BillsGuyInMalta Posted January 28, 2006 Posted January 28, 2006 D'Brick just missed his block on that TD. edit: That is 2 BIG missed blocks in the last 2 drives. 1 in pass protection, 1 running. His stock is going down. 586926[/snapback] Good, he'll be there at #8 for us I'm not advocating trading up for him any longer because I think we need to hold onto all our picks, but if he's there at #8 and we pass on him, the Bills will pay the price for ignoring the O-Line again. D'Brickashaw will be an anchor in the NFL, I guarantee that. Regardless of what the "LOOOOOOK!!!! HE MISSED A BLOCK!! FAILURE!!!!!!!" crowd may say. I watched him all year, this kid is the real deal. But if you notice, I dont think he'll last to #8, which is why I have Ngata getting the nod with our pick instead.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 28, 2006 Author Posted January 28, 2006 Good, he'll be there at #8 for us I'm not advocating trading up for him any longer because I think we need to hold onto all our picks, but if he's there at #8 and we pass on him, the Bills will pay the price for ignoring the O-Line again. D'Brickashaw will be an anchor in the NFL, I guarantee that. Regardless of what the "LOOOOOOK!!!! HE MISSED A BLOCK!! FAILURE!!!!!!!" crowd may say. I watched him all year, this kid is the real deal. But if you notice, I dont think he'll last to #8, which is why I have Ngata getting the nod with our pick instead. 586930[/snapback] I'm not totally down on him at all, and honestly havent watched him that much. I would love for the Bills to take a guy like that at #8. On the play that he was toast, the guy just fooled him more than anything, and clearly, by the number of sacks he gave up in his career, that doesn't happen much.
sfladave Posted January 28, 2006 Posted January 28, 2006 Good, he'll be there at #8 for us I'm not advocating trading up for him any longer because I think we need to hold onto all our picks, but if he's there at #8 and we pass on him, the Bills will pay the price for ignoring the O-Line again. D'Brickashaw will be an anchor in the NFL, I guarantee that. Regardless of what the "LOOOOOOK!!!! HE MISSED A BLOCK!! FAILURE!!!!!!!" crowd may say. I watched him all year, this kid is the real deal. 586930[/snapback] I have not seen the kid play much at all this year, so I am far from an authority on him. If he winds up being the real deal I hope it is us who gets because franchise LTs do not grow on trees, nor are they readily available in FA. I missed most of the 1st half and earlier threads seemed to indicate he started out well. For some reason I just get nervous when it comes to selecting an OL early in the 1st round now.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 28, 2006 Author Posted January 28, 2006 Ha-li-Boombayea! Ha-li-Boombayea!
Brack733 Posted January 28, 2006 Posted January 28, 2006 Kiper's latest on this game's players: North Roster Coaching staff: Tennessee Titans North Roster No. Pos. Name Height Weight School 1 CB Anwar Phillips 6-0 190 Penn State Good athlete. Suspect coverage skills. (Day 2) 2 WR Demetrius Williams 6-2 184 Oregon Angular. Good Hands. Average speed. (Round 2 or 3) 4 DB Jahmile Addae 5-11 205 West Virginia Tough. Aggressive. So-so coverage skills. (Day 2) 4 WR Travis Wilson 6-2 215 Oklahoma Nice finish to the week. Showed some separation. (Round 3) 6 QB Jay Cutler 6-3 219 Vanderbilt So-so accuracy. Good arm. Made all the throws. (Early Round 1) 6 QB Charlie Whitehurst 6-5 223 Clemson Throws a great pass. Tight spiral. A little erratic. (Day 2) 8 WR Jason Avant 6-2 210 Michigan Questionable speed. Struggled some catching the ball. (Day 2) 8 CB Tye Hill 5-9 179 Clemson Natural cover skills. Spunky. Confident. (Round 1) 9 RB Jerome Harrison 5-9 202 Washington State Natural runner. Shows quickness. Hands a question. (Round 3 or 4) 11 RB Mike Bell 6-1 212 Arizona Athletic. Shows outside speed. Runs too upright. (Day 2) 12 QB Michael Robinson 6-2 215 Penn State Struggled at QB. Not a natural at WR. Possible safety. (Late Day 2) 14 DB Daniel Bullocks 6-0 205 Nebraska Very fluid, athletic and tough. Good player. (Round 2) 15 WR Martin Nance 6-4 212 Miami (Ohio) Tall with big