2003Contenders Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Food for thought regarding this post. We had the chance to chat with Gregg William as well. Here is a question that goes to your assertion. Gregg Williams Chat From bpoch What have you been able to learn from Coach Gibbs that you feel can help you when you decide to become a head coach again? Gregg Williams: Quote: The top thing I’ve learned is to make sure that I surround myself with quality people, and them being able to handle things that you can’t handle yourself. More specifically, like having a coach be in charge administratively of things that I don’t want to do which would take me away from actually coaching the players. I desperately want to always be involved with coaching the players – I think I am pretty decent at doing that. As a head coach the first time around, I wasn’t able to do that as much as I would have liked. He’s hired enough staff and enough help to make sure that he is still involved in day-to-day coaching duties and that is what I’ll do the next time too. 579848[/snapback] Like I said, maybe GW learned from his first time out -- and he is clearly saying the right things here. However, it is very diffcult for a control freak to change the way he does things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I don't see how we could possibly have a rational debate on the 'Players Make the System' vs. 'System Makes the Players' argument without Hollywood Donahoe and AKC trading blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 Let's get back on point. We're talking about the HC here, not the GM. How many games did your GM win you this year? Why don't you take a vote of Redskins nation and see how many of your fellow fans think Joe Gibbs was immaterial to the team's success at any point in his coaching career. That it was all about player personnel and high character and good coordinators, and the HC just was a delegator and mouthpiece? 579903[/snapback] Vinny Cerrato? How many games did he win us this year.....hmmmmm. How about if I let him tell you and you decide.... Warning long post. Vinny Cerrato Chat From ExtremeSkins Staff One of the areas fans are often unclear about is the Redskins' current process for determining team needs and then carrying out subsequent talent evaluation. We know that the process involves Coach Gibbs and his staff), you and your scouting staff, and Dan Snyder. Can you talk about the current arrangement, and/or perhaps walk us through the process that netted C Casey Rabach as an example? Quote: Vinny Cerrato It'd probably be easier to take you through the Rabach signing. We have three pro scouts that grade every player on every team. Come the middle of January, once the season's over, we'll sit down and have a meeting just with the Pro Scouts. We will come up with a list of guys they've graded that are graded high enough that they feel are better than what we have and can improve our football team. We take that list then and give it to each position coach. Say there are 10 offensive linemen for Joe Bugel to watch. There might be five tight ends. So each coach is getting a certain amount of players. They will take that list and they will grade all those players and put them in a ranking order. They take a week to 10 days to do that. Then we will get together as all the Pro Scouts and -- if it's an offensive position -- all the offensive coaches along with Coach Gibbs. We will sit in a room and the first thing we will do is the Pro Scout will read his report and talk about the guy's background and everything. Then the coach will read his report. Then we'll watch the tape. We'll watch about three or four game tapes on every guy. When we get done watching the tape we write a report, a Redskin report. We go around the room asking everyone their opinion, write the report and come up with a Redskin grade. We will do that with each guy. Say there's five guys. We'll watch all five. After we watch the second one (we ask) do we like the second one better than the first and we put them in a ranking order. Then when we're done with that position we take our players who are on our football team and put them in that ranking. So, say, that we're at a position where all of our players are better than anybody in free agency, of course we're not going to try to sign anybody. But if there's a position, say we were looking at centers, and there were three guys better than anybody we have, so we know we can upgrade if we sign one of these guys. We do that with every position and it takes about two weeks. Follow question Then you can't possibly be a yes man because you can't beat the boss...... Quote: Vinny Cerrato The thing about it is the way things are done here is everybody is involved. When we do the draft and when we do free agency, it's not me. It's not my list. It's not my guy that we're picking. It's the Redskins guy. Like I said before, we sit down as a whole group and grade these players. On our draft card on our top guys there are probably six grades (from different personnel people or coaches) so it's all cumulative when we talk about these players. When we sit in a room and we write a Redskin report, I'm filling out the report as we're talking through the guy about his strengths and his weaknesses. What I do is I go to the coordinator or the head coach (and