BILLS NEW HC, OC, & DC COMBINED RECORD

[truth on hold]

15 up, 33 down -- the exact same winning percentage the bills had last year of 5 up, 11 down.

 

break down as follows:

 

jauron (lions): 5 & 11

rams (fairchild): 6 & 10

green bay (bates) 4 & 12

[MadBuffaloDisease]

DOOOOOMED!

[truth on hold]

DOOOOOMED!

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i hope not, maybe they are putting something together, who knows, only time will tell. need to stay positive but also realistic. just pointing out a coincidence with the record of the old regime versus the new one.

[Nanker]

When was Bates hired?

 

This is great news. We've only got one place to go, and that is UP!

[AJ1]

Marv wanted to hire Belichick, Parcells, and Cowher but the price would have been about $ 57 mil. Ralph said no, imagine that.

[truth on hold]

Marv wanted to hire Belichick, Parcells, and Cowher but the price would have been about $ 57 mil.  Ralph said no, imagine that.

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marv would never have those guys as coaches. if he couldn't handle the threat of sherman he'd go into seizures at the thought of that combination!

[John in VA Beach]

marv would never have those guys as coaches.  if he couldn't handle the threat of sherman he'd go into seizures at the thought of that combination!

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Threat of Sherman? marv was hands down a better coach and would have nothing to worry about. Marv never struck mew as an ego guy.

[truth on hold]

Threat of Sherman? marv was hands down a better coach and would have nothing to worry about.  Marv never struck mew as an ego guy.

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this thread was never meant as an examination of marvs ego, there are several others that do that if thats what youre looking for. simply pointing out the similarity in records between the departing and arriving coaches.

[Tortured Soul]

this thread was never meant as an examination of marvs ego, there are several others that do that if thats what youre looking for.  simply pointing out the similarity in records between the departing and arriving coaches.

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But you have to expect that, becuase if they were doing well, they wouldn't leave their jobs for a lateral move.

[truth on hold]

But you have to expect that, becuase if they were doing well, they wouldn't leave their jobs  for a lateral move.

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not necessarily, gruden left oakland after losing the AFC title game in the infamous "tuck rule" bowl. and dungy left tampa after taking them further than any previous coach ever had

[/dev/null]

the exact same winning percentage the bills had last year of 5 up, 11 down. 

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at least we'll have some consistency

[tennesseeboy]

puzzling...but let's see what they do. We go to the playoffs it won't matter what their record last year was. We don't, I can't imagine they will be around very long.

[RJ (not THAT RJ)]

not necessarily, gruden left oakland after losing the AFC title game in the infamous "tuck rule" bowl. and dungy left tampa after taking them further than any previous coach ever had

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First of all, the tuck game was a divisional playoff....

 

More importantly, though, I must ask. Why is it a bad thing that Bates (if he is hired) was 4-12 last year, but that fact hardly ever came up when people were saying that the failure to hire Mike Sherman (who was, after all, also 4-12 with the Pack) meant that the Bills were, well, doooomed?

[truth on hold]

First of all, the tuck game was a divisional playoff....

 

More importantly, though, I must ask. Why is it a bad thing that Bates (if he is hired) was 4-12 last year, but that fact hardly ever came up when people were saying that the failure to hire Mike Sherman (who was, after all, also 4-12 with the Pack) meant that the Bills were, well, doooomed?

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i think its best because his overall career record was 53 & 27

[Rubes]

For some odd reason, the name "Rudy" comes to my mind. I can't figure out why...

[Nervous Guy]

For some odd reason, the name "Rudy" comes to my mind. I can't figure out why...

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every party needs a pooper?

[Fake-Fat Sunny]

this thread was never meant as an examination of marvs ego, there are several others that do that if thats what youre looking for.  simply pointing out the similarity in records between the departing and arriving coaches.

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Maybe Marv put his foot down and threatened to hold his breath until he turned blue and Ralph decided not to hire Sherman because ofMarv's ego.

 

Even if this worse case were true, the Bills did the right thing by not hiring Sherman because the big problem I see right now with an owner promising to be more active managing the team, an inexperienced GM in having Marv around and having Modrak as a pseudo GM based in FLA is that there are too many cooks in the kitchen on this team.

