R. Rich Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 I just have to know: is it REALLY true that RJ had a 95 QB rating while in Buffalo and Drew is hovering around 78??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 I just have to know: is it REALLY true that RJ had a 95 QB rating while in Buffalo and Drew is hovering around 78??? 42300[/snapback] No way...I cannot believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted September 22, 2004 Author Share Posted September 22, 2004 I thought that too, Kelly, but HS said he had someone do the figures for both QBs during their Buffalo tenure. Drew had a huge advantage in passing yardage (7,500 or so compared to RJ's 4,700 or so), but they were almost even in sacks and RJ had a better completion % too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 I thought that too, Kelly, but HS said he had someone do the figures for both QBs during their Buffalo tenure. Drew had a huge advantage in passing yardage (7,500 or so compared to RJ's 4,700 or so), but they were almost even in sacks and RJ had a better completion % too. 42311[/snapback] I read tonight that Drew has been sacked 111 times in 34 games. WOW...thats a stevestojan load of times sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dive Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 111 sacks, hell even if you put a third of them on him (which is very high) the total times he has been sacked and knocked down is tragic. People keep bitching about Drew....Hell I'd be patting the ball before I passed too, just to be sure I had feeling in my hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Career rating...83.6 http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1033 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Quick calculation on my part puts RJ at 85.5 for the Bills. For 2002-2003 Drew has had a QB rating of 80.3. Drew had almost as many yards passing his first season as RJ did his full 4 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 QB Rating is a crock. 1. Johnson didn't throw any interceptions because he only threw to guys who were wide open. 2. He didn't throw many incompletions because he was too stupid to throw the ball away. 3. Finally, QB rating doesn't factor in sacks. Way too many of Johnson's were his own fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 QB Rating is a crock. 1. Johnson didn't throw any interceptions because he only threw to guys who were wide open. 2. He didn't throw many incompletions because he was too stupid to throw the ball away. 3. Finally, QB rating doesn't factor in sacks. Way too many of Johnson's were his own fault. 42357[/snapback] #2 and #3 combine in this. Waaaaay too many of his sacks were him running out of bounds after being flushed out of the pocket (at least he had a way out....). Throw the damn thing away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 I supported RJ over Flutie, but once I saw that Gruden couldn't even get anything out of RJ I figured he's just not the QB I hoped he was. We should have stuck with Flutie.....we would have been more competitive and we'd still have that pick we gave up for Drew. I also think Losman may have benefitted more learning from Flutie. Then again, I got sick of Flutie's ego and his unwillingness to take repsonsibility for the fact that he's short lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 QB Rating is a crock. 1. Johnson didn't throw any interceptions because he only threw to guys who were wide open. 2. He didn't throw many incompletions because he was too stupid to throw the ball away. 3. Finally, QB rating doesn't factor in sacks. Way too many of Johnson's were his own fault. 42357[/snapback] I dosagree that qb ratungs are a crock< they are badly flawed as shown by the calculations on HS, but its flaws are easily understood and explained as you point out in your post when a result turns yp that makes no sense. One would be totally foolish to taje this rating (ir any 1 stat quite frankly) as clearly showing who is the best QB. However, rather than being a crock (which I take from your context to be a complete or virtually complete rejection of it) it is a good tool to take strong account of when considering the quality of a QB. The vast vast najority of better QBs will have higher rankings and the vast vast majority of crappy QBs will have crappy rankings. As bad as it may be, it by far is the best thing out there in terms