Chalkie Gerzowski Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 I want to be the first to welcome back Walt Corey and the triumphant return of the coffee stirrer's "bend but don't break" style of defense. Remember what Marv said......pursuit + gang-tackling = takeaways. Now where are my Zubaz.......
The Jokeman Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 Well, Marv or Modrak or Mularkey could make a nice start with the fans by choosing a sexy candidate with a big name. 554623[/snapback] I'm assuming you mean Dom Campers?
East Brady Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 Capers. Write it down. 554714[/snapback] But wasn't he a pittsburgh guy at one time????
Gambler Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 I'll betcha our next Dcoordinator is Don Blackmon. 554669[/snapback] Why? Because he developed Posey from being anonymous to invisible?
WVUFootball29 Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 Uh, wrong. GW's Buffalo defense sucked his first two seasons. GW said they were going to lead the league in sacks, set a new sack record and stop the run with numbers. Pffffft. GW was such a genius that Donahoe had to bring in LeBeau to turn the mess around. Does any of this ring a bell? LeBeau ran a very good defense, and Gray ran a good one a year later. 554665[/snapback] Learn to read... I said GW and Lebeau...meaning together. If I said GW ran a great defense I wouldnt have mentioned Lebeau. Of course the defense the GW had on his own was a great one right??? He ruined it, it wasnt the lack of quality starters in 2001 or anything was it?
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 Learn to read... I said GW and Lebeau...meaning together. If I said GW ran a great defense I wouldnt have mentioned Lebeau. Of course the defense the GW had on his own was a great one right??? He ruined it, it wasnt the lack of quality starters in 2001 or anything was it? 554817[/snapback] Well put my mark down in the heretic column as though I agree with folks that Gray's wprk certainly was not productive at all this year, his work in 2003 and in 2004 was quite impressive IMHO. I think he is not the perfect coach as his initial work as DC for GW was not prodyctuve and his work within the madhouse run by TD and MM this year also showed that he does not have the ability to overcome a bad context snd the great ones make their own context. However, Gray impressed me with these specifics: 1. The Bills D under Gray was horrid in 2001 and 2002, but as the team was going through cap hell giving them a mulligan for 2001 (particularly with the injury to Cowart and the dumb contract work of cutting JH and HJ). Gray also deserves to be reamed for his role in buying into or promoting the idea of Robinson having enough left at LB and Jenkins having enough left at safety. I blame GW the most for these assessment errors as the HC who used to coach these guys should have known better if this was Gray's error out of some misplaced loyalty for old teammates, but if this as primarily GW's idea then I actually give Gray a positive mark for managing well with these players who could not cut it. 2. I started becoming impressed with Gray with the 2003 finish of this D in the top 5 statistically in the league. This was clearly driven by the switch to the LeBeau run-blitz scheme from the GW 4-3 scheme which did not work with the Bills not having a Jevon Kearse talent at DE or a Blaine Bishop at SS. Gray impressed me because though I assumed he retained the DC title only so there was no clear demonstration that GW deserved to be fired after his second year (despite the O dragging the team to an 8-8 record after GW's first choice Sheppard got canned). However, Gray demonstrate an ability to master the LeBeau scheme incredibly quickly as he did the day of game playcalling effectively with a totally different D than he was trained in. 3. The again suprising decision to me that LeBeau was gone and Gray got the full reins in 2004, i think really was a tour de force in great work by Gray in 2004. If in fact, the D sucess was all LeBeau' work, I think we would see some real signs of that in 2004 in its production. LeBeau was not going to be around to gameplan each week nor would he be there to make adjustments at halftime to deal with places where he gameplan wa not working. I really expected the statistical production to drop into the top 10 at best without LeBeau here, instead the D performance improved and I think it is not credible to not give Gray some of the credit for this importance or attribute this gain to all to LeBeau (not to mention GW as giving him credit for this D's spotty good performancs is simply silly). Gray showed a great ability to diagnose, design and implement adjustments (the tour de force was the run D adjustment against Miami which shut down Sammy Morris who shredded the team in the first half). Though sometimes the gameplan was not great, he easily balanced this and produced good results with some great midgame adjustments last year. Gray also was very impressive last year with some coverage changes he designed and implemented using the bye week last year and it seemed to be a key part of the greatly improved Bills production in the second half of last season as they started 0-4 but then peeled off a massive winning streak until they ran into LeBeau the master in Pitts in the last game. This brings us back to this year and the piss=poor performance. I have no problem with the Bills moving on to another DC. The key to this league is producion and what have you done for me lately. The D did not produce this year and with that Gray can reasonably be gone. However, to simply declare him incompetent simply strikes me as the usual disppointed whining of hurt fans and ignores the fact that Gray can play a very good role and do great work if the other facets of the team are also working well. The Bills need to right the leadership of state for this team at GM, and with a good GM who is not passive/aggressive scared of getting fired again by an HC he hired I think as in 2003 and 04. Gray has demonstrated he can do th job productively after a bad start. With a good GM, I think he could do the job in 2006.
eball Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 Well, well, well.... Vindication baby!!! 554609[/snapback] I still believe this is a case of "I'll quit before they fire me." In any case, I'm not disappointed.
nick in* england Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 Well, Marv or Modrak or Mularkey could make a nice start with the fans by choosing a sexy candidate with a big name. 554623[/snapback] Maria Sharapova?
nick in* england Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 It's not such a big deal Gray going is it tho? I mean - he was a holdover and never one of MM's boys, hence, for me, the writing was on the wall for him anyway. Factor in the constant HC chatter and we'd have lost him anyway.
