NEEDFREDJACKSONNOW Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 For the record, I believe JP has only 4 - 8 weeks left on his injury. Does anyone know if this means he will be in "game ready" shape when he is healed? Sorry Drew, but you're playing yourself into a corner....
Rayzer32 Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 Dammit, thats about 4 weeks too late!!!!!!!! JP, we need you now!!!!
georg793 Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 GET WELL SOON J.P I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THE STATUE
nick in* england Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 PLEASE do not forget that starting JP now almost guarantees us a poor season. He is a rookie QB do not forget - not the second coming.
cåblelady Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 PLEASE do not forget that starting JP now almost guarantees us a poor season. He is a rookie QB do not forget - not the second coming. 40965[/snapback] He's the spark this team needs.
The Tomcat Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 in your best Capt'n Kirk voice.... "Must.....Find..........JP........." sorry captain.....we're billsfanone!!!!!!
UConn James Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 PLEASE do not forget that starting JP now almost guarantees us a poor season. He is a rookie QB do not forget - not the second coming. 40965[/snapback] They said that about Jim Kelly. When is JP supposed to start the NFL growing pains? And actually, this so-called poor rookie season didn't seem to happen for Brady, Manning or Pennington. Too many people are in the McNabb-McNair mode of thought that by holding them back a year, they'll magically be better than they were. And for the ones who start right away and tank, they weren't good enough for the NFL to begin with(!) --- Leaf, Boller, Mirer, etc. I think JP's got that special quality/fire you need to be a great QB.
jad1 Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 They said that about Jim Kelly. When is JP supposed to start the NFL growing pains? And actually, this so-called poor rookie season didn't seem to happen for Brady, Manning or Pennington. Too many people are in the McNabb-McNair mode of thought that by holding them back a year, they'll magically be better than they were. And for the ones who start right away and tank, they weren't good enough for the NFL to begin with(!) --- Leaf, Boller, Mirer, etc. I think JP's got that special quality/fire you need to be a great QB. 41057[/snapback] Jim Kelly had a couple of years in the USFL to prepare him for the NFL, and the Bills were still 4-12 his rookie NFL season. Brady didn't play his rookie year (actually, he threw 3 passes), he played his second year. Manning was 3-13 his rookie year. Pennington didn't start his rookie year. He wasn't name starter until his 3rd year and even then was an early season replacement for Testeverde. Holding a QB back a year is not a myth, it's a fact. JP does offer a different dimension than Bledsoe, but the reality is that the QB position is not going to pull Buffalo out of its offensive funk this season. To salvage this thing, the coaching staff is going to have to rely even more on the running game. Henry and McGahee will need to be used to pummel a defense. Right now, that's Buffalo's only real hope to make any progress this year.
obie_wan Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 Can't understand your argument. Playing Losman is bad because he is a rookie. But your plan for short term success is to treat our hall of Fame QB who is paid almost $9 mil like an inexeperienced, untalented rookie by running the ball so he doesn't cause sacks or turnovers. How is it worse to play anybody other than Drew? Jim Kelly had a couple of years in the USFL to prepare him for the NFL, and the Bills were still 4-12 his rookie NFL season. Brady didn't play his rookie year (actually, he threw 3 passes), he played his second year. Manning was 3-13 his rookie year. Pennington didn't start his rookie year. He wasn't name starter until his 3rd year and even then was an early season replacement for Testeverde. Holding a QB back a year is not a myth, it's a fact. JP does offer a different dimension than Bledsoe, but the reality is that the QB position is not going to pull Buffalo out of its offensive funk this season. To salvage this thing, the coaching staff is going to have to rely even more on the running game. Henry and McGahee will need to be used to pummel a defense. Right now, that's Buffalo's only real hope to make any progress this year. 41080[/snapback]
MadBuffaloDisease Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 Can't understand your argument. Playing Losman is bad because he is a rookie. But your plan for short term success is to treat our hall of Fame QB who is paid almost $9 mil like an inexeperienced, untalented rookie by running the ball so he doesn't cause sacks or turnovers. How is it worse to play anybody other than Drew? 41092[/snapback] Gee I don't know? Maybe throwing a load of INT's might hurt the offense MORE than it's hurting right now? Maybe poor blocking and JP having to scramble for his life might cause his to break more bones, seeing as how a routine tackle did him in in pratice? Maybe Shane Matthews' lack of time with the offense and lack of mobility won't be the salve for this offense? Just saying.
sidbuff Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 I cannot believe ehat people are posting up now............... U mean to tell me you would throw in a ROOKIE QB his 1st year after he has been injured for almost half the season.. Ok on that note some of you just reach a low point................Yeah lets throw him in there fresh from recovering an inujury after weeks and take a chance on him getting hurt again NICE............. Hey wait a minute how about throw him in there now ,,,
RkFast Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 I have no problem starting Losman. But Im prepared to begin rebuilding. Becuase if you DO start him, thats exactly what youre doing.