ask) in my summary on the report, "How does this guy fit into our team? What does he do for us?" Then we will rank the player. It is not any one person's list. I'm not a yes man for the owner. What my job is, is to basically have everything organized to make it easy for everybody to have the right names, to make sure that everybody gets a say so on everybody that we talk about. Follow question ESPN Insider wrote the other day how teams come about their decisions. One of the things written was that pretty much was that Dan and you are the overriding people making decisions, so if Joe Gibbs wanted a player, he'd really have to sell you on it, and if he couldn't sell you on it, you guys would say yes or no. Or does Joe Gibbs have the final say? Or does Dan Snyder have the final say? Quote: Vinny Cerrato That's totally false. The coach has the final say. We'll go through the whole process. We'll put everybody in an order. Then it will come down to the coach saying this is what I need or this is what I don't need. Dan takes no say so in the player moves. He gives it all to Coach Gibbs. We all work together to come up with an answer and then the coach makes the final call. Like he says, somebody has to make the final call. He does. He takes all the information and the thing that he does that's great is we go over it and over it and he asks everybody's opinion and everybody's opinion counts, from the trainers, to the strength coaches, to the scouts, to everybody. He wants every opinion, every bit of information, then we'll make a good decision and he'll make the final call. So, the Insider is totally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 So, the Insider is totally wrong. Funkyalligator How is it that every year the "media" tells the world that the Redskins will be in cap hell, but yet it never comes about...Do they not understand the basics behind the cap or is the cap as difficult to understand as the tax system? Quote: Vinny Cerrato It's about planning and it's about budgeting. It's about knowing what you can and can't do. The thing that we have an advantage of over most teams is that cash creates cap. Our owner allows us to spend cash which creates cap room. What we do historically is we give big signing bonuses and then small Paragraph 5s, which makes the cap number smaller, which allows you to have more players. When you see these big signing bonuses they are spread out over seven years. What we've learned over the years is not to overpay older guys. If you'll notice all the guys we're paying larger signing bonuses to are young guys who can play out the contract so their cap burns off every year. In a situation like Coles, which is not normal, we took a big cap hit, but by getting Chris Samuels done it allowed us to take his whole hit this year. After this year we have zero left of Laveranues' cap. We're taking over a $9 million cap hit this year, but after this season we have no more cap room of Laveraneus. We weren't allowed to do certain things because of this. It limited some of the things we could and couldn't do, but it was all planned and budgeted out. Follow question On the Coles situation, you say it was planned and budgeted out. It wasn't planned last year, so it was planned at some point this year in the offseason. Was this something you guys knew was going to happen in early January, or after you started evaluating players? Quote: Vinny Cerrato I think it started out in early January after the season. We were just weighing options of what we could and couldn't do and what our options were on the salary cap, if we could or couldn't do anything. Then we came up with a game plan, "All right if we do this, then we can do that. Or if we do this then we have to do (something else)." We evaluated every option that was out there. We decided that this was best for the Redskins, the option that we took, because the player had value. So we got some value in return for Laveranues leaving. ------------------------------------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 Why don't you take a vote of Redskins nation and see how many of your fellow fans think Joe Gibbs was immaterial to the team's success at any point in his coaching career. That it was all about player personnel and high character and good coordinators, and the HC just was a delegator and mouthpiece? 579903[/snapback] I missed this part of your post. Why not take a vote where fans admit that Joe Gibbs was immaterial to the teams success? wow. just wow. What is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BackInDaDay Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 And so why can't the same thing happen in Buffalo that is happening in Washington? 