VABills Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 First off Va, we disagree on a lot of things. 619262[/snapback] That's pertinant, and I care why? BTW, I too have them and was copying to DVD which gave me the opportunity to rewatch them. Hence, the reason I know. The Cincy game IMHO is where he really shined. BTW, so glad that you know so much about what it takes to be a guard in the NFL and that it is so easy to switch from side to side. Seems to be that when you do that your instincts to react based on direction changes since you have to look and react differently depending on the side. But since you obviously have played as an NFL guard an know all that I'll defer to your vaste personal knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stl Bills Posted March 6, 2006 Author Share Posted March 6, 2006 And your experience must tell you how difficult it must be. Don't get your panties in a bunch, I was just stating my opinion, not attacking yours. You do a hell of a job proving your point though, providing ONE instance where BA might of played a decent game. Great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 He stole the combination to Chuck Lester's locker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaDairis Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Bennie is a certified disaster. He was a disaster with the Ravens, which is why they let him go. Only the Bills were dumb enough to pay up for him. "Big = good" got us Big Mike and Bennie. Nice theory... Either pick up a FA, draft a new OG, or give Geisinger a chance. The difference between Geisinger and Bennie is that Bennie has proven that he sukks, while we aren't sure of that about Geisinger until he gets a chance to prove it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Bennie is a certified disaster. He was a disaster with the Ravens, which is why they let him go. Only the Bills were dumb enough to pay up for him. "Big = good" got us Big Mike and Bennie. Nice theory... Either pick up a FA, draft a new OG, or give Geisinger a chance. The difference between Geisinger and Bennie is that Bennie has proven that he sukks, while we aren't sure of that about Geisinger until he gets a chance to prove it... 619461[/snapback] Bravo! Bennie is a fat bag of $&$t. Even if Geisenger CAN play, this position needs to be strongly addressed in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfladave Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Bravo! Bennie is a fat bag of $&$t. Even if Geisenger CAN play, this position needs to be strongly addressed in the draft. 619466[/snapback] Preferably in FA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Bennie is a certified disaster. He was a disaster with the Ravens, which is why they let him go. Only the Bills were dumb enough to pay up for him. "Big = good" got us Big Mike and Bennie. Nice theory... Either pick up a FA, draft a new OG, or give Geisinger a chance. The difference between Geisinger and Bennie is that Bennie has proven that he sukks, while we aren't sure of that about Geisinger until he gets a chance to prove it... 619461[/snapback] Shhh.... He played like a probowler in the Cinncy game . Watch the tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Shhh.... He played like a probowler in the Cinncy game . Watch the tape. 619470[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Two other factors: (1) If you wait until after FA, you will know what you have/don't have on the line to work with. Just because you want a Guard doesn't mean you are going to get one in free agency. (2) If we draft, say, Charles Spencer or Deuce Latui in RD#2, they may need time in preseason and even into the year to work into starting for us. Bennie is a known commodity who may sukk, but he's cheap enough to keep on the roster until we're assured we have a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Preferably in FA! 619468[/snapback] I disagree my friend. Click here and scroll down to 2/4/06. This link explains the success rate of teams who draft OGs in round 1. Look at the available free agent OGs this year. Who do you like after Hutch who of couse has the transition tag designation? AKC has posted many times that DTs are becoming as vital as DEs. If he is right (and when you disagee with him you will be wrong more often than not ), Guards will also play a more vital role. Since Ruben Brown was drafted, the Bills have only had one other Guard who was any good, Villarial in 04, and even at that he had that injured elbow. I am hoping that the Bills draft some talented OGs rather than bring in another tired version of Bennie Anderson, Joe Panos, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Again not sure what you guys are seeing, but I'll take a professional scouting view and my own observations: 2005 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc. Grade: 72 | Key Alert: None Comment: He is a nasty player that is very physical at the point of attack and undersized interior defenders are a mismatch against him. He is a mauler with the ability to move the pile and create seams, even