Guest Guest Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 They said that about Jim Kelly. When is JP supposed to start the NFL growing pains? And actually, this so-called poor rookie season didn't seem to happen for Brady, Manning or Pennington. Too many people are in the McNabb-McNair mode of thought that by holding them back a year, they'll magically be better than they were. And for the ones who start right away and tank, they weren't good enough for the NFL to begin with(!) --- Leaf, Boller, Mirer, etc. I think JP's got that special quality/fire you need to be a great QB. 41057[/snapback] Brady and Pennington did not start until a few games into their second season. Manning started his first season and threw something like 25 interceptions and "led" his team to 3 or 4 wins in 16 games. GET A CLUE before you post this stevestojan!
UConn James Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 Okay, then. Let's NEVER put JP in as the starter b/c he might break a nail!! When the doctors say he's ready to go, he can go. PERIOD. And sorry to say, but Brady and Pennington were 2nd year players on paper only. That, and, Manning was probably the strongest part of an otherwise weak Colts team his first season. Just like the Drew apologists, you can't blame him for the faults of others. Only, Manning was able to succeed and get better despite his surrounding cast, then last year they should have gone to the SB when they had the cast assembled. We've got the players assembled around Drew, we actually have a D. But he's too old to learn new tricks and he doesn't fit the offense, folks. That's how Brady is able to succeed. We're still trying to jam the square peg into the round hole.
Eric in Va Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 To salvage this thing, the coaching staff is going to have to rely even more on the running game. Henry and McGahee will need to be used to pummel a defense. Right now, that's Buffalo's only real hope to make any progress this year. 41080[/snapback] What would be the difference to put Losman or Bledsoe in to handle this type of offense that you suggest? If JP is in handing off the ball to TH or WM and not throwing, how is that increasing his chance of getting hurt. You are willing to allow Bledsoe to rely on the runners since he can't step back and throw, but your opinion is that this will not work for JP because he broke his leg and he is a rookie. I would put JP in so that you have upside potential and not continued ineffectiveness by Bledsoe. Your point of view does not make sense to me.
sidbuff Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 FIRST OFF I"M not disagreeing with putting JP in....I just don't agree with putting him in now and taking a chance on him getting hurt, did u ever think maybe it would benefit the team if he gets healthier and stronger so tha he can take a hit....remeber he got hurt in practice and not in an ACTUAL GAME......but what kills me is that you same people who say throw him in there now and when he gets hurt turn around and say DAMMM why did Mularkey put him in...............we benefit from JP more when he is completely healthier. EXAMPLE: Willis Mcgahee
Realist Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 Everyone is blaming Drew for the offensive problems. Have you guys been watching whatsoever? It doesn't matter who you throw back there, whether it be Drew, Losman, Matthews, or friggin Joe Montana in his prime, whoever is QB of this team will continue to get killed unless the offensive line actually figures out how to fuggin block someone. Putting JP back there when he returns will do nothing for him, he'll get crushed constantly or be forced to run all the time and that will do nothing for his confidence. Thats what I think is the problem with Rookie starters, they lose their confidence. Let this line play together this year with Drew behind them and finish out the year. Whoever thought we were going to the Superbowl this year was kidding themselves. The playoffs were a stretch and are really not out of reach yet, its only been 2 games. If you put JP in there when he returns that means you are giving up on the season. Its possible by the time he's healthy the season will be lost, or we may put together a few wins. This team will get better as the season moves on. Lets recap why we lost 2 games: Game 1: Fumbles, untimely penalties, missed FG, Defense that couldn't stop three 4th down plays on final drive. Not Drew. Game 2: Misfired passes, dropped balls, untimely penalties (especially on returns), RB's and OL that have no idea how to block, Defense that can't stop a 3rd and 27. Not all Drew. Anyone that blames both losses all on DB really didn't pay attention to the games and probably just doesn't like Bledsoe.
RkFast Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 Wait a second....NOBODY is saying that Losman cant cut it. What is being said that if you DO put him in, be prepared for growing pains. They may come. They may not and everything might click. But by taking the risk of playing a rook with ZIPPO experience, youve got to be prepared for losing and growing pains. You MUST be prepared for that very possible scenario. And frankly, its downright laughable to compare an untested rook to a first ballot HOFer, one of the leagues BEST passers and one of the best young QBs.
sidbuff Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 So what you're saying is put him in now (right after he recovers which he might be 50/50) have him play take a chance on him getting hurt along with the ZIPPO experience liek U mentioned and have a probability of him getting hurt again B\C we must be prepared for that POSSIBLE SCENARIO NOW (which by the way is very high) instead of just holding off and have at full strength for the future of the team..
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