The Dean Posted January 18, 2006 Posted January 18, 2006 So if prunes are dried plums, where the hell do we get prune juice from?? 572749[/snapback] Dried plum juice!
2003Contenders Posted January 18, 2006 Posted January 18, 2006 Looking at guys like Parcells and Belichick, you hear about their coaching trees. You hear that so-and-so got his start under someone like that, only to become a successful head coach elsewhere in his own right. Marv was in the league for many years as a head coach. How many successful head coaches or coordinators currently in the league got their start under Marv? I don't know of any. So I'm not expecting Marv to do that great a job selecting the Bills' next head coach. 572501[/snapback] Your point is well taken. As, there are 7 current head coaches in the NFL or at a top college program that came from the Belichick tree, while Marv has none. I think some of this has to do with a variation in coaching styles -- and what the head coach himself brings to the table. Marv wasn't really a footbal guy perse. He was no great innovator or strategist. Rather, he was a master delegator -- and a guy intelligent and congenial enough to deal with a vast array of personalities. As such, Marv was always content to fill his staff with coaches who were ALREADY highly qualified -- and he placed the faith in them to do their jobs. He has/had the unique ability to talk to a room full of people -- and wind up with each person feeling that he was talking directly to them. A great communicator. Conversely, you have guys like Belichick, and Walsh that are football guys through and through. These guys have larger than life egos and surround themselves with young, bright assistants that marvel at what they can learn from the "master". These coaches also tend to be quite regimented in how they go about their business, which makes for a sound learning environment for up and comers.
krazykat Posted January 18, 2006 Posted January 18, 2006 Marv wasn't really a footbal guy perse. He was no great innovator or strategist. Rather, he was a master delegator -- and a guy intelligent and congenial enough to deal with a vast array of personalities. As such, Marv was always content to fill his staff with coaches who were ALREADY highly qualified -- and he placed the faith in them to do their jobs. He has/had the unique ability to talk to a room full of people -- and wind up with each person feeling that he was talking directly to them. A great communicator. 572776[/snapback] Which makes everyone wonder why he was in favor of keeing Mularkey around.
JDG Posted January 18, 2006 Posted January 18, 2006 It possibly resides in California, in the Petrified Forest National Park. 572595[/snapback] Its in Arizona.....
stuckincincy Posted January 18, 2006 Posted January 18, 2006 Its in Arizona..... 572926[/snapback] I have penance due...
Orton's Arm Posted January 18, 2006 Author Posted January 18, 2006 Your point is well taken. As, there are 7 current head coaches in the NFL or at a top college program that came from the Belichick tree, while Marv has none. I think some of this has to do with a variation in coaching styles -- and what the head coach himself brings to the table. Marv wasn't really a footbal guy perse. He was no great innovator or strategist. Rather, he was a master delegator -- and a guy intelligent and congenial enough to deal with a vast array of personalities. As such, Marv was always content to fill his staff with coaches who were ALREADY highly qualified -- and he placed the faith in them to do their jobs. He has/had the unique ability to talk to a room full of people -- and wind up with each person feeling that he was talking directly to them. A great communicator. Conversely, you have guys like Belichick, and Walsh that are football guys through and through. These guys have larger than life egos and surround themselves with young, bright assistants that marvel at what they can learn from the "master". These coaches also tend to be quite regimented in how they go about their business, which makes for a sound learning environment for up and comers. 572776[/snapback] A good post. However, I think Belichick is too cynical about everything--including himself--to be considered arrogant. I also don't see the staff Marv assembled as being anything particularly special. Ted Marchibroda and Wade Phillips were good hires, but beyond that I didn't see a whole lot of innovation coming from the coaching staff he assembled.
Orton's Arm Posted January 18, 2006 Author Posted January 18, 2006 I don't think Joe Gibbs has much of a coaching tree, either, come to think of it. Unless you think Joe Bugel counts. 572743[/snapback] Joe Gibbs isn't trying to hire someone else to be his team's head coach.
