Pete Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 http://brain-terminal.com/posts/2006/02/13...-law-comes-west Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 16, 2006 Author Share Posted February 16, 2006 any thoughts on the article? radical muslims 1, free speech 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Pete I couldn't agree with this article more. They should have been on the front page of every newspaper in the USA. Fug em. Here we are, come and get us. I would have published them just because of the mob violence. Just because we should not be intimidated by the threat of mob violence from a bunch of radicals. Let them come. We'll deal with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 http://brain-terminal.com/posts/2006/02/13...-law-comes-west 604282[/snapback] Our media has just taught a valuable lesson to the various interest groups of the world: if you want to control how your group is covered, be as threatening and violent as possible.Basically, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraps Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Basically, yes. 604757[/snapback] Aren't the images that the media providing actually having the opposite effect of what the protesters want? Is anyone actually more respectfull of their beliefs? If anything, I think people in the west are more incredulous that so many people would get so bent out of shape and advocate indiscriminant violence over some cartoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Aren't the images that the media providing actually having the opposite effect of what the protesters want? Is anyone actually more respectfull of their beliefs? If anything, I think people in the west are more incredulous that so many people would get so bent out of shape and advocate indiscriminant violence over some cartoons. 604898[/snapback] I'm sure there are a good number of linguini-spined appeasement apologists who feel WE somehow caused this outpouring of idiocy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdh1 Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 http://brain-terminal.com/posts/2006/02/13...-law-comes-west 604282[/snapback] Get Batman to kick their ass! http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...DDG33H7MSO9.DTL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGTEleven Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 any thoughts on the article? radical muslims 1, free speech 0 604436[/snapback] I thought it said Shania. Martina is better looking so I ignored it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I'm just sitting back, waiting for the next 9/11 or whatever. It's not ours or anyone's fault, but our culture and free society are two of their best allies. Not just to the terror fellas, but to the more extreme Islamic society as a whole. It's a difference in cultures and perceptions that unfortunately for us, works to their advantage, and has to be taken into account with any dealings. That's why I get pissed with our own media from time to time. That is something that could be self policed and controlled to a degree, but there doesn't seem to be any sense of responsibility here to an understanding of the difficulties they can cause. One can still report, but I've YET to see an American media outlet in the last several years who doesn't spin things to create more news, or ratings. Here, whatever the "worst" way something can be presented is usually the way it's handled. Look how it drives opinions here? What do you think goes on in "Outer Buffoonistan"? Everyone in the world is watching and amused by our penchant for video self destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I hear the weather in Outer Buffoonistan is very nice this time of year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraps Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I'm just sitting back, waiting for the next 9/11 or whatever. It's not ours or anyone's fault, but our culture and free society are two of their best allies. Not just to the terror fellas, but to the more extreme Islamic society as a whole. It's a difference in cultures and perceptions that unfortunately for us, works to their advantage, and has to be taken into account with any dealings. That's why I get pissed with our own media from time to time. That is something that could be self policed and controlled to a degree, but there doesn't seem to be any sense of responsibility here to an understanding of the difficulties they can cause. One can still report, but I've YET to see an American media outlet in the last several years who doesn't spin things to create more news, or ratings. Here, whatever the "worst" way something can be presented is usually the way it's handled. Look how it drives opinions here? What do you think goes on in "Outer Buffoonistan"? Everyone in the world is watching and amused by our penchant for video self destruction. 605185[/snapback] Isn't that how things are handled in the Islamic world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I hear the weather in Outer Buffoonistan is very nice this time of year. 605191[/snapback] And, it's the Yak Dance season. I'm dressing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I'm just sitting back, waiting for the next 9/11 or whatever. 605185[/snapback] I don't see why we should have any trouble preventing the next 9/11. I mean, we already know what day it's going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 And, it's the Yak Dance season. I'm dressing up. 605201[/snapback] The girls are a little on the hairy side, but very polite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Isn't that how things are handled in the Islamic world? 605200[/snapback] Sure. Like I said, it's a matter of perspective, driven by culture. Now, combined with technology. Information is available now to people who couldn't get much information even a few short years ago. Their info was government controlled, and filtered. Despite the hatred, something everyone understands is the American concept of free press. Therefor, if it's American TV, it's the truth. IMO, that's a fundamental issue and a major problem with policy. We need to win an information fight, and we don't know how. How does one wage an informational campaign to promote western ideas (and more importantly, objectives) into a system where many of them are antithetical to their basic thinking? Hence, my problem with the press. THAT is where much of the opinion comes from, as it does here. Were our press to spend more time reporting successes instead of failures, some moods could be shifted simply because that is the bulk of information being presented. Certainly, most would be taken with a grain of salt, but some would get through. What we consider hostile coverage we for the most part create ourselves. Anyone have a good answer, I'll e-mail you a few addresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 The girls are a little on the hairy side, but very polite. 605209[/snapback] They all look the same after a few pints of grnnpyth. Who talks to them, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraps Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Sure. Like I said, it's a matter of perspective, driven by culture. Now, combined with technology. Information is available now to people who couldn't get much information even a few short years ago. Their info was government controlled, and filtered. Despite the hatred, something everyone understands is the American concept of free press. Therefor, if it's American TV, it's the truth. IMO, that's a fundamental issue and a major problem with policy. We need to win an information fight, and we don't know how. How does one wage an informational campaign to promote western ideas (and more importantly, objectives) into a system where many of them are antithetical to their basic thinking? Hence, my problem with the press. THAT is where much of the opinion comes from, as it does here. Were our press to spend more time reporting successes instead of failures, some moods could be shifted simply because that is the bulk of information being presented. Certainly, most would be taken with a grain of salt, but some would get through. What we consider hostile coverage we for the most part create ourselves. Anyone have a good answer, I'll e-mail you a few addresses. 605217[/snapback] Actually, its pretty clear to me that they don't understand the concept of a free press. If they did, they wouldn't be going nuts over a few cartoons, threatening to kill doctors and aid workers from Denmark simply because they come from the country where the cartoons originated. They wouldn't be demanding that the editors of the newspapers be prosecuted under laws that don't exist and they wouldn't be demanding laws forbiding images of Muhammad in countries that have a free press and aren't Islamic to begin with. Furthermore I think that they get most of their information for Al Jazeera and treat our press with a jaundice eye. If the US media presented an image of peaches and cream like you desire, they'd just fool us for a little while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 They all look the same after a few pints of grnnpyth. Who talks to them, anyway? 605230[/snapback] When you were drinking the grnnpyth, did you notice everyone snickering at you and whispering "Stupid American! He's drinking the grnn's pyth!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 When you were drinking the grnnpyth, did you notice everyone snickering at you and whispering "Stupid American! He's drinking the grnn's pyth!" 605273[/snapback] I'm still trying to figure out how to tell Scraps that he's making my point for me. What have we become? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraps Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I'm still trying to figure out how to tell Scraps that he's making my point for me. What have we become? 605281[/snapback] Really? Sounds like you want our press to be a propoganda tool and I do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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