579915[/snapback] Because our owner cannot set a course and stick to it. His lack of vision and commitment permeates through the ranks of GM and HC. If Donahoe and Mularkey had a proper plan in place for '05 which included an O led by a virtual rookie, to be supported by a strong D and STs, they abandoned it after 4 weeks. I'm not going to rehash the why for you, but suffice it to say that either a plan was abandoned, or none existed. There has never been a strong commitment or sense of urgency from our owner to build a solid team. Abysmal seasons brought him more talented rookies than he knew what to do with. Luckily he had a GM in the late 80's with a clue. Marv stepped into quite a nice situation. All he had to do was keep the talent from killing each other. But in the end, it was Marv's lack of strong game-planning skills, specifically defensively, which cost us SB titles. As far as Wilson goes, it was his impatience that cost Williams his first coaching staff, as it would have cost Mularkey his. Maybe one day Mularkey will be able to face Tom Clements, now that he's gone from this freak show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Quote:Vinny Cerrato That's totally false. The coach has the final say. 579931[/snapback] Guess what. I'm even more worried now. What this tells me is that if Gibbs hadn't reentered the picture, the Skins would still be bumbling around like when Danny boy was playing GM. You get a HOF coach back in the picture, and shazam... I do not want Dick having the final say over anything, other than "do you want the 16 ounce size or the commemorative mug?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 Because our owner cannot set a course and stick to it.His lack of vision and commitment permeates through the ranks of GM and HC. If Donahoe and Mularkey had a proper plan in place for '05 which included an O led by a virtual rookie, to be supported by a strong D and STs, they abandoned it after 4 weeks. I'm not going to rehash the why for you, but suffice it to say that either a plan was abandoned, or none existed. There has never been a strong commitment or sense of urgency from our owner to build a solid team. Abysmal seasons brought him more talented rookies than he knew what to do with. Luckily he had a GM in the late 80's with a clue. Marv stepped into quite a nice situation. All he had to do was keep the talent from killing each other. But in the end, it was Marv's lack of strong game-planning skills, specifically defensively, which cost us SB titles. As far as Wilson goes, it was his impatience that cost Williams his first coaching staff, as it would have cost Mularkey his. Maybe one day Mularkey will be able to face Tom Clements, now that he's gone from this freak show. 579958[/snapback] There were many in Washington that said the same thing about Dan Snyder. That was until Joe Gibbs came to the scene. Ralph Wilson is not as open minded as Dan Snyder? Will Wilson allow Levy to do his job? He should and he will. Just for the record, I was at the game that turned your season around for the worse. It was the Atlanta home matchup. Your team lost TKO. You leader on defense and in many ways your team leader period. For whatever reason that loss permeated throughout the organization and fan base. I would add that at that game I was amazed by the negativity displayed by the fans in the stadium. My brother and I were sitting in the "Rock Pile" which was crazy enough. But the stadium was full of boos and negative comments. Maybe it is you fan base that is never satisfied with a decision that is made that is the problem. You have an owner who is trying to do things to create positive momentum in light of fan reaction but the fans are not having any of it. Face it, even if Losman was the next coming of Peyton Manning, your fan base would not have the patience to allow it to develop. I have phrase that would apply to the average Buffalo Bills fan sufficiently. "Lighten up, Francis." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 There were many in Washington that said the same thing about Dan Snyder. That was until Joe Gibbs came to the scene.579988[/snapback] "Sir, I served with Joe Gibbs, I knew Joe Gibbs, Joe Gibbs was a friend of mine. ML, you are no Joe Gibbs." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 Guess what. I'm even more worried now. What this tells me is that if Gibbs hadn't reentered the picture, the Skins would still be bumbling around like when Danny boy was playing GM. You get a HOF coach back in the picture, and shazam... I do not want Dick having the final say over anything, other than "do you want the 16 ounce size or the commemorative mug?" 579959[/snapback] Not suprisingly, you missed the point. Cerrato and Snyder were widely criticized by local media for their decision making process. They thought Snyder had too much control in the decision making process. The process if you read throughly is that the GM, owner, Head Coach, Assistants all have a role in the development of the franchise. The fact that Gibbs has the final say demonstrates the respect that most teams have for the head coach. We are no different than your team in that respect. Gibbs = Levy except Gibbs has a clipboard and stands on the sidelines. Do you know who actually calls the plays in the Redskins offense? I say that knowing in advance that you do not respect Levy's ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Gibbs = Levy except Gibbs has a clipboard and stands on the sidelines. 