The Tomcat Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 All I heard was the tailend of an answer in which DJ said something along the lines of, "If you're asking specifically about John Shoop -- yes." 580409[/snapback] OH...you mean this guy!!! no thank you John Shoop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasper13 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I was not impressed. Jauron just read from the "Head Coaching 101: What to say when you are Hired" script the NFL hands out. Levy did nothing but make excuses why Jauron stunk in Chicago. I knew there would be a bunch of "I like what he had to say" posts. Just a big, fat blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I think one of the reports asked DJ along with the other coordinators in buffalo will Shoop also be a consideration and DJ said yes. 580421[/snapback] Thanks. And BOOOO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Easy, Bill. He wasn't being disrespectful. His point was that it doesn't take one type of personality to be a very good coach. This was an assist on a question asked Jauron about his rep as a player's coach, and whether that style would work in Buffalo. Marv followed up DJ's answer with his point that it's only important to be respected, that when he started naming pairs like Lombardi/Landrey; Cowher/Dungy; Ditka/Vermeil... Don't look for reasons to get angry. That's what the pre-season's for! 580415[/snapback] What, only Marv has ever called Vermeil a cryer? As you pointed out, Levy did give respect to all the coaches he mentioned by saying they were all great coaches and that his point was that many different styles can be succesfull. Maybe Bill is having a bad day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 OH...you mean this guy!!! no thank you John Shoop 580428[/snapback] If he brings Shoop in as the OC, trade in your season tickets, seriously. Shoop is an incompetent boob and is universally loathed by all Bears fans for his inept offenses and ridiculous calls. Wow, just wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 All I heard was the tailend of an answer in which DJ said something along the lines of, "If you're asking specifically about John Shoop -- yes." 580409[/snapback] The question something along the lines of "Did you learn anything since your time in Chicago about hiring Coordinators, such as Schoop." It was pretty close to that. His answer wasn't really defending Schoop but it also wasn't a ringing endorsement. Typical coachspeak and political correctness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Whoa, whoa, whoa...all I heard was a reporter asking him if he learned anything in terms of hiring guys like Schoop (which I took it as saying how much of a failure Schoop was) and Jauron said "Yes". NOTHING about bringing Schoop in, if anything he acknowledged hiring Schoop was a mistake in Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 OH...you mean this guy!!! no thank you John Shoop 580428[/snapback] Message Board There is much evidence to support the firing of John Shoop. Consider this: Football teams in today's NFL typically script their first 15 plays. The Bears are no exception. Shoop says, “I script the entire thing. I have the first fifteen plays written down to feel out the defense and we’ll do some different personnel groupings. From those fifteen plays, you can find the path that the other team is figuring out. We do a good job of sticking to our game plan.” I'm having a hard time figuring out the path that Shoop is finding out that the other team is figuring out, but we at FireJohnShoop.com have found what appears to be a good first 15 plays. 1. Anthony Thomas up the middle. 2. Lateral to Dez White and hope he doesn't fumble. 3. Wide receiver screen, typically good for half the yards needed for a first down. 4. Punt. Pause here to figure out what the other team is figuring out. 5. Anthony Thomas up the middle. 6. False start. 7. Play action, check down to Anthony Thomas in the back field. 8. Fake a draw. Run a Kordell keeper behind the decoy. 9. Wide receiver screen again, it has to work this time. 10. Punt. Hope Maynard gets off a good one this time. 11. Throw deep to Marty Booker to try to climb out of 14-0 hole. 11. Anthony Thomas up the middle. 12. Fumbleruski. 13. Anthony Thomas up the middle. 14. Punt again. 15. Go deep for a score, but only if there is less than 2 minutes left in the half. This guy stole MM/TC's playbook!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Whoa, whoa, whoa...all I heard was a reporter asking him if he learned anything in terms of hiring guys like Schoop (which I took it as saying how much of a failure Schoop was) and Jauron said "Yes". NOTHING about bringing Schoop in, if anything he acknowledged hiring Schoop was a mistake in Chicago. 580452[/snapback] I really hope your right...its hard to hear questions from the press..