daquixers_is_back Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I suppose I am just confused about the whole JP situation. I would understand if this was his 3rd year starting and he had this type of year. But it was'nt. This was his first year as a starting QB. Lets take a look: -------------------------------- Carson Palmer 1st year starting ::: 263/432 (60.9%) for 2,897 yards, 18 TD, 18 INT Carson Palmer 2nd year starting ::: 345/509 (67.8%) for 3,836, 32 TD, 12 INT **started 13 games first year starting -------------------------------- Byron Leftwich 1st year starting ::: 239/418 (57.2%) for 2,819 yards, 14 TD, 16 INT Byron Leftwich 2nd year starting ::: 267/441 (60.5%) for 2,941yards, 15 TD, 10 INT Byron Leftwich 3rd year starting ::: 175/302 (57.9%) for 2,123 yards, 15 TD, 5 INT **started 13 games first year starting **started 14 games second year starting **started 11 games third year starting (got hurt) -------------------------------- Eli Manning 1st year starting ::: 95/197 (48.2%) for 1,043 yards, 6 TD, 9 INT Eli Manning 2nd year starting ::: 294/557 (52.8%) for 3,762 yards, 24 TD, 17 INT **started 7 games first year starting -------------------------------- JP Losman 1st year starting ::: 113/228 (49.6%) for 1,340 yards, 8 TD, 8 INT JP Losman 2nd year starting ::: ??? **started 8 games first year starting My whole point is this. Many people seem to want to give up on this kid. Why? After one year as a starting QB ... one year as a starting QB who played 8 games? In my opinion we should have started him to the entire year. We were not going to make the playoffs either way and this way, he could have ironed out a lot more than when he was sitting on the bench. BTW: I picked these QB's because even though they had a rough first year, in their 2nd or 3rd year they had good numbers and had their teams in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I'm with you, frenchie......JP has not had nearly enough time for there to be any conclusions drawn. I'm not giving up on him. I think he's got the perfect mentality for a Buffalo QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaBills Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I suppose I am just confused about the whole JP situation. I would understand if this was his 3rd year starting and he had this type of year. But it was'nt. This was his first year as a starting QB. Lets take a look: -------------------------------- Carson Palmer 1st year starting ::: 263/432 (60.9%) for 2,897 yards, 18 TD, 18 INT Carson Palmer 2nd year starting ::: 345/509 (67.8%) for 3,836, 32 TD, 12 INT **started 13 games first year starting -------------------------------- Byron Leftwich 1st year starting ::: 239/418 (57.2%) for 2,819 yards, 14 TD, 16 INT Byron Leftwich 2nd year starting ::: 267/441 (60.5%) for 2,941yards, 15 TD, 10 INT Byron Leftwich 3rd year starting ::: 175/302 (57.9%) for 2,123 yards, 15 TD, 5 INT **started 13 games first year starting **started 14 games second year starting **started 11 games third year starting (got hurt) -------------------------------- Eli Manning 1st year starting ::: 95/197 (48.2%) for 1,043 yards, 6 TD, 9 INT Eli Manning 2nd year starting ::: 294/557 (52.8%) for 3,762 yards, 24 TD, 17 INT **started 7 games first year starting -------------------------------- JP Losman 1st year starting ::: 113/228 (49.6%) for 1,340 yards, 8 TD, 8 INT JP Losman 2nd year starting ::: ??? **started 8 games first year starting My whole point is this. Many people seem to want to give up on this kid. Why? After one year as a starting QB ... one year as a starting QB who played 8 games? In my opinion we should have started him to the entire year. We were not going to make the playoffs either way and this way, he could have ironed out a lot more than when he was sitting on the bench. BTW: I picked these QB's because even though they had a rough first year, in their 2nd or 3rd year they had good numbers and had their teams in the playoffs. 559228[/snapback] STOP IT! You are making way too much sense for many people on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted January 8, 2006 Author Share Posted January 8, 2006 I'm with you, frenchie......JP has not had nearly enough time for there to be any conclusions drawn. I'm not giving up on him. I think he's got the perfect mentality for a Buffalo QB. 559230[/snapback] Explain the Frenchie part? Lol ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Explain the Frenchie part? Lol ... 559233[/snapback] Your first name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 The numbers you posted are certainly encouraging and are a nice reminder that sometimes experience can cure a lot. I think some people are discouraged about Losman, though, because there wasn't much progress evident. He didn't seem to be able to read defenses any better from week to week; in some cases, it seemed like he was regressing. I think people will embrace Losman a bit more once he shows some progress next year. And in all likelihood, he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDW1968 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I suppose I am just confused about the whole JP situation. I would understand if this was his 3rd year starting and he had this type of year. But it was'nt. This was his first year as a starting QB. Lets take a look: -------------------------------- Carson Palmer 1st year starting ::: 263/432 (60.9%) for 2,897 yards, 18 TD, 18 INT Carson Palmer 2nd year starting ::: 345/509 (67.8%) for 3,836, 32 TD, 12 INT **started 13 games first year starting -------------------------------- Byron