eball Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 He's a tool. Now he's promoting Ted Cottrell for DC. He said Cottrell "led a turnaround of the Jets' defense" and did marvelous things in Minnesota. Funny how a guy can be doing such great things yet be fired by two teams. Childress didn't even want to meet with him. If the Bills hire Cottrell, mediocrity will follow. Of course, some would say that mediocrity is a step up for the Bills' defense, which is fair. The return of Takeo, however, should accomplish that on its' own. I'd like to get somebody in here with a proven track record on his own or a new guy with fresh ideas -- no mediocre retreads, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 He's a tool. Now he's promoting Ted Cottrell for DC. He said Cottrell "led a turnaround of the Jets' defense" and did marvelous things in Minnesota. Funny how a guy can be doing such great things yet be fired by two teams. Childress didn't even want to meet with him. If the Bills hire Cottrell, mediocrity will follow. Of course, some would say that mediocrity is a step up for the Bills' defense, which is fair. The return of Takeo, however, should accomplish that on its' own. I'd like to get somebody in here with a proven track record on his own or a new guy with fresh ideas -- no mediocre retreads, please. 561729[/snapback] You got this one wrong....Cottrell is class and can coach D....he is NOT a retread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Author Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Agree Agree Agree. No way as DC. I would take him for the DL or LB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loadofmularkey Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 He's a tool. Now he's promoting Ted Cottrell for DC. He said Cottrell "led a turnaround of the Jets' defense" and did marvelous things in Minnesota. Funny how a guy can be doing such great things yet be fired by two teams. Childress didn't even want to meet with him. If the Bills hire Cottrell, mediocrity will follow. Of course, some would say that mediocrity is a step up for the Bills' defense, which is fair. The return of Takeo, however, should accomplish that on its' own. I'd like to get somebody in here with a proven track record on his own or a new guy with fresh ideas -- no mediocre retreads, please. 561729[/snapback] Don't let your hate for Sullivan twist your view of Cottrell. From what I remember he led the Bills to the #1 defense in the league with guys like Keion Carpenter, Jay Foreman and Keith Newman. The Vikings defense was very good this year, and a big reason for their turnaround. As far as Childress not wanting to meet with him...do you think maybe Childress has his own guy that he wants to bring in, as is the case with most other new HC's? (Mularkey-Gray being a rare exception). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Cool, another thread calling out Jerry Sullivan!!! BTW, Cotrell led the Bills defenses to rankings of 6, 1, and 3 from 1998-2000. His downfall with the Jets, after he had turned their defense around, was more about management decisions- for example, letting Farrior walk while re-signing aging gimps like Mo Lewis and Sam Cowart and Marvin Jones at LB. The Jets recent draft picks of DT Robertson (traded up to get him) and ILB Vilma prove that they know they were lacking in talent. Cotrell took the fall for that. With the Vikes, the D has been respectable, and Cotrell has done it with many of the same players who the Bills considered either disposable or not worthy of the price they were asking. I think he'd do better than most here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I think Cotrell's prospects could be pretty interesting if we drafted Mario Williams and shifted to the 3-4. I'm getting the feeling that Ferguson will not fall to us, and if we get a dominating end, and a raw but talented DT and shift to 3-4 we've suddenly got depth at the line and a pretty fearsome pass rush with Schobel, Adams and Williams. LBs are easier to come by, and with Crowell's emergence and either a cheap upgrade or more defined role for Posey I think Cotrell could do some damage. Just a thought. A lot of chips would have to fall our way for it to work though and there would still be questions about run support, ie could this personnel do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 He's a tool. Now he's promoting Ted Cottrell for DC. He said Cottrell "led a turnaround of the Jets' defense" and did marvelous things in Minnesota. Funny how a guy can be doing such great things yet be fired by two teams. Childress didn't even want to meet with him. If the Bills hire Cottrell, mediocrity will follow. Of course, some would say that mediocrity is a step up for the Bills' defense, which is fair. The return of Takeo, however, should accomplish that on its' own. I'd like to get somebody in here with a proven track record on his own or a new guy with fresh ideas -- no mediocre retreads, please. 561729[/snapback] While I am all for going with guys with "fresh ideas", I think bringing back Ted Cottrell would be far from the worst thing the Bills could do. If Cottrell came back to Buffalo, he would, arguably, coming in to a situation with a better core of players than the Jets and Vikings had when he got there. It took him a little while in both places, but he had both playing very good defense at one time or another. With the Jets, Edwards canned him, to save his own job. The Jets defense was deciamated by injuries. In Minnesota, while all the credit went to Brad Johnson for the Vikings second half surge in 2005, Cottrells' defense deserved just as much, if not more of the credit. Now, he is being fired in Minnesota, not because he did a bad job, but becuase there is a new head coach, who wants his own guys in there... It may have been Wade Phillips' influence, but it was during the Cottrell/Phillips era that we last saw the Bills with a defense that made half time adjustments that worked. It seems like the Bills have gone with a lot of "fresh idea" people over the last 5 years, and I can't think of one, off the top of my head, that has panned out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I like Cotrell, and I think he'd do a good job- but he's not a fit for every team or head coach. Mularkey and Levy will find a good fit, I'm not worried either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 He's a tool. Now he's promoting Ted Cottrell for DC. He said Cottrell "led a turnaround of the Jets' defense" and did marvelous things in Minnesota. Funny how a guy can be doing such great things yet be fired by two teams. Childress didn't even want to meet with him. If the Bills hire Cottrell, mediocrity will follow. Of course, some would say that mediocrity is a step up for the Bills' defense, which is fair. The return of Takeo, however, should accomplish that on its' own. I'd like to get somebody in here with a proven track record on his own or a new guy with fresh ideas -- no mediocre retreads, please. 