Fezmid Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 (of course some will dismiss it because Bruce Sneier isn't a REAL security person ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NSA and Bush's Illegal Eavesdropping (Note: I wrote this essay in the days after the scandal broke.) When President Bush directed the National Security Agency to secretly eavesdrop on American citizens, he transferred an authority previously under the purview of the Justice Department to the Defense Department and bypassed the very laws put in place to protect Americans against widespread government eavesdropping. The reason may have been to tap the NSA's capability for data-mining and widespread surveillance. Illegal wiretapping of Americans is nothing new. In the 1950s and '60s, in a program called "Project Shamrock," the NSA intercepted every single telegram coming into or going out of the United States. It conducted eavesdropping without a warrant on behalf of the CIA and other agencies. Much of this became public during the 1975 Church Committee hearings and resulted in the now famous Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) of 1978. The purpose of this law was to protect the American people by regulating government eavesdropping. Like many laws limiting the power of government, it relies on checks and balances: one branch of the government watching the other. The law established a secret court, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), and empowered it to approve national-security-related eavesdropping warrants. The Justice Department can request FISA warrants to monitor foreign communications as well as communications by American citizens, provided that they meet certain minimal criteria. The FISC issued about 500 FISA warrants per year from 1979 through 1995, and has slowly increased subsequently -- 1,758 were issued in 2004. The process is designed for speed and even has provisions where the Justice Department can wiretap first and ask for permission later. In all that time, only four warrant requests were ever rejected: all in 2003. (We don't know any details, of course, as the court proceedings are secret.) FISA warrants are carried out by the FBI, but in the days immediately after the terrorist attacks, there was a widespread perception in Washington that the FBI wasn't up to dealing with these new threats -- they couldn't uncover plots in a timely manner. So instead the Bush administration turned to the NSA. They had the tools, the expertise, the experience, and so they were given the mission. The NSA's ability to eavesdrop on communications is exemplified by a technological capability called Echelon. Echelon is the world's largest information "vacuum cleaner," sucking up a staggering amount of voice, fax, and data communications -- satellite, microwave, fiber-optic, cellular and everything else -- from all over the world: an estimated 3 billion communications per day. These communications are then processed through sophisticated data-mining technologies, which look for simple phrases like "assassinate the president" as well as more complicated communications patterns. Supposedly Echelon only covers communications outside of the United States. Although there is no evidence that the Bush administration has employed Echelon to monitor communications to and from the U.S., this surveillance capability is probably exactly what the president wanted and may explain why the administration sought to bypass the FISA process of acquiring a warrant for searches. Perhaps the NSA just didn't have any experience submitting FISA warrants, so Bush unilaterally waived that requirement. And perhaps Bush thought FISA was a hindrance -- in 2002 there was a widespread but false belief that the FISC got in the way of the investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui (the presumed "20th hijacker") -- and bypassed the court for that reason. Most likely, Bush wanted a whole new surveillance paradigm. You can think of the FBI's capabilities as "retail surveillance": It eavesdrops on a particular person or phone. The NSA, on the other hand, conducts "wholesale surveillance." It, or more exactly its computers, listens to everything. An example might be to feed the computers every voice, fax, and e-mail communication looking for the name "Ayman al-Zawahiri." This type of surveillance is more along the lines of Project Shamrock, and not legal under FISA. As Sen. Jay Rockefeller wrote in a secret memo after being briefed on the program, it raises "profound oversight issues." It is also unclear whether Echelon-style eavesdropping would prevent terrorist attacks. In the months before 9/11, Echelon noticed considerable "chatter": bits of conversation suggesting some sort of imminent attack. But because much of the planning for 9/11 occurred face-to-face, analysts were unable to learn details. The fundamental issue here is security, but it's not the security most people think of. James Madison famously said: "If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." Terrorism is a serious risk to our nation, but an even greater threat is the centralization of American political power in the hands of any single branch of the government. Over 200 years ago, the framers of the U.S. Constitution established an ingenious security device against tyrannical government: they divided government power among three different bodies. A carefully thought out system of checks and balances in the executive branch, the legislative branch, and the judicial branch, ensured that no single branch became too powerful. After watching tyrannies rise and fall throughout Europe, this seemed like a prudent way to form a government. Courts monitor the actions of police. Congress passes laws that even the president must follow. Since 9/11, the United States has seen an enormous