of trying to pull off the flawed idea of reducing reality tp statistics. I like the QB rating and I like it alot. Do you have something better that allows for easy comparison between individuls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Dan, your numbers are correct; I'm not sure where Neil got his. Did you e-mail him about this yet, or did anyone catch a correction on today's show? (I got home from work at midnight, haven't had a chance to watch the tape from today yet. Damn - wish I hadn't taped over yesterday's.) And to whom it may concern, I've already stated my dislike for the NFL's QB-rating system quite a few times in this forum.... For the record, here's how you figure QB rating: [(completion % - 30)*0.05 + (yds/attempt - 3)*0.25 + (TD % * 0.2) + 2.375-(INT % * 0.25)] / 6 * 100 My apologies for the non-formatting of these stats.... seems like cut/paste from my Excel spreadsheet doesn't work so well with message board software..... Rob: (regular season stats only) 98: 67-107; 62.6%; 910 yds; 8.50 yds/att; 8 TD; 7.48 TD%; 3 INT; 2.80 INT%; 29 sacks-163 yds; 102.94 rating 99: 25-34; 73.5%; 298 yds; 8.76 yds/att; 2 TD; 5.88 TD%; 0 INT; 0.0 INT%; 1 sack-9 yds; 119.49 rating 00: 175-306; 57.2%; 2125 yds; 6.94 yds/att; 12 TD; 3.92 TD%; 7 INT; 2.29 INT%; 48 sacks-291 yds; 82.22 rating 01: 134-216; 62.0%; 1465 yds; 6.78 yds/att; 5 TD; 2.31 TD%; 7 INT; 3.24 INT%; 31 sacks-196 yds; 76.25 rating Buffalo totals, in 30 games/26 starts: 401-663; 60.5%; 4798 yds; 7.24 yds/att; 27 TD; 4.07 TD%; 17 INT; 2.56 INT%; 109 sacks-659 yds; 85.53 rating average/game: 13-22; 160 yds; 1 TD; 1 INT; 4 sacks-22 yds average/start: 15-26; 185 yds; 1 TD; 1 INT; 4 sacks-25 yds Drew: 02: 375-610; 61.5%; 4359 yds; 7.15 yds/att; 24 TD; 3.93 TD%; 15 INT; 2.46 INT%; 54 sacks-369 yds; 85.96 rating 03: 274-471; 58.2%; 2860 yds; 6.07 yds/att; 11 TD; 2.34 TD%; 12 INT; 2.55 INT%; 49 sacks-371 yds; 73.03 rating 04: 30-50; 60.0%; 351 yds; 7.02 yds/att; 2 TD; 4.00 TD%; 1 INT; 2.00 INT%; 8 sacks-52 yds; 86.33 rating Buffalo totals. in 34 games/34 starts: 679-1131; 60.0%; 7570 yds; 6.69 yds/att; 37 TD; 3.27 TD%; 28 INT; 2.48 INT%; 111 sacks-792 yds; 80.59 rating average/start: 20-33; 223 yds; 1 TD; 1 INT; 3 sacks-23 yds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMCBillsFan Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Dan, your numbers are correct; I'm not sure where Neil got his. Did you e-mail him about this yet, or did anyone catch a correction on today's show? (I got home from work at midnight, haven't had a chance to watch the tape from today yet. Damn - wish I hadn't taped over yesterday's.) And to whom it may concern, I've already stated my dislike for the NFL's QB-rating system quite a few times in this forum.... For the record, here's how you figure QB rating: [(completion % - 30)*0.05 + (yds/attempt - 3)*0.25 + (TD % * 0.2) + 2.375 - (INT % * 0.25)] / 6 * 100 My apologies for the non-formatting of these stats.... seems like cut/paste from my Excel spreadsheet doesn't work so well with message board software..... Rob: (regular season stats only) 98: 67-107; 62.6%; 910 yds; 8.50 yds/att; 8 TD; 7.48 TD%; 3 INT; 2.80 INT%; 29 sacks-163 yds; 102.94 rating 99: 25-34; 73.5%; 298 yds; 8.76 yds/att; 2 TD; 5.88 TD%; 0 INT; 0.0 INT%; 1 sack-9 yds; 119.49 rating 00: 175-306; 57.2%; 2125 yds; 6.94 yds/att; 12 TD; 3.92 TD%; 7 INT; 2.29 INT%; 48 sacks-291 yds; 82.22 rating 01: 134-216; 62.0%; 1465 yds; 6.78 yds/att; 5 TD; 2.31 TD%; 7 INT; 3.24 INT%; 31 sacks-196 yds; 76.25 rating Buffalo totals, in 30 games/26 starts: 401-663; 60.5%; 4798 yds; 7.24 yds/att; 27 TD; 4.07 TD%; 17 INT; 2.56 INT%; 109 sacks-659 yds; 85.53 rating average/game: 13-22; 160 yds; 1 TD; 1 INT; 4 sacks-22 yds average/start: 15-26; 185 yds; 1 TD; 1 INT; 4 sacks-25 yds Drew: 02: 375-610; 61.5%; 4359 yds; 7.15 yds/att; 24 TD; 3.93 TD%; 15 INT; 2.46 INT%; 54 sacks-369 yds; 85.96 rating 03: 274-471; 58.2%; 2860 yds; 6.07 yds/att; 11 TD; 2.34 TD%; 12 INT; 2.55 INT%; 49 sacks-371 yds; 73.03 rating 04: 30-50; 60.0%; 351 yds; 7.02 yds/att; 2 TD; 4.00 TD%; 1 INT; 2.00 INT%; 8 sacks-52 yds; 86.33 rating Buffalo totals. in 34 games/34 starts: 679-1131; 60.0%; 7570 yds; 6.69 yds/att; 37 TD; 3.27 TD%; 28 INT; 2.48 INT%; 111 sacks-792 yds; 80.59 rating average/start: 20-33; 223 yds; 1 TD; 1 INT; 3 sacks-23 yds 42570[/snapback] That made my head hurt.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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