BuffaloBob Posted September 24, 2004 Posted September 24, 2004 geesus Bob, the guy is like one of the greatest posters this board has ever seen, 44239[/snapback] After reading this post, I am not sure you were following along closely enough. If you are referring to Mr. Opie-Wan, who at least since I can remember has posted virtually no thoughts other than "Drew sucks and is solely responsible for the demise of the play of our beloved Buffalo Bills," then at least you are correct with respect to whom that comment was directed. And then to that I have to say HUH?! If being the greatest poster this board has ever seen only entails posting Drew sucks posts, then we ought to bring Spiked Lemonade back and worship him like a god! If by some chance you are referring to McBride, than clearly you must follow along more closely. And although I appreciate McBride's hard work in putting those stats together, he does fail to take the additional step of analyzing this season's two games in view of his all-important stat with which he is clearly trying to demonstrate Drew's shortcommings. Had he done so, it actually reveals a postive trend for Drew. But that of course is not consistent with the agenda of so many on this board who are desperate to support their negative opinions of Drew. And of course, Obie-Wan did attempt to extend McBride's stats to this year, except he cited stats that were oranges to McBride's apples and led to conclusions that Drew sucks even worse this year, a point that OW was, as always, trying to make. takes a ton of time to research and present us with some interesting and viable stats and the first thing you feel the need to do is take a shot at his intelligence?WTF is that? 44239[/snapback] My comment was NOT an attack on his intelligence, but rather an attack on his so-called viable statistics and his use thereof. It was clear to me and I think it should have been to him that the stats he cited were not consistent with those cited by McBride. And without the explanation that came later they are wierd because they were so clearly inconsistent and should not have been used in the comparative manner in which they were. Once again, they were cited to further demonstrate Drew's failure as a player so far this year in comparison to his career numbers, which was not in reality true because it was an apples to oranges comparison. Disagree with his conclusions all you want but at least try and garner some respect for a good person.44239[/snapback] He might be a good person, but I am sick to death of the "Drew sucks, blame him for everything, run him out of town" agenda that permeates this board with the support of Patsy trolls who are as obsessed with it as these members of our board. When stats are cited to support this agenda, I expect them to at least be a fair comparison of those stats. This was not the case and I do not respect that. It is not a disagreement over conclusions, but the use of inconsistent stats to reach those conclusions that I condemn here. Mean people suck 44239[/snapback] Well if being fed up with attacks on our starting QB, particularly when they involve at the very least a misrepresentative and at the worst a disinegenuous use of stats to give their conclusions an aire of legitimacy is being mean, then I guess not only am I an apologist but a mean person to boot!
Simon Posted September 24, 2004 Posted September 24, 2004 After reading this post, I am not sure you were following along closely enough.....If by some chance you are referring to McBride, than clearly you must follow along more closely. Doh!!! You are absolutely correct and I apologize. I was referring to McBride and was not following along closely enough, mistakenly beleiveing you were responding to davem as opposed to the world's least insightful Jedi. I shall endeavour to be more careful in the future. Please feel free to continue with your troll-bashing;-) Cya
BuffaloBob Posted September 24, 2004 Posted September 24, 2004 Doh!!!You are absolutely correct and I apologize. I was referring to McBride and was not following along closely enough, mistakenly beleiveing you were responding to davem as opposed to the world's least insightful Jedi. I shall endeavour to be more careful in the future. Please feel free to continue with your troll-bashing;-) Cya 44495[/snapback] No probs. I've been guilty of losing myself in the middle of a thread on occasion! That's why I made sure not to attack YOUR intelligence! LOL! I guess I am just so fed up with the blame-game that goes on after every game on this board. There is no patience, everything is knee-jerk. And I think Drew has taken way too much abuse from this board, fans in general and especially the media. The reality is, the guy has actually improved his play in many repsects so far, but the offense generally still has not gotten enough traction. He has contributed to some of that, but he is also constrained by the performances of his coaches and teammates as well. I just wish there was a little more insight and objectivity around here sometimes.
