stuckincincy Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 ...But, the travesty of the call is the side judge's ruling. If you were going to give him credit forthe TD, it would be on the initial jump, where you can argue that the ball broke the plane of the GL in the split second before the Hawk defender pushed his arm back. But, that was also the time where the side judge ran forward indicating 4th down, but then raised both hands to show TD after seeing Ben move the ball past the GL. That doesn't make sense, because the ball movement happened after Ben was down. I would have much less issue with the call, if the judge called a TD immediately, and not after signaling 4th down. 596543[/snapback] I agree. Few of us dispute that things happen fast on the field, and most understand that instantaneous decisions must be made by officials and don't affix blame for errors or cook up conspiracy theories. But when one watches a pause, like the SEA td and hesitant push-off call by the official, and on your mentioned Roethleisburger td, one gets to wonder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I think clearly there was some doubt. It was stated earlier, that replay was no help at all. If no TD was the call, it stands. Since TD was called on the field, there didn't seem to be enough to overturn it. Not to get into a pissing contest here, but I was also watching on a flat screen in HD, and while personally I thought he didn't get in, I couldn't say I saw for sure that he didn't. 596567[/snapback] I don't buy it. Replay is here... It has got to be the FIRST and final arbitor in matters like this... We can all live with it, IMO. Eliminate the cluster eff you call the human in this situation. But... I do respect your opinion... It is just arse backwards... Only joking... I am off all day and can piss all I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 One would think that you could put a proximity sensor in the ends of the ball with some type of receiver that runs along the goal line to determine "cross or no cross"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 One would think that you could put a proximity sensor in the ends of the ball with some type of receiver that runs along the goal line to determine "cross or no cross"? 596575[/snapback] Good point... I always thought that... You can do it for the whole game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I don't buy it. Replay is here... It has got to be the FIRST and final arbitor in matters like this... We can all live with it, IMO. Eliminate the cluster eff you call the human in this situation. But... I do respect your opinion... It is just arse backwards... Only joking... I am off all day and can piss all I want. 596574[/snapback] I appreciate your point, but there HAS to be a call on the field. That's what the refs are paid to do. What if they all shrug their shoulders and look at each other, and then replay doesn't have the correct camera angle, the results are inconclusive, etc. It has all happened before with replay. You can't just say, "We're not sure," you MUST make a call on the field. Your theory is a good one regarding no burden of proof, but it would be a real chitshow if no call was made on the field and the replay couldn't decide it. You can't just pretend the play didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Oh... One final note. I used to do hydrographic survey work. We would do soundings of areas of water that needed to be dredged and the amount of material removed determined to obtain certain project depths. Our baselines and shore based survey's would be to 100th of an inch... Once we got in the boat (sounding by hand), it didn't matter if you were 20 feet off line! We basically built a missle base to launch bottle rockets. Technology and the advent of GPS has greatly improved this field. Chuck the sextants and hand clapping! Football is alot like that and can be like that. The days of the sash chain survey's can be eliminated in certain cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 1. I've seen the replay many times, and I'm still not sure if the nose of that ball managed to nip the goal line or not. Thus, the official did the right thing on review. 2. As far as the official changing his mind on the initial call, why is that so seemingly sinister? Maybe he was just waiting fro some bodies to clear away from the goal line before making the detrmination whether it was a TD or not. 3. Even if Seattle did get jobbed on the play, it is now 4th and an inch. Guarantee that Cowher goes for it -- and it's an easy QB sneak TD. No, I think that some of the ticky-tack boderline calls (like on Jackson's "push off") had a bigger thing to do with the outcome of the game than the controversy surrounding the Big Ben TD -- or lack thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 3. Even if Seattle did get jobbed on the play, it is now 4th and an inch. Guarantee that Cowher goes for it -- and it's an easy QB sneak TD. No, I think that some of the ticky-tack boderline calls (like on Jackson's "push off") had a bigger thing to do with the outcome of the game than the controversy surrounding the Big Ben TD -- or lack thereof. 596592[/snapback] Agreed -- but it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities to see Seattle stuff Pittsburgh on 4th and an inch. Heck, Pittsburgh went nowhere on their first three plays... At least make 'em earn it. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 2. As far as the official changing his mind on the initial call, why is that so seemingly sinister? Maybe he was just waiting fro some bodies to clear away from the goal line before making the detrmination whether it was a TD or not. 3. Even if Seattle did get jobbed on the play, it is now 4th and an inch. Guarantee that Cowher goes for it -- and it's an easy QB sneak TD. 596592[/snapback] 2. If he was waiting to make the call, he should have done just that. How many times have you seen a ref run up to the pile and wait to make a decision? MANY. How many times have you seen a ref call a play down, run up to the pile, and then change his mind? Not quite as much. ESPECIALLY without another ref telling him to do so (seeing something different from another angle). He called the play down. It should have stood, and the play should have been reviewed from that point of view. 3. They had 1st and goal from very close in. Called correctly, that would have been the 3rd play Seattle was able to stop from mere yards away...Bus or no Bus. You can't say they would have got in no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 That was clearly not a touchdown. The officiating in that game was ridiculously one-sided all the way around. There were atleast 5 incidents that should've been a "no-call", a penalty on the Steelers, or a touchdown for the Seahawks. It's games like that one that causes people to wonder whether or not the games are fixed. Or atleast an attempt is made in buying off the Refs. The worst Super Bowl I can ever remember watching and I sat through all four of the Bills losses. That should tell you something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOOOOOO Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 What are yall talking about...it was clearly a TD.... When Ben went airborn his elbow and forearm carrying the ball, clearly edged the plane of the goalline....which = a TD anything that happened after doesnt mean a damn thing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I thought on the replays last night his forward progress broke the plane by the tiniest of margins. But was his knee down first ? Not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Wrong picture. He's on the ground in the picture. All the ball has to do is have some part cross the plane. It can cross the plane while a player is in the air and count as a touchdown. Roethlisberger had his greatest forward progress while he was in the air and then was pushed back as he came down. The picture of him on the ground is worthless for determining whether it was a TD or not. When the ball is furthest forward, in the air, it is an extremely close and difficult call, way too close for the official to be able to reverse the call that was made on the field. I think it may have been the right call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 not even close. ref had no balls to overturn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 What are yall talking about...it was clearly a TD.... When Ben went airborn his elbow and forearm carrying the ball, clearly edged the plane of the goalline....which = a TD anything that happened after doesnt mean a damn thing.... 596624[/snapback] sorry BALL must break the plane not your elbow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOOOOOO Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I'm sorry had no idea Ben carried the ball with his ass cheeks.... His elbow and forearm carrying the ball edged the plane of the goaline...thats = a TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I'm sorry had no idea Ben carried the ball with his ass cheeks....His elbow and forearm carrying the ball edged the plane of the goaline...thats = a TD 596644[/snapback] Since when does the elbow and forearm constitute part of the ball? If your'e saying that the forearm just grazed the goalline, there's no way the ball did too. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOOOOOO Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Since when does the elbow and forearm constitute part of the ball? If your'e saying that the forearm just grazed the goalline, there's no way the ball did too. CW 596657[/snapback] Fez the ball is carried on your forearm....his elbow and forarm lined up with the plane....cmon now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 1 elbow = 2 knees. 596533[/snapback] do you mean: 1 elbow = 1 knee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCBongo Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 That was so NOT a TD - the ball much cross the plain, and it never did. Then again - I won $20 on the play so GO BIG BEN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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