580011[/snapback] I seriously doubt your fellow Skins fans would call Joe Gibbs a clip board holder. I'm starting to think you're just a troll out for a good time. Danny and Vinney are just fantasy football guys, and if Gibbs didn't come back on the scene, the Skins wouldn't have a whiff of the success they've had over the past two years. I respect ML a lot. But he's never put a team together, his first hire is a career loser (even during his playing career) and all the Ivy League brainpower in the world isn't going to help him now. I'll take the guy from San Diego State any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BackInDaDay Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 There were many in Washington that said the same thing about Dan Snyder. That was until Joe Gibbs came to the scene. Ralph Wilson is not as open minded as Dan Snyder? Will Wilson allow Levy to do his job? He should and he will. Just for the record, I was at the game that turned your season around for the worse. It was the Atlanta home matchup. Your team lost TKO. You leader on defense and in many ways your team leader period. For whatever reason that loss permeated throughout the organization and fan base. I would add that at that game I was amazed by the negativity displayed by the fans in the stadium. My brother and I were sitting in the "Rock Pile" which was crazy enough. But the stadium was full of boos and negative comments. Maybe it is you fan base that is never satisfied with a decision that is made that is the problem. You have an owner who is trying to do things to create positive momentum in light of fan reaction but the fans are not having any of it. Face it, even if Losman was the next coming of Peyton Manning, your fan base would not have the patience to allow it to develop. I have phrase that would apply to the average Buffalo Bills fan sufficiently. "Lighten up, Francis." 579988[/snapback] You asked a question, I gave you an answer. I have no problem with your opinions, but don't be condescending. I have rooted for this team for over four decades and I don't need your sorry ass telling me what kind of fan to be. You think buying a ticket to a Bills game buys you a glimpse into the souls of the fans? I can tell by the questions you ask that you have no freaking clue about Bills fans. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 Lurker and Back in da day, I leave with the door hitting me in the ass with one final post. This is what cynical fans and the media were saying days after Joe Gibbs was brought back to Washington. I daresay the similarity to the tone of this article with the current undertow of Buffalo sentiment will be familiar. Plus I couln't help it, there is an O.J. reference in the article. 1)As far as being a troll. I am sorry you see it that way considering I am in many ways supporting your team and the decisions they are making. Where am I tearing down the organization or the team for personal pleasure? 2) I am not here to tell you Buffalo fans of four decades how to act. That being said, I saw a Falcon fan leave the Ralph on a stretcher from knife wounds just two section over. And there is no way you can discount the fact that their is a negativity that permenates that stadium unlike any I have ever witnessed. Finally, was not being condescending to you personally, just questioning a legitimate obsevation at a football game. By Len Pasquarelli ESPN.com As the O.J. Simpson trial demonstrated, once they add the bronze to the statue and spit-polish the bust, it's difficult indeed to get booted out of the Hall of Fame. Lucky thing for Joe Gibbs. While a jury acquitted Simpson, there's no way Gibbs isn't guilty of at least dubious judgment, and he'd do well to plead nolo cotendere to charges he has taken leave of his senses. Makes you wonder if Gibbs, 11 seasons removed from the NFL sideline, has inhaled too many fumes while standing behind his fleet of NASCAR entries. The first reaction upon hearing that Gibbs has accepted the proposal of Redskins owner Dan Snyder was to wonder if the coach had suffered what heretofore will be known as a Britney Spears Moment. The second was to consider that, if he really wanted to coach again so badly, Gibbs could have inherited the Atlanta Falcons, a team in which he was a minority shareholder. The third was, well, to wish Gibbs good luck. Because he is going to need it in industrial barrel-sized measures. Make no mistake, just because Gibbs knows more about restrictor plates than he does running backs right now, his pride and work ethic will allow him to play catch up. Still, there will be days when Gibbs might confuse Patrick Ramsey, his quarterback, with a quarter-turn on some wing-nut that controls downforce. Closing the knowledge void won't be as easy as Tony Stewart trying to make up a lap after having a flawed right front tire blister up on him. The learning curve gap that Gibbs faces could be every bit as treacherous as the third turn at Talladaga. Clearly, the great coach has been able, however, to mentally rationalize away all the negatives. Then again, once you've been engaged in an undertaking where you huckster off every inch of the product for more sponsor's decals, it's apparently not quite as hard to auction your soul to the devil, as Gibbs has done. Gibbs retired after the 1992 season, a three-time Super Bowl champion, a man at the top of his profession. That 1992 date is significant because it means that Gibbs never worked under the restraints of a salary cap and never had to deal with free agency as we know it now. It is meaningful, too, because 11 seasons is a lifetime in the NFL, as Gibbs will soon find out, and the players have changed. Notice, we didn't say the game has changed that much because, as Dick Vermeil demonstrated after returning from a 15-season hiatus and Bill