Simon Posted September 24, 2004 Posted September 24, 2004 The reality is, the guy has actually improved his play in many repsects so far, but the offense generally still has not gotten enough traction. He has contributed to some of that, but he is also constrained by the performances of his coaches and teammates as well. Agreed that he was much improved in the opener, playing the smartest football I've seen from him in a long while. But then I thought he really regressed in the Raider game which made it all that more disappointing after seeing him show good control of the offense vs Jaxonville by making good decisions with the ball, spreading it around, smartly checking down, etc. I have/had high hopes that Wyche/Clements/Mularkey could have a really positive influence on his game but after two weeks I'm now just not sure which of those performances is going to turn out to be an aberration for the season. I guess I am just so fed up with the blame-game that goes on after every game on this board. There is no patience, everything is knee-jerk. I guess even our little paradise here can't escape the general degradation of our society. We live in a culture of blame where there always has to be somebody at fault for everything that happens. If I could use the ignore feature, I'd have a list about 50 people long. And no you wouldn't be on it even though you are a mean bastard ;-) Cya
/dev/null Posted September 24, 2004 Posted September 24, 2004 i feel the spirit of john mclaughlin being channeled... WRONG!!! the single most important statistic in football, or any other sport for that matter, is wins: drew bledsoe: 14-20 tom donahoe: 17-33
BuffaloBob Posted September 24, 2004 Posted September 24, 2004 Agreed that he was much improved in the opener, playing the smartest football I've seen from him in a long while. But then I thought he really regressed in the Raider game which made it all that more disappointing after seeing him show good control of the offense vs Jaxonville by making good decisions with the ball, spreading it around, smartly checking down, etc.I have/had high hopes that Wyche/Clements/Mularkey could have a really positive influence on his game but after two weeks I'm now just not sure which of those performances is going to turn out to be an aberration for the season. 44578[/snapback] I agree, Oakland was not as good, but in fairness I still think his teammates had much to do with that. He really took a shot with that one that made him see yellow. And he even admitted after that that he was not setting his feet and missed some passes until he could regain his composure. I can't really blame him for that. Most of us would would be lucky to get up from a shot like that let alone go back into the game. I think that shot he took had a lot to do with any indecisiveness as well. It's awfuly tough to make determinations one way or the other after just two games. The shame is that we could have just as easily won these two games and been 2-0 as we figured things out, as opposed to 0-2. But I still believe Drew can be a very successful QB in the right situation. The key is for the entire offense to improve and to stop the dumb mistakes. I guess even our little paradise here can't escape the general degradation of our society. We live in a culture of blame where there always has to be somebody at fault for everything that happens.If I could use the ignore feature, I'd have a list about 50 people long. And no you wouldn't be on it even though you are a mean bastard ;-) Cya 44578[/snapback] Yes, and impatience as well. This offense needs a little time. Unfortunately, time is of the essence in a 16 game season, so a little time is all you ever get. I believe that if Mularkey and staff can keep these guys working hard and holding together through this fan/media sh itstorm, they will put a very good run together. If I could use the ignore feature, I'd have a list about 50 people long.And no you wouldn't be on it even though you are a mean bastard ;-) Cya 44578[/snapback] Actually, I'd like to think of myself as dogged or determined, but OK, I'll try not to be a meany!
/dev/null Posted September 24, 2004 Posted September 24, 2004 tom donahoe: 38-12 44618[/snapback] lay off the pennsyltucky moonshine