vs. the premier two gap defenders. As a pass protector, Anderson displays the ability to react to what he sees and has a nice feel for picking up stunts and recognizing the blitz. He can handle any defender of equal size and bulk to his own and can really anchor the point vs. the league's best bull rushers. However, Anderson does not possess great overall athletic ability and his agility is hampered by his weight. He is not in great condition and would really benefit from losing twenty pounds. He lacks initial quickness off the football and as a result, he struggles to get to the second level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Again not sure what you guys are seeing, but I'll take a professional scouting view and my own observations: 2005 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc. Grade: 72 | Key Alert: None 619509[/snapback] Tell me more about that scouting service. How many starting offensive guards have a grade lower than 72? How many are higher, and how high do the grades go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Tell me more about that scouting service. How many starting offensive guards have a grade lower than 72? How many are higher, and how high do the grades go? 619549[/snapback] Grading is : 100-90 Elite Player 89-80 Outstanding Player 79-75 Solid Starter 74-70 Good Starter 69-65 Adequate Starter 64-60 Good Backup 59-55 Adequate Backup 54-50 Marginal Backup 49-45 Poor Player 30 Developmental Player These are the only guys higher then a 72: 1 Will Shields OG KC A 83 He has shown excelle... More 2 Alan Faneca OG PIT -- 81 He is excellent in p... More 3 Steve Hutchinson OG SEA -- 80 He'll occasionally h... More 4 Eric Steinbach OG CIN -- 79 Very good toughness ... More Brian Waters OG KC -- 79 He is a shorter star... More Mike Wahle OG CAR -- 79 Plays with good leve... More 7 Larry Allen OG DAL -- 78 Possesses excellent ... More Damien Woody OG DET -- 78 He has excellent str... More 9 Marco Rivera OG DAL ID 77 Plays with a mean st... More Randy Thomas OG WAS -- 77 Thomas has good init... More RK PLAYER POS TEAM ALERT GRADE COMMENT Vince Manuwai OG JAC -- 77 He has an excellent ... More 12 Chris Villarrial OG BUF -- 76 He's a tough, blue-c... More Brandon Moore OG NYJ B 76 Is consistent with h... More Edwin Mulitalo OG BAL -- 76 He will lock his arm... More 15 Cosey Coleman OG CLE -- 75 Comes off the ball h... More Adam Timmerman OG STL A 75 Gets excellent hand ... More Toniu Fonoti OG MIN M 75 He is a mauler OG th... More Jermane Mayberry OG NO -- 75 He shows that he has... More 19 Benji Olson OG TEN -- 74 He gets movement at ... More Jeno James OG MIA D 74 He does a good job w... More RK PLAYER POS TEAM ALERT GRADE COMMENT Pete Kendall OG NYJ BD 74 He's a hard worker a... More Chris Naeole OG JAC -- 74 He is a tough and co... More 23 Ross Verba OG CLE -- 73 He is a little short... More Ben Hamilton OG DEN -- 73 Hamilton gets good k... More And just for fun here are the guys at or below 70. 25 Bennie Anderson OG BUF -- 72 He is a nasty player... More Ruben Brown OG CHI -- 72 He has good running ... More Rick DeMulling OG DET -- 72 He keeps his head up... More Zach Piller OG TEN I 72 He is a highly intel... More Sean Mahan OG TB -- 72 He is much better in... More Chester Pitts OG HOU -- 72 He has very good siz... More RK PLAYER POS TEAM ALERT GRADE COMMENT 31 Kynan Forney OG ATL -- 71 Runs well and has th... More Chris Liwienski OG MIN -- 71 Can anchor vs. the b... More Chris Snee OG NYG -- 71 He doesn't lose many... More Shawn Andrews OG PHI YI 71 He can dominate at t... More Kendall Simmons OG PIT DI 71 Possesses good bulk,... More Mike Goff OG SD -- 71 Shows good initial p... More Chris Gray OG SEA A 71 Possesses a strong u... More 38 Roberto Garza OG CHI -- 70 He has quick feet an... More Joe Andruzzi OG CLE D 70 He plays with a mean... More Russ Hochstein OG NE -- 70 He has an excellent ... More RK PLAYER POS TEAM ALERT GRADE COMMENT David Diehl OG NYG -- 70 He does not have gre... More Again B word all you want about Bennie, but he is still in the top 30 guards in the NFL with 32 teams that means he is well within starting quality. But of course we ran Rueban out of town, oh how he sucked. Tell me again. He has been a damn good guard for Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Grading is : 100-90 Elite Player 89-80 Outstanding Player 79-75 Solid Starter 74-70 Good Starter 69-65 Adequate Starter 64-60 Good Backup 59-55 Adequate Backup 54-50 Marginal Backup 49-45 Poor Player 30 Developmental Player These are the only guys higher then a 72: 1 Will Shields OG KC A 83 He has shown excelle... More 2 Alan Faneca OG PIT -- 81 He is excellent in p... More 3 Steve Hutchinson OG SEA -- 80 He'll occasionally h... More 4 Eric Steinbach OG CIN -- 79 Very good toughness ... More Brian Waters OG KC -- 79 He is a shorter star... More Mike Wahle OG CAR -- 79 Plays with good leve... More 7 Larry Allen OG DAL -- 78 Possesses excellent ... More Damien Woody OG DET -- 78 He has excellent str... More 9 Marco Rivera OG DAL ID 77 Plays with a mean st... More Randy Thomas OG WAS -- 77 