561729[/snapback] Wow - reasonable people differ on this, but because Jerry Sullivan writes that he likes Ted the ex-Bills DC must suck and Sullivan must be a tool. It's his opinion, and it looks like quite a few people here would like to see Ted back with the Bills. It's fine if you don't, but don't blame that on Jerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 11, 2006 Author Share Posted January 11, 2006 First of all, I don't "hate" Sullivan. If anyone has read my prior posts on the subject you would see that I'm usually the one simply laughing at his attempts to inflame his readership. Second, my opinion concerning Cottrell was noted long before Sully's article. I believe he lived off Wade's coattails while in Buffalo and has done nothing to distinguish himself since. He's a "fine young man" as John Butler would say, but that doesn't mean I want him back in Buffalo. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. I merely refer to Sullivan as a "tool" because he's a lazy reporter. He doesn't break new ground; he rehashes old news and puts an inflammatory spin on it. To read his article, one must only assume that Bills' management are the kings of the idiot world if they don't immediately hire TC back as DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I think Cotrell's prospects could be pretty interesting if we drafted Mario Williams and shifted to the 3-4. I'm getting the feeling that Ferguson will not fall to us, and if we get a dominating end, and a raw but talented DT and shift to 3-4 we've suddenly got depth at the line and a pretty fearsome pass rush with Schobel, Adams and Williams. LBs are easier to come by, and with Crowell's emergence and either a cheap upgrade or more defined role for Posey I think Cotrell could do some damage. Just a thought. A lot of chips would have to fall our way for it to work though and there would still be questions about run support, ie could this personnel do it? 561746[/snapback] I agree--though I'm not sure we have the right personnel. Could Sam Adams play end in a 3-4? I doubt it. Our ends--Kelsay and Schoebel--probably are undersized to play DE's in a 3-4. And the key to any good 3-4 is having the perfect nose tackle, which we don't have. I do think we have the LB core to play a great 3-4; just not sure about the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 if you hire Ted, you better bring Wade to be his DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Yeah I don't get the fascination with Cottrell. Seems like a nice guy, but the defense was definitely Phillips', and since he's been (or will be) fired twice. No thanks. Might as well as a good DT and keep Gray if that's the thinking, since he knows the players and schemes better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Ted Cottrell is smart enough to tailor his D to the existing personel. Remember, Minn played a 4-3 under Cottrell until switching to a 3-4 midway thru the season. Also, high character players like PW and AW like playing for Cottrell, as evidenced by their following him to Minn. Personally, I'd love the move. He's experienced and loves Buffalo. Perhaps he was in a bit over his head last time, but his D sure played well, statistically. I think he'd be a tremendous choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I love how Sullivan praises Cottrell for getting the Vikings to turn it around and go through a 7-2 stretch to a near miss in the playoffs....first off, the Vikings did that against a VERY WEAK schedule, and let's remember, the Vikings were being boasted as a LEGITIMATE SUPER BOWL contender before the season, and they missed the playoffs. How is that a "success?" Please JS. Two years ago, the Bills went 9-7, a near miss for the playoffs, and went on a big run against a weak schedule, and yet Sullivan ripped that defense to shreads. Heck, he ripped the team in general. Why so much love fora DC who was fired twice in what, 4 years?!?!? Sullivan contradicts himself so many times it isn't even funny. He has zero credibility in my eyes. He is just one angry man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven in MD Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Who had a better defense this season, Minn or Buffalo? How won more games this season Minn or Buffalo? Give TC some props, he has done it with less talent than the Bills have. We would be so lucky to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipers Hair Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 He's a tool. Now he's promoting Ted Cottrell for DC. He said Cottrell "led a turnaround of the Jets' defense" and did marvelous things in Minnesota. Funny how a guy can be doing such great things yet be fired by two teams. Childress didn't even want to meet with him. If the Bills hire Cottrell, mediocrity will follow. Of course, some would say that mediocrity is a step up for the Bills' defense, which is fair. The return of Takeo, however, should accomplish that on its' own. I'd like to get somebody in here with a proven track record on his own or a new guy with fresh ideas -- no mediocre retreads, please. 561729[/snapback] Sorry - TC is a good DC...I would take him in a minute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Mom Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 We need a DC who is not about gimmickry and who knows how to make a second half adjustment or two. We need a DC who's not blitzing every 3rd and long, setting up his D to give up the cheap play. We need a defense where sound tackling is what matters, not complicated schemes. When was the last time we had that? Oh right, Ted Cotrell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Give TC some props, he has done it with less talent than the Bills have. We would be so lucky to get him. The Bills have better talent on defense than the Vikes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 i would love to have teddy back,and if not him then dom capers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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