Lori Posted September 26, 2004 Posted September 26, 2004 Oooh goody, more fun with numbers! Seriously, thanks for the topic, Dave. You put some thought into this; I'll try to do likewise. Many feel that the most important stat to measure a qb's performance is yards per pass attempt. I've cobbled together a bunch of stats for a lot of qbs, starting with a comparison of Kelly’s 11-year nfl career and Bledsoe’s 11 years so far in the league. Following this is a list of the ypa stats for qb luminaries of the past 15 years or so. I’m now concluding that Bledsoe may well be the most overrated qb of all time (especially considering the plethora of good receivers he’s played with - Glenn, Coates, Moulds, Price). Interestingly, neither Coates nor Glenn has ever made a Pro Bowl in a season where DB wasn't the Pats' QB. Coates was a non-entity in 1991 and 1992, before Bledsoe was drafted; he never averaged under 10.0 yards/catch through a season with Drew, or over 10.0 yards/catch for a season with any other Pats QB. Glenn had two seasons averaging over 16.0 yds/catch with Drew; 2004 is the first time he's gotten back up to a 15.0 average since he left New England. Moulds has caught passes from every Bills QB since Kelly, but had his season-highs in receptions and TD catches after Drew got here. Kelly – yards per pass attempt - career 1986 7.5 (top BUF WRs: Andre Reed, Chris Burkett) 1987 6.7 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Burkett) 1988 7.5 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Trumaine Johnson) 1989 8.0 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Flip Johnson) 1990 8.2 (top BUF WRs: Reed, James Lofton) 1991 8.1 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Lofton) 1992 7.5 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Lofton) 1993 7.2 (top BUF WRs: Billy Brooks, Reed) 1994 7.0 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Brooks) 1995 6.8 (top BUF WRs: Brooks, Russell Copeland) 1996 7.4 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Quinn Early) lifetime – 7.4 Factoid: in 10 of those 11 years, the team leader in receptions was a WR. 1993 (Metzelaars) was the only exception. Bledsoe – yards per pass attempt - career 1993 5.8 (top NE WRs: Vincent Brisby, Michael Timpson) 1994 6.6 (top NE WRs: Timpson, Brisby) 1995 5.5 (top NE WRs: Brisby, Will Moore) 1996 6.6 (top NE WRs: Terry Glenn, Shawn Jefferson) 1997 7.1 (top NE WRs: Jefferson, Troy Brown) 1998 7.6 (top NE WRs: Glenn, Jefferson) 1999 6.6 (top NE WRs: Glenn, Jefferson) 2000 6.2 (top NE WRs: Brown, Glenn) 2001 6.1 (top NE WRs: Brown, David Patten) 2002 7.1 (top BUF WRs: Moulds, Price) 2003 6.1 (top BUF WRs: Moulds, Josh Reed) lifetime – 6.6 Factoid: in 1993-94-95-97-98, New England's reception leader was Ben Coates. Indeed, Patriot WRs never averaged over 46% of the team's receptions until Coates' second-to-last season there, 1998. In comparison, Bills WRs averaged over 50% of total receptions in all but two of Kelly's seasons. Just a thought here: if you're a QB whose main weapon is a TE with a lifetime average of 11.1 yards/catch, then your yards/attempt will most likely be lower than someone who has Jerry Rice/John Taylor, or Reed/Lofton, or Bruce/Holt, or Randy Moss to throw to. Vincent Brisby? Michael Timpson? Will Moore? C'mon. Don't think they qualify for the "plethora" mentioned above. (And realistically, 11.1 isn't bad for Coates - even most Hall of Fame-quality TEs have lower ypc averages than quite a few middle-of-the-road WRs. Kellen Winslow averaged 12.4 ypc for his career, Ozzie 12.1, Shannon Sharpe 12.3, Dave Casper 13.8, Todd Christensen 12.7, Tony Gonzalez 12.1. John Mackey, of course, would be the exception - at 15.8 ypc, he's the only big-name TE I could find over 14.0. To compare, 30 NFL WRs averaged at least 14.0 ypc last season, and guys like Amani Toomer and Chris Chambers have career averages over 15.0.) Soooo..... just how significant is a QB's yds/attempt? Perhaps we need a better understanding of the numbers behind those numbers to be able to tell that. Was Coates getting all those catches because Brisby and Timpson probably couldn't have made any of the Bills Super Bowl-era rosters even as backups, or because Parcells had his own version of an "alarm clock" for DB, or because Drew would decide to dump it off to him instead of waiting for his WRs to get open? (And how different is the formula now, when IMHO Bledsoe doesn't have a TE or RB he really trusts to be a consistent safety valve?) And how do Bledsoe's stats compare with other QBs who had a great TE or passcatching RB to throw to? You mentioned Randall Cunningham as someone else under 7.0; how much do you think playing with Keith Jackson and Keith Byars (and a few really, really mediocre WRs, once Buddy Ryan ran Cris Carter out of town) affected his stats? Even guys like Steve Beuerlein (1994), Dave Krieg (1995), and Boomer Esiason (1996) didn't hit 7.0 yds/attempt back when Larry Centers was leading the Cardinals in catches. Ditto for Boomer with the Jets in '95 (a dreadful 5.8 ypc), when his three top receivers were Adrian Murrell, Wayne Chrebet, and Johnny Mitchell. One more sidenote, regarding the current Pats and Tom Brady: Don't be taken in by one or two weeks' worth of stats; neither David Givens (career ypc 14.0) nor David Patten (career 14.2) are likely to keep up their gaudy 2004 averages (19.8 and 20.8, respectively), especially now that Kevin Faulk (and his average of over 40 catches/season, 8.87 yds/catch the last four years) is back. Something tells me that won't bother them too much, though, as long as they keep winning games. Sooo.... is Bledsoe overrated? Very possibly, but I can't make that determination from looking at yds/attempt stats.
