Chilly Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 ... At least better then Leinart. Leinart's arm = Holcomb's arm.
Alaska Darin Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 So? Andre Ware could throw better than Heath Shuler too.
RunTheBall Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 Ummm, that's a stretch. Leinart can toss the deep ball and deep out. RTB
Tux of Borg Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 Leinart's Brain = Brady's Brain 561624[/snapback] USC and NE don't get any respect.
Spiderweb Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 ... At least better then Leinart. Leinart's arm = Holcomb's arm. 561580[/snapback] In mechanics and accuracy, Leinart (based upon college performance of course) wins hands down. He throws a very catchable ball, and while he does get a bit soft on some of his throws from time to time, it seems plenty strong enough to make the necesary thows. Compared to Holcomb, Leinart looks better and definitely has a greater upside, in that I believe we've all seen Holcomb's best, and many of us found that lacking. Vince Young seems to have some intangibles however, in terms of competitiveness and and athleticism. Yet, I can't get by his poor footwork, or his unorthodox throwing motion which frequently is almost sidearm. To this fan, Young is the greater risk.
Buckeye Eric Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 Remember that Ryan Leaf could throw in college as well.
smokinandjokin Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 Mack Brown said the reason they were successful was because they left Vince alone and stopped trying to tinker with him. Do you seriously think that he'll be able to 1) Run like he did in college against NFL linebackers and safety??? AND Do you think he'll 2) End up with an NFL QB coach, OC, and Head Coach who won't try to tinker with his motion??? I know he's 6'5'', but so are most offensive and defensive linemen. His throwing motion takes his height advantage and makes him about 5'10". Vince will always be a better athlete, but Leinart will be a better pro. He's been playing in a pro offense for 3 years, studying film and reading defenses like a pro. He hasn't been playing sandlot football. Leinart's arm can be questioned at times, but I think it's more about his ball flight. He has the arm, but sometimes, like the INT in the Rose Bowl, he tries to float it in when zipping it would be better.
KD in CA Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 Mack Brown said the reason they were successful was because they left Vince alone and stopped trying to tinker with him. Do you seriously think that he'll be able to 1) Run like he did in college against NFL linebackers and safety??? AND Do you think he'll 2) End up with an NFL QB coach, OC, and Head Coach who won't try to tinker with his motion??? I know he's 6'5'', but so are most offensive and defensive linemen. His throwing motion takes his height advantage and makes him about 5'10". Exactly. I get the feeling that a lot of people who are touting these running QBs don't watch a lot of college football and don't understand that it is a dramatically different game at the pro level. There is no defense in college ball that can come close to simulating what it's like to play v. a pro defense. The quality of the athletes and the complexity of the schemes make it significantly more difficult for the 'athletic' QB to match the success they had in college. I'm not saying Young can't be an NFL QB; time will tell. But you can wipe out those 200 yard rushing performance in the NFL, and without that in the Rose Bowl is he a national celebrety right now?
Alaska Darin Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 USC's defense gave up 42 points to FRESNO STATE.
Chilly Posted January 11, 2006 Author Posted January 11, 2006 I've been watching Vince through three years now, and he has always thrown very accurate long balls, as well as the dreaded WR screen play that we always love to run and get 1 yard on.
scurdog1 Posted January 12, 2006 Posted January 12, 2006 Vince puts the deep ball out to a spot and lets his very talented receivers make catches. On the intermediate throws to the TE, how often does the TE adjust to make the catch...a lot, that is not an NFL arm.
ans4e64 Posted January 12, 2006 Posted January 12, 2006 Remember that Ryan Leaf could throw in college as well. 561766[/snapback]
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted January 12, 2006 Posted January 12, 2006 I think Young can throw and play effective QB (with a ton of training and time as all QBs- even Peyton Manning who elevated the Colts from 3-13 to 3-13 after playing his rookie season) in the NFL. However, even with this belief the key thing for me as a Bills fan is that there is NO WAY he should do this for the Bills (or should Matt Leinart either). The costs of trading up to pick 1-3 from #8 to get one of these guys is huge and would be an immediate setback for 2006 (and probably 2007). Add to that the 2 years it will take for him to become a winner if he is on the Eli Manning track (probably longer as we would not have the Edge/Harrison "types" at other key positions besides RB/WR we need after we trade resources to move up) and getting young or Leinart would condemn this team to several years of losing.
BDW1968 Posted January 12, 2006 Posted January 12, 2006 ... At least better then Leinart. Leinart's arm = Holcomb's arm. 561580[/snapback] Not much better........ how many deep balls or 30 yards outs did you see him throw in the bowl game?.....................a BIG FAT 0.
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