power grab by the executive branch. It's time we brought back the security system that's protected us from government for over 200 years. A version of this essay originally appeared in Salon: < http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2005/...0/surveillance/ > Text of FISA: < http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/usc...10_36_20_I.html > or < http://tinyurl.com/d7ra4 > Summary of annual FISA warrants: < http://www.epic.org/privacy/wiretap/stats/fisa_stats.html > Rockefeller's secret memo: < http://talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/rock-cheney1.html > Much more here: < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005...nd_bushs_i.html > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 Similar lines, but focusing on the executive branch and not about one specific event: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Security Threat of Unchecked Presidential Power Last Thursday [15 December 2005], the "New York Times" exposed the most significant violation of federal surveillance law in the post-Watergate era. President Bush secretly authorized the National Security Agency to engage in domestic spying, wiretapping thousands of Americans and bypassing the legal procedures regulating this activity. This isn't about the spying, although that's a major issue in itself. This is about the Fourth Amendment protections against illegal search. This is about circumventing a teeny tiny check by the judicial branch, placed there by the legislative branch, placed there 27 years ago -- on the last occasion that the executive branch abused its power so broadly. In defending this secret spying on Americans, Bush said that he relied on his constitutional powers (Article 2) and the joint resolution passed by Congress after 9/11 that led to the war in Iraq. This rationale was spelled out in a memo written by John Yoo, a White House attorney, less than two weeks after the attacks of 9/11. It's a dense read and a terrifying piece of legal contortionism, but it basically says that the president has unlimited powers to fight terrorism. He can spy on anyone, arrest anyone, and kidnap anyone and ship him to another country ... merely on the suspicion that he might be a terrorist. And according to the memo, this power lasts until there is no more terrorism in the world. Yoo starts by arguing that the Constitution gives the president total power during wartime. He also notes that Congress has recently been quiescent when the president takes some military action on his own, citing President Clinton's 1998 strike against Sudan and Afghanistan. Yoo then says: "The terrorist incidents of September 11, 2001, were surely far graver a threat to the national security of the United States than the 1998 attacks. ... The President's power to respond militarily to the later attacks must be correspondingly broader." This is novel reasoning. It's as if the police would have greater powers when investigating a murder than a burglary. More to the point, the congressional resolution of Sept. 14, 2001, specifically refused the White House's initial attempt to seek authority to preempt any future acts of terrorism, and narrowly gave Bush permission to go after those responsible for the attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center. Yoo's memo ignored this. Written 11 days after Congress refused to grant the president wide-ranging powers, it admitted that "the Joint Resolution is somewhat narrower than the President's constitutional authority," but argued "the President's broad constitutional power to use military force ... would allow the President to ... [take] whatever actions he deems appropriate ... to pre-empt or respond to terrorist threats from new quarters." Even if Congress specifically says no. The result is that the president's wartime powers, with its armies, battles, victories, and congressional declarations, now extend to the rhetorical "War on Terror": a war with no fronts, no boundaries, no opposing army, and -- most ominously -- no knowable "victory." Investigations, arrests, and trials are not tools of war. But according to the Yoo memo, the president can define war however he chooses, and remain "at war" for as long as he chooses. This is indefinite dictatorial power. And I don't use that term lightly; the very definition of a dictatorship is a system that puts a ruler above the law. In the weeks after 9/11, while America and the world were grieving, Bush built a legal rationale for a dictatorship. Then he immediately started using it to avoid the law. This is, fundamentally, why this issue crossed political lines in Congress. If the president can ignore laws regulating surveillance and wiretapping, why is Congress bothering to debate reauthorizing certain provisions of the Patriot Act? Any debate over laws is predicated on the belief that the executive branch will follow the law. This is not a partisan issue between Democrats and Republicans; it's a president unilaterally overriding the Fourth Amendment, Congress and the Supreme Court. Unchecked presidential power has nothing to do with how much you either love or hate George W. Bush. You have to imagine this power in the hands of the person you most don't want to see as president, whether it be Dick Cheney or Hillary Rodham Clinton, Michael Moore or Ann Coulter. Laws are what give us security against the actions of the majority and the powerful. If we discard our constitutional protections against tyranny in an attempt to protect us from terrorism, we're all less safe as a result. This essay was published on December 21 as an op-ed in the "Minneapolis Star Tribune." < http://www.startribune.com/562/story/138326.html > Here's the opening paragraph of the Yoo memo. Remember, think of this power in the hands of your least favorite politician