Parcells keeps proving in his various reincarnations, the same principles that he taught in his first coaching life still apply. His game-planning and preparation brilliance aside, though, Gibbs will discover that, if he tells LaVar Arrington to not free-lance so much, the results won't be the same as they were with, say, Monte Coleman. The Redskins are a team who, scouts will tell you, has enough quality personnel. But just because there's a guy named Champ on the roster doesn't mean Washington is going to a Super Bowl anytime soon. And bringing back venerable assistant coach Joe Bugel won't guarantee that the guy who tutored The Hogs can make a silk purse from an offensive line unit that in 2003 had all the movement skills of bumps on logs. Led the past two years by a man who loved to refer to himself as The Ol' Ball Coach, the Redskins are now shepherded by a man who is old, hasn't been a coach in over a decade, and may not fully understand how ball is played in millennium. And then, of course, there is the matter of ownership. Some credit to Snyder, who began the courtship of Gibbs on New Year's Eve at a tiny airfield in Concord, N.C. When we got an anonymous tip that Redskins One was parked there -- sorry, Dan, it's a private yet and not a Stealth bomber -- team officials responded to the query by insisting the imperial owner was "on business." Yep, monkey business, with one of The Daniel's minority partners, a buddy of Gibbs for many years, brokering the deal. All the posturing afterwards -- the trip to the West Coast, the interviews with three other candidates, questioning media acquaintances about what the best age is for a head coach -- was little more than diversion. Long before Tuesday, when word began to leak that the Redskins little man was up to something big, we all should have seen the light. The Daniel, after all, is a product of the Beltway Mentality. He frets far too much about buying success than developing it, obsesses about how he is perceived, covets the lineage of his franchise instead of figuring out a new world way for inventing his own heritage. He surrounds himself with links to the Redskins past, counseling with old school types, instead of trying to uplink to the future. Build through the draft? Why bother when you can open the coffers and buy a bunch of veterans? Actually hire a coach who can grow with your franchise? C'mon, this is all about a big name guy coaching bigger-name players. Marty Schottenheimer. Steve Spurrier. And now Joe Gibbs. For years, Gibbs worked under the notoriously meddlesome Jack Kent Cooke, so maybe he thinks he is prepared to have an owner peering over his shoulder. Jack Kent Cooke might soon look like an absentee owner to Gibbs, though, given what awaits him. Good thing for Gibbs he's got a history, after all these years in NASCAR, of working the pits. People in the business like to refer to Arizona as the elephant burial grounds for head coaching careers. Well, now Gibbs is headed into the Beltway Vortex, and here's hoping he has thought this thing out. Maybe we'll be wrong about this but, for the heck of it, here's a bet: Three years from now, the guy who accepted the Redskins job as a Hall of Fame member will be viewed as just another ordinary Joe. Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com ___________________________ Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I saw a Falcon fan leave the Ralph on a stretcher from knife wounds just two section over. 580050[/snapback] Now I know you're absolutely full of sh--. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 Now I know you're absolutely full of sh--. 580128[/snapback] yea, scroll down to mouldsrock - supermoderator 10/11/2005, 2:35:28 PM #1 portisizzle Ticket Taker Stats: Join Date: Oct 11, 2005 Posts: 17 Shouts: 0 Ranking/Awards: Add to portisizzle's Reputation:portisizzle = Average Poster Rep Power: 0 Buffalo Chips: 0.30 Contact Info: Send a pager message to portisizzle Buffalo fans are RAW.. Let me just say that as a diehard Redskins fan I know what being a fan is all about. Being loud and being proud. However me and my Buffalo fan brother made a 10 hour trek to the Ralph to see the Atlanta game. My brother purchased seats in a section of the stadium called the "Rock Pile". I though it was an amusing nickname for a section of the stadium. That was until the game began....... There were dead up drunk fans with their heads in their hands. Cussing, complaining, moaning, and verbal abuse handed out like I have never seen in a professional football setting. I had my "R" hat on and the few fans in that section that cared and knew what team that represented were looking for a fight. As for fights, I have never seen a fan removed from the stands via stretcher. We I did THAT day. And at least four other fights within two sections where i was sitting. You guys are effing raw to the bone. It is almost weird in a way. I remember walking into the stadium and seeing this surreal picture of your mascot. It was this kinda glowing blue buffalo. Later in pregame, he is dragging a mock Atlanta player around the field and doing somersaults on him. Jesus Christ Superstar!!! I saw a father hurling unshelled peanuts at his daughter because she would not sit down in her seat. I am pretty sure you get what I am saying. But I did represent you guys well during