 

The idea that this problem will be solved by adding yet another cook in fired GM Sherman to the mix makes little sense to me.

 

Why on earth some folks are so upset because we passed on adding an HC who was clearly pissed when the Pack stripped him of his GM responsibilities and left after he HC'ed this dismal lot he built to a 4-12 record makes little sense to me on the face of it.

 

Sherman coming here sounds like a replication of the Tom Donahoe scenario (TD was a wounded soul after Bill Cowher ran his butt out of Pittsburghlike Sherman is after they ran hisbutt out of GB.

 

The main difference is that some folks seem to expect him to IMPOSE his will and vision on the Bills (Sully's dumb words) when:

 

1. He would do this by imposing his will and vision on the inexperienced GM who hired him.

2. He would do this by imposing his will and vision on the owner who writes his checks.

3. He would do this by imposing his will and vision on a team where he is not the GM.

4. He would do this by imposing his will and vision when he just got canned in GB as GM because of his flawed team building efforts and then as HC when the team he built went 4-12 and he attempted to implement his will and vision.

 

And from this failed immediate background the expectation is that he is going to suceed in imposing his will and vision on a Bills team when he has far less power on the flowcharts than the inexperienced Marv, the owner whose money it is, and this would involved his imposing his will and vision above the pseudo-GN Modrak who also is above him on the flow chart.

 

As I think about it, the hiring of Sherman would likely have been sheer idiocy as a strategy and whether Marv did it for ego or by cool calculation it was the correct thing to do.

 

The inexperienced Levy certainly needs some supplementation to do the GM job, but the though of hiring Sherman to IMPOSE his will and vision seems like using a sledghammer to do open heart surgery.

 

Sherman is a powerful tool for good (if you ignore his recent records and live in the good works he did with Favre), but the radical surgery the Bills need (and we were so bad we need big time surgey) does not require a powerful but blunt tool tim impose his will and vision from a weaked position. We need some very skilled radical but delicate work making the many good tools the Bills have:

 

1. talented WRs but Moulds is an FA.

2. a talented RB who rushed for 2K quicker than any Bill but had a real power outage in the 2nd half of last year.

3. A vet QB who is a quality back-up but ain't a starter and a talented young QB who ain's starter quality yet (if he ever will be is a question).

4. An OL with lots of OK bodies and an extremely experienced position coach but no star player leadership

5. Some vague but completely unrealized talent at TE (the IR'ed Everett and Peters who apparently is an OL guy though I'm sorry his athleticism was never realized at TE) and a bunch of adequate at best players forced to start.

6. An LB crew once talked about as the best in football but the injury to Spikes and inability of Posey to be a force combines with a stand-up performance by Crowell to create questions.

7. An actually fairly deep and talented DB corps who between age and FA creates questions though all 4 starter have been to the Pro Bowl.

8. A DL crew which is simply far better on paper than in real life.

9. An ST crew which actually is simply one of the best in the NFL.

10. A front office of Modrak, Overdorf, Brandon etc that actually has done some demonstratively good work over the past few years (managing the cap, selling out games, moving camp to a mid-region facility).

 

Marv has his work cut out for him big time, but the task he has which he may not have the GM experience to do is to emphasize the good and de-emphasize and replace the bad. His skill shown as an HC bringing order to the Bickering Bills provides some hope (though gosh he is 80) but we need someone to supplement his skills not IMPOSE their will and vision.

 

I simply see no real way this would be likely to happen with the wounded Sherman complicating the mix.

[nobody]

You need to hire good teachers - so who better to teach a 5-11 team then coaches that have experienced 5-11.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Combined record in 2003, Jaurons last head coaching year, Bates In Miami, and Fairchild in ST. Louis.

 

Jauron 7-9

Fairchild 12-4

Bates 10-6

 

Combined record was 29-19

[Dr. Fong]

So here's the thing. They're either going to succeed or we'll reconvene in a couple of years and B word about how the new guys all suck. So what's the point of digging up obscure stats to figure out creative ways of beating the topic into the ground?