hands. Average week of practice. (Day 2) 17 FB Lawrence Vickers 6-0 233 Colorado Good all-around fullback. (Round 4 or 5) 18 LB Chad Greenway 6-3 243 Iowa Gifted athlete. Good feel for LB position. Solid week. (Round 1) 20 DB Anthony Smith 6-0 194 Syracuse Tough. Alert. Adequate coverage skills. Excellent week. (Round 2) 21 CB Will Blackmon 6-0 191 Boston College Has athletic skills. Suspect coverage. DB or WR? (Day 2) 21 WR Maurice Stovall 6-4 236 Notre Dame Big. Physical. Good hands. (Round 2) 26 DB David Pittman 5-11 171 Northwestern St Some ability. Struggled with big WRs. Speed questions. (Day 2) 27 LB Brian Iwuh 6-0 226 Colorado Didn't jump out at me. (Day 2) 28 CB Darrell Hunter 5-11 211 Miami (Ohio) Struggled in coverage. Needs to trust his skills more. (Day 2) 29 P John Torp 6-1 222 Colorado Too methodical. Needs to pick up his pace. (Day 2) 32 RB Cedric Humes 6-1 233 Virginia Tech Runs a little upright. Has power. Questionable hands. (Day 2) 38 RB Terrence Whitehead 5-10 225 Oregon So-so all-around threat. (Day 2) 40 K Deric Yaussi 5-11 199 Wyoming Didn't wow me. (Day 2 or free agent) 42 LB Jon Alston 6-1 215 Stanford Decent athlete. Flashed some ability. (Day 2) 44 LB Clint Ingram 6-1 236 Oklahoma Flashed some ability. Up-and-down week. (Day 2) 51 LB Abdul Hodge 6-1 231 Iowa Strong against the run. Flows and diagnoses well. (Round 2 or 3) 52 LB D'Qwell Jackson 6-1 227 Maryland Not big, but tough. Flies to the ball. Reacts well. (Round 2) 54 OL Marvin Philip 6-2 298 California Not a strong anchor. Gets overpowered by big DTs. (Day 2) 55 OL Nick Mangold 6-4 296 Ohio State Great week. Strong anchor. (Early Round 2) 55 DE Darryl Tapp 6-2 266 Virginia Tech Long arms. Low base. Great intensity. (Day 1) 56 OL Charles Spencer 6-5 330 Pittsburgh Good week. Good feet and technique. (Late Round 1 or Round 2) 61 OL Ryan O'Callaghan 6-7 363 California Natural right tackle. Huge. Good in pass protection. (Round 2) 66 OL D'Brickashaw Ferguson 6-5 295 Virginia Best player in Mobile. Great feet. Long arms. (Early Round 1) 68 OL Mark Setterstrom 6-4 307 Minnesota Overmatched at times. Good experience. (Day 2) 72 OL Jeremy Trueblood 6-8 319 Boston College Shows good technique. Battles well. (Round 2 or 3) 73 OL Daryn Colledge 6-4 295 Boise State Experienced pass blocker, but gets overpowered. (Day 2) 76 OL Deuce Lutui 6-5 375 USC Strong. Finishes blocks. Has mean streak. Decent feet. (Round 2) 77 OL Davin Joseph 6-4 315 Oklahoma Natural guard. Must trust his skills. (Late Day 1 or Early Day 2) 78 DL Gabe Watson 6-3 335 Michigan Strong. Talented. Up-and-down week. (Round 2) 80 WR Derek Hagan 6-2 202 Arizona State Has ability. Small hands. Tendency to have drops. (Round 3) 86 TE Dominique Byrd 6-3 260 USC Great hands. Good body control. Great awareness. (Round 1 or 2) 89 TE Joe Klopfenstein 6-5 245 Colorado Good hands. Can struggle with blocking. (Round 2) 91 DE Tamba Hali 6-2 265 Penn State Shows a good motor. Good pass rush techniques. (Round 1) 92 DL Julian Jenkins 6-4 275 Stanford Late addition to roster. (Will predict after game) 94 DE Mathias Kiwanuka 6-6 258 Boston College Gifted athlete. Ideal size. Great potential. (Round 1) 95 DE Victor Adeyanju 6-4 265 Indiana Flashes pass-rush ability. (Day 2) 96 DL Babatunde Oshinowo 6-2 320 Stanford Good DT. Can occupy. Not much penetration. (Round 3 or 4) 99 DL Dusty Dvoracek 6-3 302 Oklahoma Intense. Improved during week. Could help in a rotation. (Round 3) South Roster Coaching staff: San Francisco 49ers South Roster No. Pos. Name Height Weight School 1 WR Devin Aromashodu 6-2 198 Auburn Has his moments. Decent prospect. (Round 3 or 4) 2 CB DeMario Minter 5-11 198 Georgia Needs to work on hands. Has some skills. (Late Day 1 or Early 2) 2 WR Ben Obomanu 6-1 205 Auburn Didn't jump out at me. (Day 2) 3 QB D.J. Shockley 6-1 214 Georgia Nice arm, but erratic. Needs QB coaching. (Day 2) 4 QB Darrell Hackney 6-1 245 UAB All over with his throws. Not great size. (Late round or free agent) 5 WR Skyler Green 5-9 197 LSU Didn't make an impression. (Day 2) 6 CB Cedric Griffin 6-1 190 Texas Has ability. Tough. Aggressive. Played off too much. (Late Day 1) 7 DB Marcus Hudson 6-2 200 NC State Tweener. Suspect