Mile High Posted September 26, 2004 Posted September 26, 2004 Oooh goody, more fun with numbers! Seriously, thanks for the topic, Dave. You put some thought into this; I'll try to do likewise. Many feel that the most important stat to measure a qb's performance is yards per pass attempt. I've cobbled together a bunch of stats for a lot of qbs, starting with a comparison of Kelly’s 11-year nfl career and Bledsoe’s 11 years so far in the league. Following this is a list of the ypa stats for qb luminaries of the past 15 years or so. I’m now concluding that Bledsoe may well be the most overrated qb of all time (especially considering the plethora of good receivers he’s played with - Glenn, Coates, Moulds, Price). Interestingly, neither Coates nor Glenn has ever made a Pro Bowl in a season where DB wasn't the Pats' QB. Coates was a non-entity in 1991 and 1992, before Bledsoe was drafted; he never averaged under 10.0 yards/catch through a season with Drew, or over 10.0 yards/catch for a season with any other Pats QB. Glenn had two seasons averaging over 16.0 yds/catch with Drew; 2004 is the first time he's gotten back up to a 15.0 average since he left New England. Moulds has caught passes from every Bills QB since Kelly, but had his season-highs in receptions and TD catches after Drew got here. Kelly – yards per pass attempt - career 1986 7.5 (top BUF WRs: Andre Reed, Chris Burkett) 1987 6.7 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Burkett) 1988 7.5 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Trumaine Johnson) 1989 8.0 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Flip Johnson) 1990 8.2 (top BUF WRs: Reed, James Lofton) 1991 8.1 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Lofton) 1992 7.5 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Lofton) 1993 7.2 (top BUF WRs: Billy Brooks, Reed) 1994 7.0 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Brooks) 1995 6.8 (top BUF WRs: Brooks, Russell Copeland) 1996 7.4 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Quinn Early) lifetime – 7.4 Factoid: in 10 of those 11 years, the team leader in receptions was a WR. 1993 (Metzelaars) was the only exception. Bledsoe – yards per pass attempt - career 1993 5.8 (top NE WRs: Vincent Brisby, Michael Timpson) 1994 6.6 (top NE WRs: Timpson, Brisby) 1995 5.5 (top NE WRs: Brisby, Will Moore) 1996 6.6 (top NE WRs: Terry Glenn, Shawn Jefferson) 1997 7.1 (top NE WRs: Jefferson, Troy Brown) 1998 7.6 (top NE WRs: Glenn, Jefferson) 1999 6.6 (top NE WRs: Glenn, Jefferson) 2000 6.2 (top NE WRs: Brown, Glenn) 2001 6.1 (top NE WRs: Brown, David Patten) 2002 7.1 (top BUF WRs: Moulds, Price) 2003 6.1 (top BUF WRs: Moulds, Josh Reed) lifetime – 6.6 Factoid: in 1993-94-95-97-98, New England's reception leader was Ben Coates. Indeed, Patriot WRs never averaged over 46% of the team's receptions until Coates' second-to-last season there, 1998. In comparison, Bills WRs averaged over 50% of total receptions in all but two of Kelly's seasons. Just a thought here: if you're a QB whose main weapon is a TE with a lifetime average of 11.1 yards/catch, then your yards/attempt will most likely be lower than someone who has Jerry Rice/John Taylor, or Reed/Lofton, or Bruce/Holt, or Randy Moss to throw to. Vincent Brisby? Michael Timpson? Will Moore? C'mon. Don't think they qualify for the "plethora" mentioned above. (And realistically, 11.1 isn't bad for Coates - even most Hall of Fame-quality TEs have lower ypc averages than quite a few middle-of-the-road WRs. Kellen Winslow averaged 12.4 ypc for his career, Ozzie 12.1, Shannon Sharpe 12.3, Dave Casper 13.8, Todd Christensen 12.7, Tony Gonzalez 12.1. John Mackey, of course, would be the exception - at 15.8 ypc, he's the only big-name TE I could find over 14.0. To compare, 30 NFL WRs averaged at least 14.0 ypc last season, and guys like Amani Toomer and Chris Chambers have career averages over 15.0.) Soooo..... just how significant is a QB's yds/attempt? Perhaps we need a better understanding of the numbers behind those numbers to be able to tell that. Was Coates getting all those catches because Brisby and Timpson probably couldn't have made any of the Bills Super Bowl-era rosters even as backups, or because Parcells had his own version of an "alarm clock" for DB, or because Drew would decide to dump