colin Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 turned out to be a solid NFL starting end, did well in STL and is doing well in seattle. 7th round pick. why did we let him go? oh, that's right. TD. we have let too much talent go in the past 5 years, we are like the raptors
Rubes Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 I thought you were going to say we were bringing him in for an interview next week.
colin Posted January 20, 2006 Author Posted January 20, 2006 I thought you were going to say we were bringing him in for an interview next week. 574818[/snapback] zoing!
John from Riverside Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 Do to Lt Fisher and my Air Force ties we use to converse quite a bit.....I was really sad to see him go. And yes....he used to read this site like Wildstyle Wiley.
Typical TBD Guy Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 we have let too much talent go in the past 5 years, we are like the raptors 574812[/snapback] Bryce Fisher, Ted Washington, and Pat Williams are the only guys I can think of that we've let go in the past 5 years but truly shouldn't have...the rest never amounted to much after leaving Buffalo. Interestingly enough, all 3 of the guys I named play on the DL... As bad a GM as TD has been in the past 5 years, this wasn't one of his weaknesses IMO.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 turned out to be a solid NFL starting end, did well in STL and is doing well in seattle. 7th round pick. why did we let him go? oh, that's right. TD. we have let too much talent go in the past 5 years, we are like the raptors 574812[/snapback] I'm sure you would have been completely happy waiting the two and a half years from the time he left the Bills until Bryce started playing pretty decent, which would have been 5 and a half years after we had drafted him.
Quester74 Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 Bryce Fisher, Ted Washington, and Pat Williams are the only guys I can think of that we've let go in the past 5 years but truly shouldn't have...the rest never amounted to much after leaving Buffalo. Interestingly enough, all 3 of the guys I named play on the DL... As bad a GM as TD has been in the past 5 years, this wasn't one of his weaknesses IMO. 574827[/snapback] Kelso wins points in my book for not mentioning Floug Dutie as "escaped talent".. By the way, I'd add Keion Carpenter to that list. He's played very well for Atlanta. Quester74
JDG Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 I'm sure you would have been completely happy waiting the two and a half years from the time he left the Bills until Bryce started playing pretty decent, which would have been 5 and a half years after we had drafted him. 574855[/snapback] Indeed, Bryce left the Bills for the Rams for a couple years - who also let him go. JDG
Typical TBD Guy Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 Kelso wins points in my book for not mentioning Floug Dutie as "escaped talent".. By the way, I'd add Keion Carpenter to that list. He's played very well for Atlanta. Quester74 574856[/snapback] Good one. I'd rather have Carpenter over Vincent right now, especially when you factor in the price tag each comes with... Believe it or not, I was a mild Flutie fan back in the day (NOT one of "those" Flutie fans), but the fact remains that he did nothing in the league after we dumped him. There were a lot of guys like Frutie who did nothing after we cut them (Cowart, Wiley, Price, Fina, Brown, Riemersma, Holecek, Jennings, Flowers, RJ, etc). There have also been a few who have had statistically productive careers upon leaving (Bledsoe, Winfield, etc), but still weren't worth the money at the time. And then there were some let go who went on to have mildly productive careers (Antowain Smith, Newman, Irvin, etc), but nobody here ever cried over losing.
BB2004 Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 Bryce Fisher, Ted Washington, and Pat Williams are the only guys I can think of that we've let go in the past 5 years but truly shouldn't have...the rest never amounted to much after leaving Buffalo. Interestingly enough, all 3 of the guys I named play on the DL... As bad a GM as TD has been in the past 5 years, this wasn't one of his weaknesses IMO. 574827[/snapback] The only one that is truly debatable is Pat Williams. He really was missed this season and we had a legitmate chance of keeping him here.
colin Posted January 20, 2006 Author Posted January 20, 2006 I'm sure you would have been completely happy waiting the two and a half years from the time he left the Bills until Bryce started playing pretty decent, which would have been 5 and a half years after we had drafted him. 574855[/snapback] i said right there in my post he did well in STL, which is where he played right after leaving us. when he came out he was projected as a possible 2nd round talent who would slip because he had a 1 year obligation, so we took him in the 7th round. he is a super good guy type too, always good to have guys like that around. anyhow, if we kept him we would have spent 1 and perhaps 2 less draft picks on DEs who can't even really play on our left side. althoug bryce himself would be a solid starter and nothing more, he would have given us 2 more shots at some quality linemen for the other side of the ball, or perhaps more DTs if we were to spend those picks on the D line. i always liked him and was just reminded of him because he was on the NFL network
krazykat Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 turned out to be a solid NFL starting end, did well in STL and is doing well in seattle. 7th round pick. why did we let him go? oh, that's right. TD. we have let too much talent go in the past 5 years, we are like the raptors 574812[/snapback] Donahoe wanted to bring in his own guys. He had a plan. Remember.