coverage skills. (Late Day 1 or Early 2) 8 LB Freddie Roach 6-2 250 Alabama Didn't jump out at me. (Day 2) 9 WR Anthony Mix 6-5 248 Auburn Some drops. Position questions. (Day 2) 10 RB Joseph Addai 5-11 210 LSU Versatile. Can catch and block. (Late Day 1 or Early Day 2) 12 QB Brodie Croyle 6-3 205 Alabama Great arm strength. Makes all throws. Moves well. (Round 2) 17 DB Greg Blue 6-2 211 Georgia Tough, aggressive, strong tackler. Suspect in coverage. (Late Day 1) 18 WR Hank Baskett 6-3 219 New Mexico Big. Decent hands. Doesn't separate. (Day 2) 19 TE Marcedes Lewis 6-6 255 UCLA Talented. Can catch. Needs to show blocking skills. (Round 2) 20 RB DeAngelo Williams 5-10 217 Memphis Great burst and feet. Impact player. (Early-to-mid Round 1) 21 RB Jerious Norwood 6-0 204 Mississippi State Shows some quickness. Had a good week. (Early Day 2) 22 CB Kelly Jennings 5-11 180 Miami Solid corner. Good technique. Experienced. (Round 2 or 3) 23 CB Tim Jennings 5-9 182 Georgia Spunky. Could be nickel or dime corner. (Day 2) 24 DB Pat Watkins 6-4 202 Florida State Special-teams potential. Average cover skills. (Day 2) 32 K Stephen Gostkowski 6-2 200 Memphis Average leg. (Free agent) 35 FB Garrett Mills 6-2 226 Tulsa Can catch. Good feel. Showed blocking potential. (Early Day 2) 35 LB DeMeco Ryans 6-2 236 Alabama Didn't wow me, but has ton of ability. (Round 1) 38 RB Andre Hall 59 204 South Florida Good week. Showed natural instincts. (Early Day 2) 40 LB Thomas Howard 6-3 231 UTEP Fast. Gifted athlete. Questionable instincts. (Round 2) 41 DB Roman Harper 6-0 196 Alabama Smart. Questionable in coverage. (Day 2) 42 LB Spencer Havner 6-3 235 UCLA Can make plays. Shows instincts. Must be more physical. (Day 2) 44 LB Gerris Wilkinson 6-3 238 Georgia Showed some ability. Good week. (Day 2) 47 DE Mark Anderson 6-4 256 Alabama Pass rusher. Questionable against the run. (Early Day 2) 51 LB Travis Williams 6-0 216 Auburn Improved during the week. Nice finish. (Round 3) 52 DL Brodrick Bunkley 6-2 286 Florida State Powerful pass-rusher. Good player. (Round 2) 55 DL Jesse Mahelona 6-2 304 Tennessee Gets leverage. Strong. (Round 3) 63 OL Ryan Cook 6-7 322 New Mexico Struggles technically. Developmental prospect. (Early Day 2) 68 OL Mike Degory 6-5 301 Florida Struggled some. Often overmatched. (Day 2) 70 OL Cody Douglas 6-4 330 Tennessee Didn't catch my attention. (Day 2) 71 OL Jonathan Scott 6-7 307 Texas Has some ability. Didn't wow me. (Early Day 2) 72 OL Albert Toeaina 6-5 352 Tennessee Struggled this week. (Late Day 2) 73 OL Marcus McNeill 6-8 332 Auburn Lots of talent. Up-and-down week. (Round 1 possibility) 74 OL Eric Winston 6-6 310 Miami Can struggle in protection. Had some good moments. (Early Day 2) 75 OL Will Allen 6-5 309 Texas Didn't wow me. (Day 2) 77 OL Max Jean-Gilles 6-4 258 Georgia Long arms. Strong. Good technique. (Round 3) 81 P Thomas Olmsted 6-4 217 Troy Hit a few. Inconsistent. (Late rounds or free agent) 82 TE T.J. Williams 6-2 253 NC State Has talent. Dropped too many passes. (Day 2) 83 WR Sinorice Moss 5-8 185 Miami Fast. Electrifying. Good week. (Round 2) 91 DE Manny Lawson 6-4 230 NC State Natural pass-rusher. Good special-teams player. (Round 2) 92 DE Orien Harris 6-3 301 Miami Talented. Needs to be more consistent. (Round 2) 94 DE Kamerion Wimbley 6-3 240 Florida State Showed pass-rush ability. Outside LB or situational DE? (Round 2) 95 DL Kyle Williams 6-2 295 LSU Short arms hindered him. Great motor. Intense. (Round 3) 98 DE Elvis Dumervil 6-0 254 Louisville Has pass-rush skills. Struggled some. (Round 3) 99 DE Parys Haralson 6-2 250 Tennessee Outside pass-rusher. Kind of a tweener. (Day 2) 586883[/snapback] I'm actually pretty surprised by this list. It is radically different assesments that I have seen on most other draft sites. It also seems like he only has like a handful of people going in the first round. Most shocking to me is that he thinks Jon Scott and Winston will last to day 2! It seems like most people have them projected late 1st or early 2nd.