when you read it: "You have asked for our opinion as to the scope of the President's authority to take military action in response to the terrorist attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001. We conclude that the President has broad constitutional power to use military force. Congress has acknowledged this inherent executive power in both the War Powers Resolution, Pub. L. No. 93-148, 87 Stat. 555 (1973), codified at 50 U.S.C. §§ 1541-1548 (the "WPR"), and in the Joint Resolution passed by Congress on September 14, 2001, Pub. L. No. 107-40, 115 Stat. 224 (2001). Further, the President has the constitutional power not only to retaliate against any person, organization, or State suspected of involvement in terrorist attacks on the United States, but also against foreign States suspected of harboring or supporting such organizations. Finally, the President may deploy military force preemptively against terrorist organizations or the States that harbor or support them, whether or not they can be linked to the specific terrorist incidents of September 11." There's a similar reasoning in the Braybee memo, which was written in 2002 about torture: Yoo memo: < http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/warpowers925.htm > Braybee Memo: < http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/natio...jinterrogationm emo20020801.pdf > This story has taken on a life of its own. But there are about a zillion links and such listed here: < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005...urity_th_1.html > I am especially amused by the bit about NSA shift supervisors making decisions legally reserved for the FISA court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live&DieBillsFootball Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Yeah, but this is a Republican President, so we can trust him to only use this for good purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Yeah, but this is a Republican President, so we can trust him to only use this for good purposes. 588136[/snapback] Exactly. As long as abortion is made illegal, queers can't marry, 4 year olds can buy grenades and taxes are cut, who cares about the rest? Constitution-Schmonstitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Exactly. As long as abortion is made illegal, queers can't marry, 4 year olds can buy grenades and taxes are cut, who cares about the rest? Constitution-Schmonstitution. 588780[/snapback] Now whine openly about fear mongering and sloganeering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Now whine openly about fear mongering and sloganeering. 589253[/snapback] Personal, as usual. Mickey=bad Excellent point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Now whine openly about fear mongering and sloganeering. 589253[/snapback] Shhh...you are not allowed to point out his hypocrisy. You will hurt his delicate feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Shhh...you are not allowed to point out his hypocrisy. You will hurt his delicate feelings. 589274[/snapback] Maybe you could point out any allegations in my first post that are not correct? Are Republicans not against gay marriage, gun control and legalized abortion? Aren't they for tax cuts? Maybe you should read their party platform sometime. Is it unfair or meanspirited to be critical of a party for its avowed positions or are you declaring that to be off limits? While you are at it, why don't you point out where in my post I personally attacked anyone as did AD in his response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 gun control Point out where the Republicans are in favor of 4 year olds buying grenades, as stated in your post. Aren't they for tax cuts? Holy Hell!! Tax Cuts!!! How dare the government cut taxes!! While you are at it, why don't you point out where in my post I personally attacked anyone as did AD in his response. 589395[/snapback] You are against Republicans using fear-mongering, but yet you use fear mongering in your post (4 year olds buying grenades sound familiar?). That is called hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Point out where the Republicans are in favor of 4 year olds buying grenades, as stated in your post.Holy Hell!! Tax Cuts!!! How dare the government cut taxes!! While you are at it, why don't you point out where in my post I personally attacked anyone as did AD in his response. 589395[/snapback] You are against Republicans using fear-mongering, but yet you use fear mongering in your post (4 year olds buying grenades sound familiar?). That is called hypocrisy. 589674[/snapback] I see, so you took the exagerration to make a point on opposition to firearms regulations about 4 year olds and grenades as a statement meant as actual fact? Sorry, never imagined anyone could possibly interpret that any way other than intended. I'll try to account for that level of stupidity next time. As for tax cuts, whether they are good, bad or indifferent is a separate question from whether or not I was accurate in tagging that as a republican position. So is that it? Is that all you have in contesting the accuracy of the post? As for personal attacks, lets see, "whine", "fear mongering" and "hypocrisy" seem to qualify. None of those comments/insults have anything to do with the accuracy of the post. What did any of that have to do with whether or not republicans are against gay marriage, legalized abortion, gun regulation and for tax cuts? What did any of that have to do with the notion that as long as the republican party is solid on those issues, their rank and file don't care what happens with wiretaps? Oh yeah, nothing. This is soooo much fun. I post something, anything, and the AD/KRC tag team immediately follows with mickey=bad posts. As much as I enjoy the flattery all this attention brings, it is getting kind of boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 589395[/snapback] I see, so you took the exagerration to make a point on opposition to firearms regulations about 4 year olds and grenades as a statement meant as actual fact? Sorry, never imagined anyone could possibly interpret that any way other than intended. I'll try to account for that level of stupidity next time. 589711[/snapback] You're just not happy that you were called on your hypocrisy. Now, you are trying to spin your way out of it. Nice try, but it didn't work. Keep going though. If you can deflect things enough, maybe people will forget about it. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 589395[/snapback] I see, so you took the exagerration to make a point on opposition to firearms regulations about 4 year olds and grenades as a statement meant as actual fact? Then why the need for the absurd exagerration? IMO, using that tactic as a means to make your opponent look crazy only serves to discredit your arugument. I notice you also took the high road on the "Constitution-Schmonstitution" comment....apparently indicating that conservatives don't care about the Constitution because they support the (absurdly exagerrated) points that you list. But out of the items on your list, isn't the right to bear arms (which you attacked via the grenade totting 4 year old) the only one actually protected by the Constitution? I'm not a lawyer, so maybe you can explain how someone being anti abortion and anti queer marriage makes someone anti Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 589395[/snapback] I see, so you took the exagerration to make a point on opposition to firearms regulations about 4 year olds and grenades as a statement meant as actual fact? Sorry, never imagined anyone could possibly interpret that any way other than intended. I'll try to account for that level of stupidity next time. As for tax cuts, whether they are good, bad or indifferent is a separate question from whether or not I was accurate in tagging that as a republican position. So is that it? Is that all you have in contesting the accuracy of the post? As for personal attacks, lets see, "whine", "fear mongering" and "hypocrisy" seem to qualify. None of those comments/insults have anything to do with the accuracy of the post. What did any of that have to do with whether or not republicans are against gay marriage, legalized abortion, gun regulation and for tax cuts? What did any of that have to do with the notion that as long as the republican party is solid on those issues, their rank and file don't care what happens with wiretaps? Oh yeah, nothing. This is soooo much fun. I post something, anything, and the AD/KRC tag team immediately follows with mickey=bad posts. As much as I enjoy the flattery all this attention brings, it is getting kind of boring. 589711[/snapback] Spin, spin, spin. Nothing more than continued hypocrisy with the veil of "whoa is me, I'm a victim." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 What do any of these posts have to do with the topic I started? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 What do any of these posts have to do with the topic I started? 590307[/snapback] Shut up. Your thread's been hijacked; you have no business being here anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 Shut up. Your thread's been hijacked; you have no business being here anymore. 590317[/snapback] After the first post, no less Here's another story about the NSA stuff. EFF is suing AT&T. http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/01/31/2222236.shtml CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 After the first post, no less Here's another story about the NSA stuff. EFF is suing AT&T. http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/01/31/2222236.shtml CW 590319[/snapback] I predict that lots of lawyers are going to get filthy stinking rich off this issue, lots of people are going to get checks for $1.17 from class-action lawsuits, and the wiretaps will continue regardless while no one gets around to discussing the real issuse involved. GOD I love this country! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 I predict that lots of lawyers are going to get filthy stinking rich off this issue, lots of people are going to get checks for $1.17 from class-action lawsuits, and the wiretaps will continue regardless while no one gets around to discussing the real issuse involved. GOD I love this country! 590321[/snapback] EFF is non-profit, so they're lawyers aren't getting rich. The AT&T Lawyers are probably all on retainer, so they're already rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 EFF is non-profit, so they're lawyers aren't getting rich. The AT&T Lawyers are probably all on retainer, so they're already rich. 590383[/snapback] Unless EFF's lawyers are employees of EFF (possible, I don't know), they're getting rich. Lawyers get paid, that's why they take cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 Unless EFF's lawyers are employees of EFF (possible, I don't know), they're getting rich. Lawyers get paid, that's why they take cases. 590395[/snapback] Ever hear of pro-bono? And as far as I know, I think the lawyers ARE employed by EFF. I did a quick search and found several different articles about different cases that basically said: "Attorneys from the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), representing the three news organizations, argued Apple had not used all possible means in finding out the sources for the leak and should not be allowed access to information on the servers of the Web sites." Not "attorneys working for EFF," but FROM EFF. So I'm not 100% sure, but it's a pretty good bet. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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