children). Let's not forget that Mediciad is a welfare program. Be happy that you are recieving money from the hard working people of this country. Just because I work hard and plan ahead doesn't necessarily mean someone else deserves my $. If there are things that health insurance won't cover, then by all means use medicare and medicaid. If you had children without first having health insurance and the income to support them I don't feel much sympathy for you. I feel sympathy for the children. Nobody plans for Autism when having a child and I understand the need for things like special programs at schools. Let's hold the Schools accountable for the millions they waste already and the outrageous buyouts they give to incompetent administrators. ie: Greece and Rochester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Thank you for proving my point about the media turning a nice moment into a negative stroy. It's always funny to hear groups that rely on getting free $ from the government complaining that they don't get enough free $. I bet the top executives for many of these "not for profit" organizations are making a fortune (and taking $ away from Autistic children). Let's not forget that Mediciad is a welfare program. Be happy that you are recieving money from the hard working people of this country. Just because I work hard and plan ahead doesn't necessarily mean someone else deserves my $. If there are things that health insurance won't cover, then by all means use medicare and medicaid. If you had children without first having health insurance and the income to support them I don't feel much sympathy for you. I feel sympathy for the children. Nobody plans for Autism when having a child and I understand the need for things like special programs at schools. Let's hold the Schools accountable for the millions they waste already and the outrageous buyouts they give to incompetent administrators. ie: Greece and Rochester. 633167[/snapback] Wing, quoting Michael Savage et al, doesn't make the media liberal. Those guys make Rush look liberal, so if you are that far right foget about it. The media comes in all different stripes and currently slants to the right, look at the ownership. And while schools have many problems and money is not the answer to many of them, when locals put priority on good schools they usually very good. Still your criticisms are simplistics and self-serving. Most execs at non-profits, at least the ones that do the most work don't get paid a lot. The ones that do are wasting money, but differentiating would take too much intellectual work for the kind of statements that you are making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Wing, quoting Michael Savage et al, doesn't make the media liberal. Those guys make Rush look liberal, so if you are that far right foget about it. The media comes in all different stripes and currently slants to the right, look at the ownership. And while schools have many problems and money is not the answer to many of them, when locals put priority on good schools they usually very good. Still your criticisms are simplistics and self-serving. Most execs at non-profits, at least the ones that do the most work don't get paid a lot. The ones that do are wasting money, but differentiating would take too much intellectual work for the kind of statements that you are making. 634867[/snapback] Before questioning my intellect, please proofread your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Before questioning my intellect, please proofread your post. 634873[/snapback] Says dude who misspelled "story" and "Medicaid" in his previous post, while running about three different paragraphs together. Nice job, "Norman" Einstein. Thank you for proving my point about the media turning a nice moment into a negative stroy. It's always funny to hear groups that rely on getting free $ from the government complaining that they don't get enough free $. I bet the top executives for many of these "not for profit" organizations are making a fortune (and taking $ away from Autistic children). Let's not forget that Mediciad is a welfare program. Be happy that you are recieving money from the hard working people of this country. Just because I work hard and plan ahead doesn't necessarily mean someone else deserves my $. If there are things that health insurance won't cover, then by all means use medicare and medicaid. If you had children without first having health insurance and the income to support them I don't feel much sympathy for you. I feel sympathy for the children. Nobody plans for Autism when having a child and I understand the need for things like special programs at schools. Let's hold the Schools accountable for the millions they waste already and the outrageous buyouts they give to incompetent administrators. ie: Greece and Rochester. 633167[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Says dude who misspelled "story" and "Medicaid" in his previous post, while running about three different paragraphs together. Nice job, "Norman" Einstein. 634884[/snapback] Do you really want to compare mistakes? Let's look at this post. "Whoa is me. I'm sure you'll send a check to your local Planned Parenthood charity. Won't someone please lobby the government to provide me a new Z06, because I'd be a less of a boon to society if I had one." I think you meant, woe is me, not whoa. And a boon is a benefit, not something negative. My mistakes were typos, but at least I know what the words I use mean. Thanks for your two cents though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Do you really want to compare mistakes? Let's look at this post. "Whoa is me. I'm sure you'll send a check to your local Planned Parenthood charity. Won't someone please lobby the government to provide me a new Z06, because I'd be a less of a boon to society if I had one." I think you meant, woe is me, not whoa. And a boon is a benefit, not something negative. My mistakes were typos, but at least I know what the words I use mean. Thanks for your two cents though! 634942[/snapback] No, hypocrite. I was simply pointing out one shouldn't give someone crap about proofreading when just ONE POST PREVIOUSLY they did pretty much the same thing. As for my mistakes, I make them all the time. The "whoa" one is definitely one of them. I'll even bet I've made it 20 times before on this very board, which I'm sure you'll be able to find if you wanted to spend the time. For a long time I misspelled "definitely" for no good reason. I guess that makes me an inferior intellect - which is DEFINITELY something I can live with because I stopped caring about my popularity and social standing long before I graduated high school. The "boon" comment was intentional. If I had a cool sportscar that I didn't have to pay for, I'd certainly be less productive, ergo less of a boon. You haven't been around long, so I'll give you a pass for not getting my particular brand of sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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