thisiskeith12 Posted January 28, 2006 Posted January 28, 2006 I went to high school with Parys Haralson. I remember the day Phillip Fulmer came to visit him at school one, I was in my class and I looked outside the door and saw Fulmer, it took me a few seconds to put 2 and 2 together. Norwood didn't look as impressive as I thought he would. They had him returning punts and that's something he's never done.
VABills Posted January 28, 2006 Posted January 28, 2006 I was watching Mcneil some at LT. Not that impressed. Seemed real slow, and looks off balance. Doesn't seem to look comfortable in there. Obviously the South is getting killed so hard to tell his run blocking skills.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 29, 2006 Posted January 29, 2006 We have to come out of the 1st with an impact DE. Mario Williams, Halli, or Tapp. These guys are so disruptive. Tapp looks like a Freeney.
Mikie2times Posted January 29, 2006 Posted January 29, 2006 Personally, I really like Dominique Byrd, the tight end from USC. I always liked his game and felt he was under used at USC because they had so many weapons. But I just saw him blocking well and he might be available in the 2nd or 3rd. The only thing is that I don't know how much our new o coordinator uses tes because they never throw to them on the Rams for the past few years. 586861[/snapback] I mentioned D. Byrd when I caught a USC game early in the year. He is an impressive talent, both big and athletic. A very deep TE draft class probably pushes him in the 2-3 rounds so he could be around. He did have some character issues at USC, to the extent I don't know, but he was regarded as a bit of a headache at times. With Marv here that might decrease the likelihood of us drafting great talent/poor character guys, so I still think D. Byrd as a Bill is a long shot.
seq004 Posted January 29, 2006 Posted January 29, 2006 He looks pretty good to me, too, at least fundamentally, but i see him getting shoved around pretty easily. His man isn't making the play against him, which is always the goal, but my biggest fear if he draft him at #8, that he is not a real dominating tackle, looks very possible. 586864[/snapback] He looks real good to me and I don't see anyone pushing him around in practice or in the game. He looks real solid and the Bills would be nuts not to take him if he's available at the at the 8th spot.
LancasterSteve Posted January 29, 2006 Posted January 29, 2006 He looks real good to me and I don't see anyone pushing him around in practice or in the game. He looks real solid and the Bills would be nuts not to take him if he's available at the at the 8th spot. 586970[/snapback] I see you came onboard here after the 02 draft so I have no idea if you read the Wall around draft time that year. The BIG debate was over who the Bills would draft with the fourth pick. Bryant McKinnie was the big "hype" in left tackles with more than one poster here really pitching for the Bills to draft him, LOL. Some of the posters who have been around for a while might remember that at the time I reported that Donahoe and Williams went down to work out Mike Williams in Texas and were quite impressed. They even had Williams work out of a left side stance. The most I ever got out of anyone after the fact on why the Bills didn't draft McKinnie was that there were some "red flags" in the decision not to draft him. Nothing I ever heard insinuated that McKinnie's agent was the reason the Bills passed on drafting him, as was posted here. Drafting Mike Williams I know now was Donahoes' decision and his alone. Character does indeed play a big part in who the Bills have drafted in the past. They have been burned in that aspect like many other teams for its imposible to know everything about a player but if there were questions about a players character that they knew about, the Bills passed him over. I admit I haven't come even close to watching college ball this year like I have in the past so this was my first chance to see D'Brickashaw play. I did however see Williams play before the Bills drafted him in 02. Watch the feet, this guy is a Wiiliams clone. Williams was called a "dancing Bear" light on his feet, etc you get the point. Maybe it was a "fluke game" for D'Brickashaw to get beat inside twice, but that just shouldn't happen to a dominating left tackle IMHO.
