sven233 Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Good point(s) sven. 584205[/snapback] Why thank you.....
Bear Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Good point(s) sven. 584205[/snapback] errr....Clayton.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 What I want to know is whether the same situation with Sherman's contract from the Packers (meaning he still gets paid and the Pack must pay the difference if he gets another job) holds true for Bates? I know he turned down a million plus from the Rams. And I know everyone thinks that Ralph is cheap with coaches but in the NFL if you have no previous HC experience and you are just the latest hot coordinator and no one is fighting over you, which happened with GW and MM you almost always get less than the other guys. Jauron may not have signed for just peanuts, but likely more than 1.5 per season. Fairchild probably gets middle of the pack for OC. I wouldn't be surprised if Bates agrees to the job.
Shamrock Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 The Rams, over the last few years, win or lose, have had success in getting a lot out of previously thought of as mediocre QB's (Warner, Bulger), and they spread the ball around a lot. Martz is known to love the pass, but the Rams ran the ball well, at various times. I think we get, in Fairchild, a guy who is schooled in the "offensive genious" of Martz, without getting stuck with the "douche bag" that is Martz....a lot of the Rams offensive success was dependent on the running back, either running or blocking. Hopefully, Willis is in step with all of the changes, and elevates his game, the way most of us thought he would this past season. ...do we get Tom Nutten back
Nanker Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 I pray he takes the job. . . he did a good job in GB and Miami. In GB, the defense was putrid the year before he got there, and very solid this past year. He is a good one that everyone should be happy with. I predict that, if hired, Bates hiring will be the first around here this month that doesn't get a bunch of negative posts. 584149[/snapback] It won't take two seconds for some ahole in the press to write "Bates, our new master of defense... Bills' Defense - now master Bates." Quite a few of Jauron's coaching tree have had NFL success on the defensive side of the ball. I hope it is Bates, but if it isn't I think he'll make as good a selection as is possible. Here's an accounting of what's happened to his first ever hires as HC in Chicago. Linky Thing It's pretty decent - especially on D. And, one could argue that our old buddy Greg Williams (among others) is benefiting from Dick Jauron's old staff.
truth on hold Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Also from the same article: Jauron's experience pays off Bills coach Dick Jauron got a later start than the Jets' Eric Mangini, but he's jumped to a significant lead in assembling his staff. Jauron beat out the Jets for former Rams offensive coordinator Steve Fairchild. The Bills made a great hire along their defensive line by getting Bill Kollar of the Rams. Those two moves show the advantage of having an established, longtime head coach vs. a young 34-year-old head coach. Jauron has a long history in the NFL and a great reputation for assistants. Mangini is a bright mind, but he doesn't have a long background of working with different coaches. It will be interesting to see how Mangini puts his staff together. Their seems to be mutual interest with the Dallas Cowboys in former Texans offensive coordinator Chris Palmer, so it will be interesting to see if Mangini can pull Palmer away from Bill Parcells. Although it is all from The Nerd, so take it for what its worth. And wasn't Clayton completely hating on Jauron just a few days ago? Now he's a genius for the staff he's putting together? Ahhh E$PN. 584153[/snapback] the jets are a complete mess, the odds on favorite to finish with the worst record next year. comparing anyone to them is bound to make anyone look good
John in VA Beach Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 the jets are a complete mess, the odds on favorite to finish with the worst record next year. comparing anyone to them is bound to make anyone look good 584234[/snapback] Well, thats true. However, the Jets are direct competition in the staffs being built and of course the division. So it is significantif the patriots are on the downsloap and the jets stink next year. I remember just a few days ago a lot of folks were saying, how can the the bills staff hope to compete with mangini, glad to see that appears to no longer be a concern..
obie_wan Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Actually, I like the Fairchild hire. Given Ralphs' cheapness with HC's, you knew we weren't going to get a bonifide, established guy. I 584177[/snapback] and who would fit your description of a bona fide, established guy who wanted to work as a OC? The best candidate is probably on the staff as QB coach already. Martz is holding out for a HC job.
stevewin Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 I think we get, in Fairchild, a guy who is schooled in the "offensive genious" of Martz, without getting stuck with the "douche bag" that is Martz....
plenzmd1 Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 What I want to know is whether the same situation with Sherman's contract from the Packers (meaning he still gets paid and the Pack must pay the difference if he gets another job) holds true for Bates? 584215[/snapback] Are we sure hes getting paid by the Pack? Seems to me he QUIT as DC in GB, even though they wanted him to stay. I could not find any report of a financial agreement in the media. Seems to me the Pack doesn't owe him anything. I know Clayton said he would be paid by the Pack , but I am just not sure. If he is, hell of a nice parting gift for them in consideration for not getting the HC job .
Orton's Arm Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 I like the Fairchild hire. I thought he did a good job of going to a more run-oriented offense once he started calling the Rams' plays. You could see the Rams were having more success with that than they would have had under Martz's pass-happy style.