the game. Some Dallas fan showed up with a jersey on and was running his mouth about two superbowls, yada yada. I jumped up with my Redskin hat and yelled at his "Who is my B word now?? Who is my B word??" Anyhow, kudo's to your fans. We need that kind of intimidation factor working at Fed Ex. If you know what I mean. portisizzle is online now Add to portisizzle's Reputation Warn: (0%) Reply With Quote Old 10/11/2005, 4:59:36 PM #7 MOULDSROCKS MOULDSROCKS's Avatar Rescue this man! Stats: Join Date: Mar 8, 2002 Location: Buffalo Posts: 27,420 Shouts: 469 Ranking/Awards: Add to MOULDSROCKS's Reputation:MOULDSROCKS = Best EverMOULDSROCKS = Best Ever Rep Power: 44 Buffalo Chips: 7,109.72 Contact Info: Send a message via AIM to MOULDSROCKS Send a pager message to MOULDSROCKS "Rock-pile! Rock-pile! Rock-pile!" We're a rowdy bunch.... I think I saw that Dallas fan too one section over. Did you see the stabbing? The Rockpile loves fights. <------Draft this man!!! My Adopted Bill: Eric Moulds My Adopted Sabre: Maxim Afinogenov | Pet Prospect: Dan Paille My Alumni Bill: Robert James My Alumni Sabre: Tim Horton TOS ¦ Latest Bills News! "The man who thinks he can and the man who thinks he can't are both right. Which one are you?" GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Rob Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I seriously doubt your fellow Skins fans would call Joe Gibbs a clip board holder. I'm starting to think you're just a troll out for a good time. Danny and Vinney are just fantasy football guys, and if Gibbs didn't come back on the scene, the Skins wouldn't have a whiff of the success they've had over the past two years. I respect ML a lot. But he's never put a team together, his first hire is a career loser (even during his playing career) and all the Ivy League brainpower in the world isn't going to help him now. I'll take the guy from San Diego State any day. 580030[/snapback] Lurker that is my brother you are talking about and I can assure you he is no troll.A bigger skins fan you would be hard pressed to find.And you are just an idiot.So if someone comes into this board and tries to lay down a good argument he is just dispached as a troll.Whatever Lurker he makes more sense than half of you hacks on this board AND HE IS A REDSKINS FAN. For once in youre life try and thimk this through logically.Marv has just as good a chance of turning this franchise around with Juron as anybody does.It is about players and player development plain and simple.But I guess you are smarter than someone with decades in the football ranks.Get over yourselves some of you you aren't that smart enough to know what it takes to run a team.And for some of you I truley wonder how you make it through the day without doing serious bodily harm to your self.Maybe we need to fit some of you guys with those cone shaped dog collars so you aren't a danger to yourself. Keep beating it in Portisizzle eventually they have to understand reason.Do you see what I mean now about these guys. Go Bills in 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Lurker that is my brother you are talking about580638[/snapback] Yawn....give it up kid. The fish aren't biting anymore. [iGNORE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 This completely undercuts your point. The Redskins hired a guy with a great defensive track record, built off a great system. He comes in and transforms an average defense into world beaters, not by buying talent, but by getting the players to play his "system." Five year ago, the Redskins tried to build a defense based on talent, specifically Champ Baily and Lavar Arrington. This past year the Skins finally got that great defense, but Baily was gone and Lavar on the bench. The only great talent is Taylor, but if you know anything about a Gregg Williams defense, you would know that a head-hunting strong safety is the cornerstone. So, its all about the system. 579673[/snapback] when williams came here, he imposed a system and it failed. the defense became much better when they obtained the right players. as for the skins, what's this about them not having talent? shawn springs has been of the best cornerbacks in the league the last 2 seasons, and is playing like he did before the hamstring problems in seattle. he's a surefire elite player. there are a lot of other very good players on that defense as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 when williams came here, he imposed a system and it failed. the defense became much better when they obtained the right players. as for the skins, what's this about them not having talent? shawn springs has been of the best cornerbacks in the league the last 2 seasons, and is playing like he did before the hamstring problems in seattle. he's a surefire elite player. there are a lot of other very good players on that defense as well. 580732[/snapback] Who said the Redskins do not have any talent on Defense? Springs Rodgers Taylor Washington Sal'eveia Griffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Rob Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Yawn....give it up kid. The fish aren't biting anymore. [iGNORE] 580664[/snapback] For what it's worth a$$ that really is my brother.And this kid is 32 kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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