The Jokeman Posted January 29, 2006 Posted January 29, 2006 I see you came onboard here after the 02 draft so I have no idea if you read the Wall around draft time that year. The BIG debate was over who the Bills would draft with the fourth pick. 586996[/snapback] You may also recall that year a certain DT was a very popular choice among Bills fans by the name of Ryan Sims, who ended up 6th overall to KC. I know Ngata's a fan favorite now....
LancasterSteve Posted January 29, 2006 Posted January 29, 2006 You may also recall that year a certain DT was a very popular choice among Bills fans by the name of Ryan Sims, who ended up 6th overall to KC. I know Ngata's a fan favorite now.... 587008[/snapback] I remember the hype over Ryan Sims. This is from Ourlads football guide last April: "Ryan Simms has yet to make the impact the Chiefs expected inside despite the presence of Gunther Cunningham. They could invest another high round pick here because their overall production rates at just average across the board" An argument I guess could be made not to draft any lineman either on the offensive or defensive side of the ball early because there have been busts last season there were 16 LT (out of 32 teams) who were drafted in the first round compared with 18 DT (one is a backup, the others were starters at the beginning of last season) There were 56 DT's positions because some teams play a 3-4 while others employ a 4-3 set. So if my fuzzy math is almost correct; 50% of the LT's starting today were drafted in the first round while only about a third of the starting defensive tackles were drafted in the first round. It still boils down to if your team has good scouts and your GM can take this info and make good selections come draft day.
dave mcbride Posted January 29, 2006 Posted January 29, 2006 I remember the hype over Ryan Sims. This is from Ourlads football guide last April: "Ryan Simms has yet to make the impact the Chiefs expected inside despite the presence of Gunther Cunningham. They could invest another high round pick here because their overall production rates at just average across the board" An argument I guess could be made not to draft any lineman either on the offensive or defensive side of the ball early because there have been busts last season there were 16 LT (out of 32 teams) who were drafted in the first round compared with 18 DT (one is a backup, the others were starters at the beginning of last season) There were 56 DT's positions because some teams play a 3-4 while others employ a 4-3 set. So if my fuzzy math is almost correct; 50% of the LT's starting today were drafted in the first round while only about a third of the starting defensive tackles were drafted in the first round. It still boils down to if your team has good scouts and your GM can take this info and make good selections come draft day. 587033[/snapback] simms played on the same line (and came out in the same draft) as julius peppers. ngata hasn't been playing alongside a peppers to boost his credibility ...
LancasterSteve Posted January 29, 2006 Posted January 29, 2006 simms played on the same line (and came out in the same draft) as julius peppers. ngata hasn't been playing alongside a peppers to boost his credibility ... 587043[/snapback] Thanks for the reminder Dave. Forgot that he played on the same line as Peppers Ngata is a good player and would be an excellent fit on the Bills. After the combine and workouts to follow the rearranging of draft boards will give us a clearer picture on how this will play out. Lotta time till the draft
BuffBills#1 Posted January 29, 2006 Posted January 29, 2006 That draft proejection chart isn't be Kiper. I wouldn't look too much into it, some of those projections look terrible.
BravinSeattle Posted January 29, 2006 Posted January 29, 2006 I'm actually pretty surprised by this list. It is radically different assesments that I have seen on most other draft sites. It also seems like he only has like a handful of people going in the first round. Most shocking to me is that he thinks Jon Scott and Winston will last to day 2! It seems like most people have them projected late 1st or early 2nd. 586945[/snapback] Winston is dropping due to a serious knee injury last season and Scott is dropping because he's not very athletic and suspect in pass protection.
SnakeOiler Posted January 29, 2006 Posted January 29, 2006 i still like bunckley (DT, FSU) -- i didn't watch the whole game, but the plays i did watch, he got off the ball fast, and ran thru the guy blocking him on almost every play -- just like in the practices. Unfortunately for him, he is only 6'2" 286...he'll never be a 320# guy in the middle. I would take him round 2
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