Leftwich 1st year starting ::: 239/418 (57.2%) for 2,819 yards, 14 TD, 16 INT Byron Leftwich 2nd year starting ::: 267/441 (60.5%) for 2,941yards, 15 TD, 10 INT Byron Leftwich 3rd year starting ::: 175/302 (57.9%) for 2,123 yards, 15 TD, 5 INT **started 13 games first year starting **started 14 games second year starting **started 11 games third year starting (got hurt) -------------------------------- Eli Manning 1st year starting ::: 95/197 (48.2%) for 1,043 yards, 6 TD, 9 INT Eli Manning 2nd year starting ::: 294/557 (52.8%) for 3,762 yards, 24 TD, 17 INT **started 7 games first year starting -------------------------------- JP Losman 1st year starting ::: 113/228 (49.6%) for 1,340 yards, 8 TD, 8 INT JP Losman 2nd year starting ::: ??? **started 8 games first year starting My whole point is this. Many people seem to want to give up on this kid. Why? After one year as a starting QB ... one year as a starting QB who played 8 games? In my opinion we should have started him to the entire year. We were not going to make the playoffs either way and this way, he could have ironed out a lot more than when he was sitting on the bench. BTW: I picked these QB's because even though they had a rough first year, in their 2nd or 3rd year they had good numbers and had their teams in the playoffs. 559228[/snapback] Great post, he is a very good young Qb and I hope Marv & MM will let him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I suppose I am just confused about the whole JP situation. I would understand if this was his 3rd year starting and he had this type of year. But it was'nt. This was his first year as a starting QB. Lets take a look: -------------------------------- Carson Palmer 1st year starting ::: 263/432 (60.9%) for 2,897 yards, 18 TD, 18 INT Carson Palmer 2nd year starting ::: 345/509 (67.8%) for 3,836, 32 TD, 12 INT **started 13 games first year starting -------------------------------- Byron Leftwich 1st year starting ::: 239/418 (57.2%) for 2,819 yards, 14 TD, 16 INT Byron Leftwich 2nd year starting ::: 267/441 (60.5%) for 2,941yards, 15 TD, 10 INT Byron Leftwich 3rd year starting ::: 175/302 (57.9%) for 2,123 yards, 15 TD, 5 INT **started 13 games first year starting **started 14 games second year starting **started 11 games third year starting (got hurt) -------------------------------- Eli Manning 1st year starting ::: 95/197 (48.2%) for 1,043 yards, 6 TD, 9 INT Eli Manning 2nd year starting ::: 294/557 (52.8%) for 3,762 yards, 24 TD, 17 INT **started 7 games first year starting -------------------------------- JP Losman 1st year starting ::: 113/228 (49.6%) for 1,340 yards, 8 TD, 8 INT JP Losman 2nd year starting ::: ??? **started 8 games first year starting My whole point is this. Many people seem to want to give up on this kid. Why? After one year as a starting QB ... one year as a starting QB who played 8 games? In my opinion we should have started him to the entire year. We were not going to make the playoffs either way and this way, he could have ironed out a lot more than when he was sitting on the bench. BTW: I picked these QB's because even though they had a rough first year, in their 2nd or 3rd year they had good numbers and had their teams in the playoffs. 559228[/snapback] it's pretty hard to tell whether he's any good playing behind the line we had. about all we know for sure is that he was overwhelmed. that said, i'm not sold on him...but seriously, at this point, how can you tell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 The numbers you posted are certainly encouraging and are a nice reminder that sometimes experience can cure a lot. I think some people are discouraged about Losman, though, because there wasn't much progress evident. He didn't seem to be able to read defenses any better from week to week; in some cases, it seemed like he was regressing. I think people will embrace Losman a bit more once he shows some progress next year. And in all likelihood, he will. 559240[/snapback] Once the OL is addressed, we should be able to see some progress out of JP. Assuming of course that the job isn't given to a journeyman backup again. Or Marcus Vick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 i'm not sold on him...but seriously, at this point, how can you tell? 559243[/snapback] I think this is a great way to look at Losman at this point. Really, no one should be sold on Losman yet because he hasn't shown anything worth buying. Not yet. But, as you said, it's too early to tell whether or not he'll be good or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I think some people are discouraged about Losman, though, because there wasn't much progress evident. He didn't seem to be able to read defenses any better from week to week; in some cases, it seemed like he was regressing. 559240[/snapback] The only problem with this is that he wasn't given the chance to progress. He was pulled out of the line up.....twice! (Injury my ass) Manning looked pretty bad from his first start to his last, and looked much better this year. If these coaches would give JP the CHANCE to make mistakes and learn from them, I would have high expectations for him. I am more than willing to call a duck a duck. If JP were a failed experiment, I would say so. But when someone says JP has had two seasons and is still horrible, they are just looking for things to complain about. PLAYING TIME IS IMPORTANT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Explain the Frenchie part? Lol ... 