WVUFootball29 Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 Maria Sharapova? 554841[/snapback] Definately sexy in my book....oh to be that cell phone in her commercial
cåblelady Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 Chad Pennington vs. Eddie Robinson. Aw man, now I'm gonna have nightmares tonight.... 554671[/snapback] How'd ya sleep, Lori?
TheZone78 Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 Channel 4 also said several other defensive coaches have been let go, which makes sense with a new co-ordinator. Here's a case where the ties in Pittsburgh can be beneficial with Dom Capers. I'd love to see a 3-4 back. Don't know if Schobel would be as effective with it since he'd be lining up on the tackles inside shoulder instead of his outside shoulder. I don't know if Sam Adams can play that two gap tackle we would need either. Oh well, it's fun to think about it!
Tom Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 Well, well, well.... Vindication baby!!! Vindication my butt! They probably got their info from your post!!!
Simon Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 What is Haslett's strength Def or Offense? 554882[/snapback] The "kicking" game.
Sound_n_Fury Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 Well, well, well.... Vindication baby!!! 554609[/snapback] Yes...but WHEN did he resign?
The Jokeman Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 What is Haslett's strength Def or Offense? 554882[/snapback] It should be Def since he played LB and was a Def Coordinator in Pittsburgh but but it could be argued he had more talent on Offense in NO.
obie_wan Posted January 5, 2006 Posted January 5, 2006 Well put my mark down in the heretic column as though I agree with folks that Gray's wprk certainly was not productive at all this year, his work in 2003 and in 2004 was quite impressive IMHO. I think he is not the perfect coach as his initial work as DC for GW was not prodyctuve and his work within the madhouse run by TD and MM this year also showed that he does not have the ability to overcome a bad context snd the great ones make their own context. However, Gray impressed me with these specifics: 1. The Bills D under Gray was horrid in 2001 and 2002, but as the team was going through cap hell giving them a mulligan for 2001 (particularly with the injury to Cowart and the dumb contract work of cutting JH and HJ). Gray also deserves to be reamed for his role in buying into or promoting the idea of Robinson having enough left at LB and Jenkins having enough left at safety. I blame GW the most for these assessment errors as the HC who used to coach these guys should have known better if this was Gray's error out of some misplaced loyalty for old teammates, but if this as primarily GW's idea then I actually give Gray a positive mark for managing well with these players who could not cut it. 2. I started becoming impressed with Gray with the 2003 finish of this D in the top 5 statistically in the league. This was clearly driven by the switch to the LeBeau run-blitz scheme from the GW 4-3 scheme which did not work with the Bills not having a Jevon Kearse talent at DE or a Blaine Bishop at SS. Gray impressed me because though I assumed he retained the DC title only so there was no clear demonstration that GW deserved to be fired after his second year (despite the O dragging the team to an 8-8 record after GW's first choice Sheppard got canned). However, Gray demonstrate an ability to master the LeBeau scheme incredibly quickly as he did the day of game playcalling effectively with a totally different D than he was trained in. 3. The again suprising decision to me that LeBeau was gone and Gray got the full reins in 2004, i think really was a tour de force in great work by Gray in 2004. If in fact, the D sucess was all LeBeau' work, I think we would see some real signs of that in 2004 in its production. LeBeau was not going to be around to gameplan each week nor would he be there to make adjustments at halftime to deal with places where he gameplan wa not working. I really expected the statistical production to drop into the top 10 at best without LeBeau here, instead the D performance improved and I think it is not credible to not give Gray some of the credit for this importance or attribute this gain to all to LeBeau (not to mention GW as giving him credit for this D's spotty good performancs is simply silly). Gray showed a great ability to diagnose, design and implement adjustments (the tour de force was the run D adjustment against Miami which shut down Sammy Morris who shredded the team in the first half). Though sometimes the gameplan was not great, he easily balanced this and produced good results with some great midgame adjustments last year. Gray also was very impressive last year with some coverage changes he designed and implemented using the bye week last year and it seemed to be a key part of the greatly improved Bills production in the second half of last season as they started 0-4 but then peeled off a massive winning streak until they ran into LeBeau the master in Pitts in the last game. This brings us back to this year and the piss=poor performance. I have no problem with the Bills moving on to another DC. The key to this league is producion and what have you done for me lately. The D did not produce this year and with that Gray can reasonably be gone. However, to simply declare him incompetent simply strikes me as the usual disppointed whining of hurt fans and ignores the fact that Gray can play a very good role and do great work if the other facets of the team are also working well. The Bills need to right the leadership of state for this team at GM, and with a good GM who is not passive/aggressive scared of getting fired again by an HC he hired I think as in 2003 and 04. Gray has demonstrated he can do th job productively after a bad start. With a good GM, I think he could do the job in 2006. 554827[/snapback] a little bit of talent on the DL wouldn't hurt either. name one other DC in the league who had the luxury of starting 4 high motor white guys with another one in reserve.
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