The Dean Posted January 18, 2006 Posted January 18, 2006 A good post. However, I think Belichick is too cynical about everything--including himself--to be considered arrogant. I also don't see the staff Marv assembled as being anything particularly special. Ted Marchibroda and Wade Phillips were good hires, but beyond that I didn't see a whole lot of innovation coming from the coaching staff he assembled. 573073[/snapback] Calling BB "arrogant" would be to suggest that he was, in some way, human. I don't remember him acting human...well...ever. He seems to be totally without personality or emotion. He cant even work up an "!@#$" persona. He can coach though. That just baffles me.
Jack Dupp, the fine young man Posted January 19, 2006 Posted January 19, 2006 Really????? Marv's last offensive coordinator was Dan Henning, who is the current offensive coordinator of the Panthers. Marv's last defensive coordinator was Wade Phillips, who is currently in consideration for a number of HC openings. Before that, Marchibroda was the OC and be went onto be the HC of the Colts and led his team to the AFC title game. 572526[/snapback] Longtime coordinators and failed head coaches before ever coming to work for Marv as assistants. Obviously, not branches of Marv's coaching brilliance. There are none. NONE. Marv doesn't even have his own tree, he is just a branch sticking off of the hollowed out log that used to be George Allen's coaching tree.
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 19, 2006 Posted January 19, 2006 Please, don't ask confusing questions. I must maintain complete seriousness!
turftoe Posted January 19, 2006 Posted January 19, 2006 Longtime coordinators and failed head coaches before ever coming to work for Marv as assistants. Obviously, not branches of Marv's coaching brilliance. There are none. NONE. Marv doesn't even have his own tree, he is just a branch sticking off of the hollowed out log that used to be George Allen's coaching tree. 573396[/snapback] People are forgetting the soon to be hall of famer Walt Cory. He was a coaching master. Took us to the superbowl with the likes of no talent bums like Smith Bennett, Talley, Conlan, Odoms and the like.
/dev/null Posted January 19, 2006 Posted January 19, 2006 While Head Coach at University of California - Berkeley, Levy had an assistant named Bill Walsh
finknottle Posted January 19, 2006 Posted January 19, 2006 I don't think Joe Gibbs has much of a coaching tree, either, come to think of it. Unless you think Joe Bugel counts. 572743[/snapback] Joe Bugel, Richie Petibone, Norv Turner, and Terry Robitskie (who always gets named interim coach and loses out the season). In the end, none of those guys proved successfull at the helm.
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 19, 2006 Posted January 19, 2006 While Head Coach at University of California - Berkeley, Levy had an assistant named Bill Walsh 573463[/snapback] True, true. Bill Walsh got his first coaching job via Marv. Which means that at least half the coaches in the NFL are his coaching grandchildren and great-grandchildren, in a way.
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 19, 2006 Posted January 19, 2006 Joe Bugel, Richie Petibone, Norv Turner, and Terry Robitskie (who always gets named interim coach and loses out the season). In the end, none of those guys proved successfull at the helm. 573558[/snapback] Hey, give Dan Henning some props. Cool as the other side of the pillow y'all.
Orton's Arm Posted January 19, 2006 Author Posted January 19, 2006 While Head Coach at University of California - Berkeley, Levy had an assistant named Bill Walsh 573463[/snapback] Which just goes to prove that even a blind squirrel can find a nut. I realize there are those out there who consider Marv more than just a blind squirrel. But if that's true, why does he have just one nut?
BillsWatch Posted January 19, 2006 Posted January 19, 2006 Calling BB "arrogant" would be to suggest that he was, in some way, human. I don't remember him acting human...well...ever. He seems to be totally without personality or emotion. He cant even work up an "!@#$" persona. He can coach though. That just baffles me. 573098[/snapback] Listen to his press conference after loss. He had plenty of emotion
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