it off to him instead of waiting for his WRs to get open? (And how different is the formula now, when IMHO Bledsoe doesn't have a TE or RB he really trusts to be a consistent safety valve?) And how do Bledsoe's stats compare with other QBs who had a great TE or passcatching RB to throw to? You mentioned Randall Cunningham as someone else under 7.0; how much do you think playing with Keith Jackson and Keith Byars (and a few really, really mediocre WRs, once Buddy Ryan ran Cris Carter out of town) affected his stats? Even guys like Steve Beuerlein (1994), Dave Krieg (1995), and Boomer Esiason (1996) didn't hit 7.0 yds/attempt back when Larry Centers was leading the Cardinals in catches. Ditto for Boomer with the Jets in '95 (a dreadful 5.8 ypc), when his three top receivers were Adrian Murrell, Wayne Chrebet, and Johnny Mitchell. One more sidenote, regarding the current Pats and Tom Brady: Don't be taken in by one or two weeks' worth of stats; neither David Givens (career ypc 14.0) nor David Patten (career 14.2) are likely to keep up their gaudy 2004 averages (19.8 and 20.8, respectively), especially now that Kevin Faulk (and his average of over 40 catches/season, 8.87 yds/catch the last four years) is back. Something tells me that won't bother them too much, though, as long as they keep winning games. Sooo.... is Bledsoe overrated? Very possibly, but I can't make that determination from looking at yds/attempt stats. 45621[/snapback] Holy stevestojan I'm impressed!
Nanker Posted September 26, 2004 Posted September 26, 2004 Lori's simply the best at stats and info. It gives her an advantage in crafting intelligent posts such as these.
dave mcbride Posted September 29, 2004 Author Posted September 29, 2004 Oooh goody, more fun with numbers! Seriously, thanks for the topic, Dave. You put some thought into this; I'll try to do likewise. Many feel that the most important stat to measure a qb's performance is yards per pass attempt. I've cobbled together a bunch of stats for a lot of qbs, starting with a comparison of Kelly’s 11-year nfl career and Bledsoe’s 11 years so far in the league. Following this is a list of the ypa stats for qb luminaries of the past 15 years or so. I’m now concluding that Bledsoe may well be the most overrated qb of all time (especially considering the plethora of good receivers he’s played with - Glenn, Coates, Moulds, Price). Interestingly, neither Coates nor Glenn has ever made a Pro Bowl in a season where DB wasn't the Pats' QB. Coates was a non-entity in 1991 and 1992, before Bledsoe was drafted; he never averaged under 10.0 yards/catch through a season with Drew, or over 10.0 yards/catch for a season with any other Pats QB. Glenn had two seasons averaging over 16.0 yds/catch with Drew; 2004 is the first time he's gotten back up to a 15.0 average since he left New England. Moulds has caught passes from every Bills QB since Kelly, but had his season-highs in receptions and TD catches after Drew got here. Kelly – yards per pass attempt - career 1986 7.5 (top BUF WRs: Andre Reed, Chris Burkett) 1987 6.7 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Burkett) 1988 7.5 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Trumaine Johnson) 1989 8.0 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Flip Johnson) 1990 8.2 (top BUF WRs: Reed, James Lofton) 1991 8.1 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Lofton) 1992 7.5 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Lofton) 1993 7.2 (top BUF WRs: Billy Brooks, Reed) 1994 7.0 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Brooks) 1995 6.8 (top BUF WRs: Brooks, Russell Copeland) 1996 7.4 (top BUF WRs: Reed, Quinn Early) lifetime – 7.4 Factoid: in 10 of those 11 years, the team leader in receptions was a WR. 1993 (Metzelaars) was the only exception. Bledsoe – yards per pass attempt - career 1993 5.8 (top NE WRs: Vincent Brisby, Michael Timpson) 1994 6.6 (top NE WRs: Timpson, Brisby) 1995 5.5 (top NE WRs: Brisby, Will Moore) 1996 6.6 (top NE WRs: Terry Glenn, Shawn Jefferson) 1997 7.1 (top NE WRs: Jefferson, Troy Brown) 1998 7.6 (top NE WRs: Glenn, Jefferson) 1999 6.6 (top NE WRs: Glenn, Jefferson) 2000 6.2 (top NE WRs: Brown, Glenn) 2001 6.1 (top NE WRs: Brown, David Patten) 2002 7.1 (top BUF WRs: Moulds, Price) 2003 6.1 (top BUF WRs: Moulds, Josh