Campy Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 errr....Clayton. 584208[/snapback] I actually posted that from my PSP. The lack of a keyboard makes longer posts impossible, but what I should have posted was that the points he stated can not be over-emphasized IMO. Jauron seems to have a very good rep with other coaches, if not with fans, and if his coaching/management style is what I'm thinking it must be to have had Marv offer him the job, it would make Bflo an attractive place to work for a coordinator/position coach.
Buftex Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 I keep seeing references to Ralph's frugality, but frankly, I don't know how they can be justified. 30 years ago, yeah, he was a cheap SOB. But everything the Bills have done since the late 80's sure didn't seem to be short-cutted or cheap. In fact, it seems that most everything has been done pretty close to 1st class -- from the Training Camps that became the league model to the gameday experience, he spends money. 584191[/snapback] The only time Ralph has had a HC whose pay ranked in the top half of the leauge, was Chuck Knox...Marv Levy, even after four Super Bowl appearences, was never a top paid head coach. Ralph has been willing to dole out money for players, but not coaches. It is an "old school" mentality. Al Davis has the same attitude...
Campy Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Are we sure hes getting paid by the Pack? Seems to me he QUIT as DC in GB, even though they wanted him to stay. 584318[/snapback] He was a little peeved that they passed over him and went with McCarthy as the HC in GB. After meeting with McCarthy, both sides decided it was time for a change at DC -- Polite way of saying that neither was too pleased with the other and a satisfactory settlement had been reached.
Buftex Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 and who would fit your description of a bona fide, established guy who wanted to work as a OC? The best candidate is probably on the staff as QB coach already. Martz is holding out for a HC job. 584294[/snapback] I don't know that there is one (outside of Martz or Marriuci, maybe Heimerdinger and a handful of college guys), but if there was, we wouldn't likely get them. I like the Fairchild move, but look at all of the other posts, wishing for guys that will never come here....
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Oh man the bitter irony if SOPRANO is right... 584147[/snapback] Blind Squirrel: "hey look, a nut!"
obie_wan Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 I don't know that there is one (outside of Martz or Marriuci, maybe Heimerdinger and a handful of college guys), but if there was, we wouldn't likely get them. I like the Fairchild move, but look at all of the other posts, wishing for guys that will never come here.... 584521[/snapback] Heimerdinger got out of his contract specifically to take over for Kubiak in Denver. There are definitely more DC candidates than OC candidates this year. That's why Wyche will be the Bills ace in the hole.
nero47 Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 I would love to see Bates, but not to be a pessimist, my gut tells me he won't take the job. Not only is Ralph likely not to shell out much for him, he is an older, established guy who seems to envision himself a HC. Would he want to come to work in Buffalo, with the situation as shaky as it is, for a HC who has been pegged as being a defensive coach? I hope I am wrong, but I just don't see it happening...he won't stay unemployed for long. 584177[/snapback] What is with the money angle on everything? Coaches who are paid top money have either been in the playoffs consistently, won or been to super bowls, and are normally on the same team for years. Is Ralph cheap? I don't know, but when you are job hunting, the company makes an offer, then you counter. Then both sides compromise. As for bates not being unemployed long, consider that the DC position are almost all filled, and sitting out a year will not get you better money next year, unless he gets an HC job. I haven't heard of him being offered jobs by other clubs yet. I think he will take the position, then spring board to an HC opening next year.
Buftex Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 What is with the money angle on everything? Coaches who are paid top money have either been in the playoffs consistently, won or been to super bowls, and are normally on the same team for years. 584536[/snapback] That is exactly the point. Ralph is interviewing guys like Capers, Caldwell, April, and Jauron....any coincidence that all have no real track record of success, to base their salary demands on? Martz (not interviewed) and Sherman (interviewed, but not hired) would have fit the criteria of HC's with experience, some success, and would likely command a much higher salary than Jauron. Believe me, Jauron, of all the guys interviewed, would have been my choice too. If it were up to me, though (and I know it is not), I might have interviewed 6 completely different candidates.... If Ralph really was willing to pay coaches the market value for established coaches, he wouldn't be hiring guys like Gregg Williams, Mike Mularkey, or Dick Jauron. That is not even a slap at those three guys, just a fact. Instead of hiring Williams, he could have at least made an attempt to bring in a Parcells, or even a friggin' Joe Gibbs. Sure, they were retired at the time, but Washington and Dallas were able to make an offer big enough, they couldn't refuse. Ralph doesn't work like that. I am sure that he doesn't have as much money as Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder, but to pretrend that money has not played a factor in deciding who will coach in Buffalo, or not, is pretty naive. I am sure it is not so much that Ralph is cheap, but he is not going to pay top dollar, because he is not likely to make back as much as he would like, with the Bills current set up, in Buffalo. It is likely a sound business decision. In business, the object isn't only to make a profit, you set a percentage of how much profit you want to make, anything less, is a waste of your efforts. Every business that goes out of business, does not do so, because they are not making any money. They go out of business, because they are not making enough money....
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