Tortured Soul Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 His last season in Buffalo he had 3.5 sacks in very limited time and looked good doing it. He should've been kept. Indeed, Bryce left the Bills for the Rams for a couple years - who also let him go. JDG 574921[/snapback] He was signed away after having seven sacks. Donahoe wanted to bring in his own guys. He had a plan. Remember. 574968[/snapback] That's the right answer.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 i said right there in my post he did well in STL, which is where he played right after leaving us. when he came out he was projected as a possible 2nd round talent who would slip because he had a 1 year obligation, so we took him in the 7th round. he is a super good guy type too, always good to have guys like that around. anyhow, if we kept him we would have spent 1 and perhaps 2 less draft picks on DEs who can't even really play on our left side. althoug bryce himself would be a solid starter and nothing more, he would have given us 2 more shots at some quality linemen for the other side of the ball, or perhaps more DTs if we were to spend those picks on the D line. i always liked him and was just reminded of him because he was on the NFL network 574963[/snapback] He was a back-up on the Rams after he left the Bills. He only played in 4 games for them his first year and had 4 tackles and no sacks. Then he played another full season with the Rams as mostly a designated pass rusher, playing in 16 games and had two sacks. Then his third season with the Rams he still didnt start the entire season and finally started playing well the second half of the season, two and a half years after leaving the Bills.
Spiderweb Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 The only one that is truly debatable is Pat Williams. He really was missed this season and we had a legitmate chance of keeping him here. 574950[/snapback] ????????????????? So I guess you don't recall our run defense of 2001? Key loss...Ted Washington. In fact, in 2001, Ted went to Chicago (after being refused by TD when he crawled back and offered to play for the 2.5 Mil approx that TD had first offered him yet TD refused) and the Bears record went from 5-11 in 2000 to 13-3 in 2001. Coincidence, maybe, but Ted was a major contributor in shoring up the Bears run defense. The fact is that we had two very good, if not great run stuffing tackles. I remember 2000 especially when on opening night, the Bills played Washington and Williams side by side and the Titans literally had zero room to run.... Washington, to this fan, was the best run stuffing nose tackle/tackle to have played this game. Unfortunately, age has caught up with Big Ted......
d_wag Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 Good one. I'd rather have Carpenter over Vincent right now, especially when you factor in the price tag each comes with... Believe it or not, I was a mild Flutie fan back in the day (NOT one of "those" Flutie fans), but the fact remains that he did nothing in the league after we dumped him. There were a lot of guys like Frutie who did nothing after we cut them (Cowart, Wiley, Price, Fina, Brown, Riemersma, Holecek, Jennings, Flowers, RJ, etc). There have also been a few who have had statistically productive careers upon leaving (Bledsoe, Winfield, etc), but still weren't worth the money at the time. And then there were some let go who went on to have mildly productive careers (Antowain Smith, Newman, Irvin, etc), but nobody here ever cried over losing. 574946[/snapback] winfield was/is worth the money.......that is the price for a GOOD cornerback in the NFL, and that is what he is........ i will also mention that brown has been very productive with the bears.......
BB2004 Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 ????????????????? So I guess you don't recall our run defense of 2001? Key loss...Ted Washington. In fact, in 2001, Ted went to Chicago (after being refused by TD when he crawled back and offered to play for the 2.5 Mil approx that TD had first offered him yet TD refused) and the Bears record went from 5-11 in 2000 to 13-3 in 2001. Coincidence, maybe, but Ted was a major contributor in shoring up the Bears run defense. The fact is that we had two very good, if not great run stuffing tackles. I remember 2000 especially when on opening night, the Bills played Washington and Williams side by side and the Titans literally had zero room to run.... Washington, to this fan, was the best run stuffing nose tackle/tackle to have played this game. Unfortunately, age has caught up with Big Ted...... 575005[/snapback] You're right about Washington. I thought he was one of the best NT ever to play against the run. The reason why I didn't put Washington in there was because at the time we were starting a brand new rebuilding process. I was upset too, but I didn't throw that in there.
HarkinBanks Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 turned out to be a solid NFL starting end, did well in STL and is doing well in seattle. 7th round pick. why did we let him go? oh, that's right. TD. we have let too much talent go in the past 5 years, we are like the raptors 574812[/snapback] I saw him get a sack (I think it was last week) and could not believe it. I completely forgot about the guy and was so pissed off that we let him go and now he is doing well. Good for him though.
GG Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 He was a back-up on the Rams after he left the Bills. He only played in 4 games for them his first year and had 4 tackles and no sacks. Then he played another full season with the Rams as mostly a designated pass rusher, playing in 16 games and had two sacks. Then his third season with the Rams he still didnt start the entire season and finally started playing well the second half of the season, two and a half years after leaving the Bills. 574982[/snapback] And this was a worse performance than Denkelsay or McJones?
Kelly the Dog Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 And this was a worse performance than Denkelsay or McJones? 575165[/snapback] Would I like to have him now, in retrospect, without having to wait for him to be good? Sure. Would I be a GM in the league if I had to wait five and a half years before a player starts realizing his potential? No. Was it a glaring mistake, or a mistake at all, to let Bryce Fisher go after he showed very little for us for three training camps and a full season here, and then see him pick up his game quick as a snail for two and a half more years later when he finally developed into a solid player? No. I like the guy. It's a great story. I wish he would have played better for us. But to blame any general manager who cuts a guy and three years later that player is good is just plain wrong. There are dozens of other things to blame TD for.
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