Reed) lifetime – 6.6 Factoid: in 1993-94-95-97-98, New England's reception leader was Ben Coates. Indeed, Patriot WRs never averaged over 46% of the team's receptions until Coates' second-to-last season there, 1998. In comparison, Bills WRs averaged over 50% of total receptions in all but two of Kelly's seasons. Just a thought here: if you're a QB whose main weapon is a TE with a lifetime average of 11.1 yards/catch, then your yards/attempt will most likely be lower than someone who has Jerry Rice/John Taylor, or Reed/Lofton, or Bruce/Holt, or Randy Moss to throw to. Vincent Brisby? Michael Timpson? Will Moore? C'mon. Don't think they qualify for the "plethora" mentioned above. (And realistically, 11.1 isn't bad for Coates - even most Hall of Fame-quality TEs have lower ypc averages than quite a few middle-of-the-road WRs. Kellen Winslow averaged 12.4 ypc for his career, Ozzie 12.1, Shannon Sharpe 12.3, Dave Casper 13.8, Todd Christensen 12.7, Tony Gonzalez 12.1. John Mackey, of course, would be the exception - at 15.8 ypc, he's the only big-name TE I could find over 14.0. To compare, 30 NFL WRs averaged at least 14.0 ypc last season, and guys like Amani Toomer and Chris Chambers have career averages over 15.0.) Soooo..... just how significant is a QB's yds/attempt? Perhaps we need a better understanding of the numbers behind those numbers to be able to tell that. Was Coates getting all those catches because Brisby and Timpson probably couldn't have made any of the Bills Super Bowl-era rosters even as backups, or because Parcells had his own version of an "alarm clock" for DB, or because Drew would decide to dump it off to him instead of waiting for his WRs to get open? (And how different is the formula now, when IMHO Bledsoe doesn't have a TE or RB he really trusts to be a consistent safety valve?) And how do Bledsoe's stats compare with other QBs who had a great TE or passcatching RB to throw to? You mentioned Randall Cunningham as someone else under 7.0; how much do you think playing with Keith Jackson and Keith Byars (and a few really, really mediocre WRs, once Buddy Ryan ran Cris Carter out of town) affected his stats? Even guys like Steve Beuerlein (1994), Dave Krieg (1995), and Boomer Esiason (1996) didn't hit 7.0 yds/attempt back when Larry Centers was leading the Cardinals in catches. Ditto for Boomer with the Jets in '95 (a dreadful 5.8 ypc), when his three top receivers were Adrian Murrell, Wayne Chrebet, and Johnny Mitchell. One more sidenote, regarding the current Pats and Tom Brady: Don't be taken in by one or two weeks' worth of stats; neither David Givens (career ypc 14.0) nor David Patten (career 14.2) are likely to keep up their gaudy 2004 averages (19.8 and 20.8, respectively), especially now that Kevin Faulk (and his average of over 40 catches/season, 8.87 yds/catch the last four years) is back. Something tells me that won't bother them too much, though, as long as they keep winning games. Sooo.... is Bledsoe overrated? Very possibly, but I can't make that determination from looking at yds/attempt stats. 45621[/snapback] wow, lori, great post!! i'm sorry i read it so long after it was posted. i can't cover everything, but i will quickly say that bledsoe has played with a lot of WRs over the years with a proven ability to make big plays deep - glenn, who is incredibly quick, shawn jefferson, moulds, and price. plus, vincent brisby was an ok player too. as for TEs/RBs, well, the niners passed a lot to TEs and RBs too (roger craig had over 100 catches 1 year). also, another thing that gets factored in his accuracy, and in today's nfl, bledsoe's stats show that he's not particularly accurate using completion percentage (of course, he's much better than qbs in the 60s and 70s). and anecdotally, i've watched bledsoe his entire career and always felt that he was really inaccurate on the the deep throws. strangely enough, the year that he seemed to overcome this shortcoming was his first year with the bills (02), where he looked terrific on the deep throws. anyway, a lot of things factor into the equation, but it is still the case that bledsoe is at the bottom of the heap, so to speak, and it's not like he's played on teams with poor receiving talent. it's precisely the opposite, actually.
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