559233[/snapback] What da hell is a daquixers? Sounded like some french word to me.....sorry man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 yeah really what is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaBills Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 The numbers you posted are certainly encouraging and are a nice reminder that sometimes experience can cure a lot. I think some people are discouraged about Losman, though, because there wasn't much progress evident. He didn't seem to be able to read defenses any better from week to week; in some cases, it seemed like he was regressing. I think people will embrace Losman a bit more once he shows some progress next year. And in all likelihood, he will. 559240[/snapback] My friend, go to espn.com and look at JP's numbers. He had essentially two halves to the season. The first 4 games, then he got benched, and then the last 5 games with 4 starts. His numbers break down like this: First half: 45/94 for 433 yds (47.9%) 1 TD 2 INT 52.3 QB RTG 19 rushes for 102 yds (5.4ypc) Second half: 68/134 for 907 yds (50.7%) 7 TD 6 INT 77.5 QB RTG 12 rushes for 52 yds (4.3ypc) So in his second half, he threw for more than twice as many yards, for 6 more touches and 4 more picks, and he pulled up his QB rating by 25 points and pulled his completion percentage over 50%. All of this in about 3 more quarters more playing time in the second half. If anything, you can say he was inconsistent from game to game. He had some pretty good games and some pretty bad games. I guess we now require all first year quarterbacks to be Ben Roethlisberger. But the numbers clearly indicate that he did in fact improve over the course of the season, and deserved to start the final two games of the season over kelly holcomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I suppose I am just confused about the whole JP situation. I would understand if this was his 3rd year starting and he had this type of year. But it was'nt. This was his first year as a starting QB. Lets take a look: -------------------------------- Carson Palmer 1st year starting ::: 263/432 (60.9%) for 2,897 yards, 18 TD, 18 INT Carson Palmer 2nd year starting ::: 345/509 (67.8%) for 3,836, 32 TD, 12 INT **started 13 games first year starting -------------------------------- Byron Leftwich 1st year starting ::: 239/418 (57.2%) for 2,819 yards, 14 TD, 16 INT Byron Leftwich 2nd year starting ::: 267/441 (60.5%) for 2,941yards, 15 TD, 10 INT Byron Leftwich 3rd year starting ::: 175/302 (57.9%) for 2,123 yards, 15 TD, 5 INT **started 13 games first year starting **started 14 games second year starting **started 11 games third year starting (got hurt) -------------------------------- Eli Manning 1st year starting ::: 95/197 (48.2%) for 1,043 yards, 6 TD, 9 INT Eli Manning 2nd year starting ::: 294/557 (52.8%) for 3,762 yards, 24 TD, 17 INT **started 7 games first year starting -------------------------------- JP Losman 1st year starting ::: 113/228 (49.6%) for 1,340 yards, 8 TD, 8 INT JP Losman 2nd year starting ::: ??? **started 8 games first year starting My whole point is this. Many people seem to want to give up on this kid. Why? After one year as a starting QB ... one year as a starting QB who played 8 games? In my opinion we should have started him to the entire year. We were not going to make the playoffs either way and this way, he could have ironed out a lot more than when he was sitting on the bench. BTW: I picked these QB's because even though they had a rough first year, in their 2nd or 3rd year they had good numbers and had their teams in the playoffs. 559228[/snapback] great post, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted January 8, 2006 Author Share Posted January 8, 2006 What da hell is a daquixers? Sounded like some french word to me.....sorry man 559255[/snapback] LOL ... honestly I just made it up ... its cool though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 The only problem with this is that he wasn't given the chance to progress. He was pulled out of the line up.....twice! (Injury my ass) Oh, definitely. The waffling over Losman/Holcomb certainly had a negative impact on his progression, no doubt. I was referencing more to Losman's solid performance in week one and then awful performances in the games to follow. Then we played Holcomb, and when Losman was re-inserted in the KC game, Losman looked good again. And after that, he went back to looking bad. So that might seem discouraging to folks. But I do agree that Losman wasn't given a fair chance this year. Really, we should've just resigned ourselves to a pathetic record this year. It shouldn't have been a surprise. But everyone was telling us this off-season how far Wyche had brought JP and how we could make the playoffs like Pittsburgh did last year with Big Ben- a running game and strong defense. We didn't account for the defense imploding and Willis' laziness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 LOL ... honestly I just made it up ... its cool though 559264[/snapback] You sure did.....not even Google knew what the hell it was. Nice job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catholic Guilt Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 daquixers_is_back stop making sense on this board. Logic and stats are meant for other places! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted January 8, 2006 Author Share Posted January 8, 2006 You sure did.....not even Google knew what the hell it was. Nice job 559282[/snapback] LOL - thankyou ... making crap up use to be my hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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