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Whoa, whoa, whoa...all I heard was a reporter asking him if he learned anything in terms of hiring guys like Schoop (which I took it as saying how much of a failure Schoop was) and Jauron said "Yes". NOTHING about bringing Schoop in, if anything he acknowledged hiring Schoop was a mistake in Chicago. 580452[/snapback] Ah, that's a BIG relief.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 The question something along the lines of "Did you learn anything since your time in Chicago about hiring Coordinators, such as Schoop." It was pretty close to that. His answer wasn't really defending Schoop but it also wasn't a ringing endorsement. Typical coachspeak and political correctness. 580440[/snapback] Woah! Your post makes it sound like DJ was saying he learned how not to hire a OC from the debacle that was Shoop. Is that accurate? If so , great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Whoa, whoa, whoa...all I heard was a reporter asking him if he learned anything in terms of hiring guys like Schoop (which I took it as saying how much of a failure Schoop was) and Jauron said "Yes". NOTHING about bringing Schoop in, if anything he acknowledged hiring Schoop was a mistake in Chicago. 580452[/snapback] I hope you're right. I am breathing agian... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 What, only Marv has ever called Vermeil a cryer? As you pointed out, Levy did give respect to all the coaches he mentioned by saying they were all great coaches and that his point was that many different styles can be succesfull. Maybe Bill is having a bad day. 580431[/snapback] No, Bill is having a good day. I am defensive about Vermeil. Do you know much about him? He paid the rent of Leonard Tose after he lost his family, the Eagles, and everything else to compulsive gambling. The great return man on KC was an abandoned child. He spoke of Mr. and Mrs. Vermeil as the parents that he never had. I happen to believe that Vermeil is as good a person as there has ever been in the NFL. I liken him to Reggie White. I didn't understand the context in which the statements were made, thus the anger. Thanks for the correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 No, Bill is having a good day. I am defensive about Vermeil. Do you know much about him? He paid the rent of Leonard Tose after he lost his family, the Eagles, and everything else to compulsive gambling. The great return man on KC was an abandoned child. He spoke of Mr. and Mrs. Vermeil as the parents that he never had. I happen to believe that Vermeil is as good a person as there has ever been in the NFL. I liken him to Reggie White. I didn't understand the context in which the statements were made, thus the anger. Thanks for the correction. 580467[/snapback] i'm just interjecting at this point of the argument, so i don't know if it was answered before, but levy was just comparing Ditka, a hard nose no crap coach to vermeil who shows emotion and cries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 No, Bill is having a good day. I am defensive about Vermeil. Do you know much about him? He paid the rent of Leonard Tose after he lost his family, the Eagles, and everything else to compulsive gambling. The great return man on KC was an abandoned child. He spoke of Mr. and Mrs. Vermeil as the parents that he never had. I happen to believe that Vermeil is as good a person as there has ever been in the NFL. I liken him to Reggie White. I didn't understand the context in which the statements were made, thus the anger. Thanks for the correction. 580467[/snapback] Don't worry Bill, there was no criticism whatsoever about Vermiel or any of the other coaches Marv mentioned. He was simply contrasting how different personalities can also be great coaches, thus the comparison of Ditka/Vermeil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Don't worry Bill, there was no criticism whatsoever about Vermiel or any of the other coaches Marv mentioned. He was simply contrasting how different personalities can also be great coaches, thus the comparison of Ditka/Vermeil. 580480[/snapback] Thanks to you and others for the clarification. Imo, men such as Coach Vermeil and Reggie White are what keeps this game together. They are the unsung heros. Coach V. never told a soul that he was helping out Tose. I think that it came out on a 60 minutes segment, or something of the sort. He is a wonderful man and a great coach. Btw, he was the oldest coach in the NFL last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Whoa, whoa, whoa...all I heard was a reporter asking him if he learned anything in terms of hiring guys like Schoop (which I took it as saying how much of a failure Schoop was) and Jauron said "Yes". NOTHING about bringing Schoop in, if anything he acknowledged hiring Schoop was a mistake in Chicago. 580452[/snapback] What he said was they are hiring Mike Schopp and the Bulldog as coordinators and Jerry Sullivan as asst. HC. They are, after all, the smartest football minds in town. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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