Thomas has good init... More RK PLAYER POS TEAM ALERT GRADE COMMENT Vince Manuwai OG JAC -- 77 He has an excellent ... More 12 Chris Villarrial OG BUF -- 76 He's a tough, blue-c... More Brandon Moore OG NYJ B 76 Is consistent with h... More Edwin Mulitalo OG BAL -- 76 He will lock his arm... More 15 Cosey Coleman OG CLE -- 75 Comes off the ball h... More Adam Timmerman OG STL A 75 Gets excellent hand ... More Toniu Fonoti OG MIN M 75 He is a mauler OG th... More Jermane Mayberry OG NO -- 75 He shows that he has... More 19 Benji Olson OG TEN -- 74 He gets movement at ... More Jeno James OG MIA D 74 He does a good job w... More RK PLAYER POS TEAM ALERT GRADE COMMENT Pete Kendall OG NYJ BD 74 He's a hard worker a... More Chris Naeole OG JAC -- 74 He is a tough and co... More 23 Ross Verba OG CLE -- 73 He is a little short... More Ben Hamilton OG DEN -- 73 Hamilton gets good k... More And just for fun here are the guys at or below 70. 25 Bennie Anderson OG BUF -- 72 He is a nasty player... More Ruben Brown OG CHI -- 72 He has good running ... More Rick DeMulling OG DET -- 72 He keeps his head up... More Zach Piller OG TEN I 72 He is a highly intel... More Sean Mahan OG TB -- 72 He is much better in... More Chester Pitts OG HOU -- 72 He has very good siz... More RK PLAYER POS TEAM ALERT GRADE COMMENT 31 Kynan Forney OG ATL -- 71 Runs well and has th... More Chris Liwienski OG MIN -- 71 Can anchor vs. the b... More Chris Snee OG NYG -- 71 He doesn't lose many... More Shawn Andrews OG PHI YI 71 He can dominate at t... More Kendall Simmons OG PIT DI 71 Possesses good bulk,... More Mike Goff OG SD -- 71 Shows good initial p... More Chris Gray OG SEA A 71 Possesses a strong u... More 38 Roberto Garza OG CHI -- 70 He has quick feet an... More Joe Andruzzi OG CLE D 70 He plays with a mean... More Russ Hochstein OG NE -- 70 He has an excellent ... More RK PLAYER POS TEAM ALERT GRADE COMMENT David Diehl OG NYG -- 70 He does not have gre... More Again B word all you want about Bennie, but he is still in the top 30 guards in the NFL with 32 teams that means he is well within starting quality. But of course we ran Rueban out of town, oh how he sucked. Tell me again. He has been a damn good guard for Chicago. 619562[/snapback] Look how high they rate CV as well. Sorry, it looks bogus to me. You know why? Because last year, CV and BA both sucked. Yeah, they both painfully sucked. Does anybody care to chime in and agree/disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Look how high they rate CV as well. Sorry, it looks bogus to me. You know why? Because last year, CV and BA both sucked. Yeah, they both painfully sucked. Does anybody care to chime in and agree/disagree? 619602[/snapback] Not trying to be snide here, but since you seem to know so much, who on the list is so much better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Not trying to be snide here, but since you seem to know so much, who on the list is so much better? 619610[/snapback] No, I hear ya. Please, would you rather have either Anderson/Villarial, or Chris Snee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 No, I hear ya. Please, would you rather have either Anderson/Villarial, or Chris Snee? 619619[/snapback] As a right guard Anderson, of the three mentioned. However, probably Snee if a LG. But Snee is the RG for NYG isn't he? But he is lighter and can probably go in motion better. Bennie while he had good games pulling, he at times completely sucked trying to pull. Tell you what though, whoever the Giants Oline coach is I want, because he has taken basically the same group that Mcnally screwed up and and have turned them around. Mcnally on the other hand has taken some talented guys and made them look like crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Ruben Brown, the 64 year old guy run out of town, at LG. Mike Goff, a big mauler with more upside, at RG. Next question, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Just because you guys keep saying it doesn't mean Anderson is bad...... 618946[/snapback] Huh, I usually read people pretty well, but I admit I hadn't pegged you as a crackhead!-o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaDairis Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 All one needs to know about that scouting service is that it gives a high grade to THE WORST starting OG in the NFL - Jacksonville's Vince Manuwai. If you don't believe me, go to the Jags.com board and ask them. Vince Manuwai is a human turnstile, abused on both running and passing plays. Yes, I know, they are the "experts" and "my" "opinion" that was "appropriated" from those "experts" cannot possibly be wrong... or something like that. I read that and it became "my" "opinion." The "Big = Good" obsession infects many. Bennie is good because when I see him on the TV, he looks BIG!!! When Bennie whiffs in pass protection, he still looks BIG!!! When Bennie false starts, man, he STILL looks BIG!!! I'm convinced - Bennie is, in fact, BIG... REALLY BIG!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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