Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Have you heard ANYTHING to the contrary? 603078[/snapback] What fugging responsibility is there to take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 What fugging responsibility is there to take? 603101[/snapback] Cheney has to step forward and tell everyone that he is a sh------- shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Cheney has to step forward and tell everyone that he is a sh------- shot. 603110[/snapback] Which will accomplish what exactly? He'll still get excoriated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Which will accomplish what exactly? He'll still get excoriated. 603112[/snapback] You're right of course. But I think most American's are okay if the VP is a sh------- shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Cheney has to step forward and tell everyone that he is a sh------- shot. 603110[/snapback] I disagree. Do you know how hard it is to hit a guy with a light load of birdshot in the head who's hiding in tall grass at twilight? That's pretty good shooting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 What fugging responsibility is there to take? 603101[/snapback] Uh...he shot someone in the head. Yes, it was an accident...but still, one can take responsibility for an accident, say by standing up and saying "I accidentally shot the guy in the head." Problem is, most people don't know the difference between "responsibility" and "blame". Even if it's conclusively not Cheney's fault it happened, it's his responsibility via the simple fact that he's the one that shot the guy in the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 I disagree. Do you know how hard it is to hit a guy with a light load of birdshot in the head who's hiding in tall grass at twilight? That's pretty good shooting... 603202[/snapback] Birdshot has to sting like hell. Anyone ever been hit with birdshot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Birdshot has to sting like hell. Anyone ever been hit with birdshot? 603215[/snapback] I have. Several times. The last was during GW's State of the Union speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Birdshot has to sting like hell. Anyone ever been hit with birdshot? 603215[/snapback] Yeah...but it wasn't fired from a gun. It was in the head of a mallet dropped on my foot. Other than that...no... If you're far enough away, of course, birdshot won't hurt at all. The effectiveness of shotgun loads drops off drastically with distance, and even moreso with light shot (#7 bird shot, say) than heavier (double-ought, or so). At close range, though, even birdshot will make a mess of anything it hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Uh...he shot someone in the head. Yes, it was an accident...but still, one can take responsibility for an accident, say by standing up and saying "I accidentally shot the guy in the head." Problem is, most people don't know the difference between "responsibility" and "blame". Even if it's conclusively not Cheney's fault it happened, it's his responsibility via the simple fact that he's the one that shot the guy in the head. 603208[/snapback] Good point, and thanks for correcting my incorrect verbiage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 This is fun. When do we start blaming Bush for all of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live&DieBillsFootball Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 This is fun. When do we start blaming Bush for all of this? 603273[/snapback] I think that Cheney through his silence makes the administration look bad. If he had just made a statement saying that he accidently shot a fellow hunter and is hoping that the guy makes a speedy recovery, it would have stopped this story. Until he makes a statement, he risks this story going on and on. The other problem is the information that was released. The WH blamed the guy who got shot, they said that the guy was only slightly injured, even joked about it. Rather than getting the true story out there, they tried to brush it off. Now it seems that the situation is more serious with the pellet lodged in the guys heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Uh...he shot someone in the head. Yes, it was an accident...but still, one can take responsibility for an accident, say by standing up and saying "I accidentally shot the guy in the head." Problem is, most people don't know the difference between "responsibility" and "blame". Even if it's conclusively not Cheney's fault it happened, it's his responsibility via the simple fact that he's the one that shot the guy in the head. 603208[/snapback] That would be my point. Particularly as it seems like they're trying to minimize the heart attack which probably would NOT have happened otherwise. Why is it that this guy's heart attack is minor? Seem insensitive at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Yeah...but it wasn't fired from a gun. It was in the head of a mallet dropped on my foot. Other than that...no... If you're far enough away, of course, birdshot won't hurt at all. The effectiveness of shotgun loads drops off drastically with distance, and even moreso with light shot (#7 bird shot, say) than heavier (double-ought, or so). At close range, though, even birdshot will make a mess of anything it hits. 603244[/snapback] I use a 20 gauge and either 7.5 or 8 shot on small birds. Roughly one ounce of actual shot. About 350-400 actual "B-B's". Works on Rabbits, too. I generally tend to go a lot heavier on lawyers, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 I generally tend to go a lot heavier on lawyers, though. 603304[/snapback] Thicker skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Thicker skin. 603307[/snapback] Word. Never waste time on a heart shot. They keep coming straight at you (Jim-Bob reference...how long is it going to take SouthPark to do a JB hunting episode on this?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Yeah...but it wasn't fired from a gun. It was in the head of a mallet dropped on my foot. Other than that...no... If you're far enough away, of course, birdshot won't hurt at all. The effectiveness of shotgun loads drops off drastically with distance, and even moreso with light shot (#7 bird shot, say) than heavier (double-ought, or so). At close range, though, even birdshot will make a mess of anything it hits. 603244[/snapback] Yep... a gut shot with a .410 makes any pistol round pale. The 28-gage shell is only a few millimeters fatter that a .410. Upland birding is a sport of quick reaction to birds flushed out of the brush or woodland. A lightweight shotgun with an open pattern of small shot, to hit a fast-moving bird that can be knocked down with a few pellets, is the ticket... The 28 pushes along a larger pellet load, usually at lower velocity than a .410, and usually has wadding to try to effect a more diffuse pattern. It is a "specialty" round that is usually chambered for O/U or SxS shotguns. The bulk of 28 gage shotshells are in the 8 and 9 pellet range. It doesn't take a lot of "hitting power" to knock down such game. An accurate Daisy BB gun shot as they toodle along on the ground will get 'em. You can purchase pumps or semi-autos so chambered, but that is dumb. The 2nd barrel of the O/U or side-by-side has a tighter choke to deliver the charge at a longer range if you miss the first shot. Same reason that doubles predominate in trap and skeet competitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 That would be my point. Particularly as it seems like they're trying to minimize the heart attack which probably would NOT have happened otherwise. Why is it that this guy's heart attack is minor? Seem insensitive at best. 603301[/snapback] From what I heard, the hospital reported it as minor. It's not like the guy suddenly grabbed his chest and keeled over...the hospital staff noticed an arrythmia, ran a blood test, and found the enzymatic markers for a heart attack. And this insight you have into what Cheney's actually thinking and feeling about this situation at any given moment is simply breathtaking. Practically psychic. You weren't recently exposed to radiation that suddenly gave you superpowers, were you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Never waste time on a heart shot. 603310[/snapback] Nothing to hit. Same reason Whittington's heart attack was "minor". Of course, the reason Whittington survived to begin with was because he was hit in the head and, as a lawyer, there were no vital organs up there either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Yep... a gut shot with a .410 makes any pistol round pale. The 28-gage shell is only a few millimeters fatter that a .410. Upland birding is a sport of quick reaction to birds flushed out of the brush or woodland. A lightweight shotgun with an open pattern of small shot, to hit a fast-moving bird that can be knocked down with a few pellets, is the ticket... The 28 pushes along a larger pellet load at lower velocity than a .410, and usually has wadding to try to effect a more diffuse pattern. It is a "specialty" round that is usually chambered for O/U or SxS shotguns. The bulk of 28 gage shotshells are in the 8 and 9 pellet range. It doesn't take a lot of "hitting power" to knock down such game. An accurate Daisy BB gun shot as they toodle along on the ground will get 'em. You can purchase pumps or semi-autos so chambered, but that is dumb. The 2nd barrel of the O/U or side-by-side has a tighter choke to deliver the charge at a longer range if you miss the first shot. Same reason that doubles predominate in trap and skeet competitions. 603311[/snapback] Good read. You made a much better explanation of tiny bb's far flung than I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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