mikecole1 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I know he has to go, but I was really hopeful he would succeed in Buffalo. Seemed like a classy individual. Damn good marketer but I guess he proved to be a pretty lousy talent evaluator. Not to come off as a flake but RJ over Flutie was his first stupid mistake; Lardass Williams over McKinnie was the next, and misfiring on two head coaches was his third - those three decisions I believe doomed him. GW will be a good HC but TD needed to bring in at least one guy with experience. I guess he was afraid of someone really strongwilled. Any thoughts as we close this chapter? (I'm a newbie poster transplanted in the Carolinas so go easy on me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I know he has to go, but I was really hopeful he would succeed in Buffalo. Seemed like a classy individual. Damn good marketer but I guess he proved to be a pretty lousy talent evaluator. Not to come off as a flake but RJ over Flutie was his first stupid mistake; Lardass Williams over McKinnie was the next, and misfiring on two head coaches was his third - those three decisions I believe doomed him. GW will be a good HC but TD needed to bring in at least one guy with experience. I guess he was afraid of someone really strongwilled. Any thoughts as we close this chapter? (I'm a newbie poster transplanted in the Carolinas so go easy on me) 551537[/snapback] McKinnie hasn't exactly excelled, and there was no right answer with Johnson and FLutie- neither was a long term solution. Trading for Bledsoe was a mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Squeally Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I know he has to go, but I was really hopeful he would succeed in Buffalo. Seemed like a classy individual. Damn good marketer but I guess he proved to be a pretty lousy talent evaluator. Not to come off as a flake but RJ over Flutie was his first stupid mistake; Lardass Williams over McKinnie was the next, and misfiring on two head coaches was his third - those three decisions I believe doomed him. GW will be a good HC but TD needed to bring in at least one guy with experience. I guess he was afraid of someone really strongwilled. Any thoughts as we close this chapter? (I'm a newbie poster transplanted in the Carolinas so go easy on me) 551537[/snapback] I'm sure none of us wanted him to fail. He's had a shot and it didn't work out. Hopefully, the next one will work out better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 TD burned a lot of bridges while he was here. he made hiring mistakes, personnel mistakes, and drafting mistakes. Did he sell all those seats or did the general economic trend of the nfl in the 2000's sell those seats? that's a question for tomorrow. I seriously could write a book on TD's negatives. I'm sure i can write some positives, but it will have to wait for another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 TD burned a lot of bridges while he was here. he made hiring mistakes, personnel mistakes, and drafting mistakes. Did he sell all those seats or did the general economic trend of the nfl in the 2000's sell those seats? that's a question for tomorrow. I seriously could write a book on TD's negatives. I'm sure i can write some positives, but it will have to wait for another day. 551561[/snapback] And PR mistakes. While your average football team isn't a democratic institution, and the front office doesn't have to answer directly to the fans, that doesn't mean that alienating the fan base is a very smart idea either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 i forgot about the PR mistakes... Calling me a jerk deserves to get your @ss fired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 i forgot about the PR mistakes... Calling me a jerk deserves to get your @ss fired! 551572[/snapback] jerky jerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikecole1 Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 McKinnie hasn't exactly excelled, and there was no right answer with Johnson and FLutie- neither was a long term solution. Trading for Bledsoe was a mistake 551546[/snapback] True, neither was a long term solution but Flutie was the short term answer IMO and I think he could have salvaged a few more wins from that 3-13 debacle in 2001. Don't know how many but the little guy did light a fire under the Chargers that season if my memory serves me right. Point is TD was operating uphill from there. I definitely think history shows RJ was clearly the wrong choice, albeit some 20-20 hindsight. Sorry definitely did not to reopen that pandora's box of an argument but I think it would have bought TD some additional time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I know he has to go, but I was really hopeful he would succeed in Buffalo. Seemed like a classy individual. Damn good marketer but I guess he proved to be a pretty lousy talent evaluator. Not to come off as a flake but RJ over Flutie was his first stupid mistake; Lardass Williams over McKinnie was the next, and misfiring on two head coaches was his third - those three decisions I believe doomed him. GW will be a good HC but TD needed to bring in at least one guy with experience. I guess he was afraid of someone really strongwilled. Any thoughts as we close this chapter? (I'm a newbie poster transplanted in the Carolinas so go easy on me) 551537[/snapback] I do find it interesting...Now that TD is gone it seems to have dropped to footnote status around here, while most are sitting on pins and needles waiting for the Mularkey announcement... I for one would have accepted TD back with open arms if it meant getting rid of Mularkey...Though I've thought all along both should be canned... I have a terrible feeling about this MM decision...I think if he escapes with his Job the Bills biggest problem remains...I hope I'm wrong though... MM=Doomed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Mom Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 True, neither was a long term solution but Flutie was the short term answer IMO and I think he could have salvaged a few more wins from that 3-13 debacle in 2001. Don't know how many but the little guy did light a fire under the Chargers that season if my memory serves me right. Point is TD was operating uphill from there. I definitely think history shows RJ was clearly the wrong choice, albeit some 20-20 hindsight. Sorry definitely did not to reopen that pandora's box of an argument but I think it would have bought TD some additional time. 551592[/snapback] Didn't the Chargers go 5-11 that year? Whoop de doo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Mom Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Alienating the fan base by answering fan emails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikecole1 Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 Didn't the Chargers go 5-11 that year? Whoop de doo. 551633[/snapback] Oops, I thought it was better than that. My bad. I liked that too that TD answered those fan emails....seemed like an accountable guy and a hard worker. Just didn't pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 McKinnie hasn't exactly excelled, and there was no right answer with Johnson and FLutie- neither was a long term solution. Trading for Bledsoe was a mistake 551546[/snapback] at the time i was excited about the bledsoe trade,td's mistake was not taking advantage of drews game and building a team around him.he should have spent all his time and energy getting drew a oline and a great tight end.td would still be here if he had done that and we would be in the playoffs right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 True, neither was a long term solution but Flutie was the short term answer IMO and I think he could have salvaged a few more wins from that 3-13 debacle in 2001. Don't know how many but the little guy did light a fire under the Chargers that season if my memory serves me right. Point is TD was operating uphill from there. I definitely think history shows RJ was clearly the wrong choice, albeit some 20-20 hindsight. Sorry definitely did not to reopen that pandora's box of an argument but I think it would have bought TD some additional time. 551592[/snapback] Flutie might have made us mediocre- which would have dropped us in the draft. Now I'm not saying you don't try your best to win games- you always try to win- but not with a stop gap like Flutie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I don't call anyone "classy" who treats fans like they are 'turds'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I don't call anyone "classy" who treats fans like they are 'turds'! 551763[/snapback] But you are a turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I don't call anyone "classy" who treats fans like they are 'turds'! 551763[/snapback] I was at the Patriots game, and the fans in my section were acting like turds- I stood up and cheered as they were thrown out. That was better than anything in the past 5 years....wish they were roughed up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflo83 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Flutie might have made us mediocre- which would have dropped us in the draft. 551748[/snapback] And then we wouldn't have had a pick high enough to draft...Mike Williams!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweet baboo Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 McGahee was another mistake...he picked up a player that couldn't develop or even run his first year if he wanted help at RB, he could've picked a surer commodity in Larry Johnson (a better bet since there was no guarantee that Willis could even return to form) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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