Losman's "attitude" turned off teamates

[Dan III]

not so fast - both moulds and adams played better near the end of the season. maybe mularkey got through to them.

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or maybe their agents told them players in decline with bad attitudes don't get a big signing bonus..

[Kelly the Dog]

Weve always heard JP is cocky. But how "cocky" does one have to be to have the ENTIRE team turn on him, and publicly to boot?

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As far as i can tell, there have been three total players that said publicly that Holcomb is good enough to be an NFL starter. None of the three bashed JP. The question presented to an unknown player or source, from Jerry Sullivan no less, that ended with "Most of them" was "Do you think he is ready to be a starter in this league" or something along those lines. Not is he a punk, does he have a sh------- attitude, etc. There are half the fans on this board that may agree with that, that he is not ready to be a starter. The fans, though, arent answering that question. They're answering the question of, shouldn't he be playing now so you CAN say, later, that he is ready to be a full time starter in this league. Frankly, I have yet to hear any player say anything negative about him.

 

And one report, unsubstantiated, about players want holcomb to be the starter, comes out of another reporter's pen as "the players don't like Losman" like the fukking telephone game in third grade.

[IndyMark]

Most of JP's (lazy, overrated, whiney) teammates haven't won anything in the league either.  I'd love to know why they thought they were in a position to demand anything with regard to the direction the team was taking.  Other than knowing what it takes to come up short, the team as a whole doesn't seem all that informed.

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This is the MVP of this thread. These 'teammates' that are troubled by JP sound more and more like whiny toddlers. Not the NFL players they purport to be.

 

Evidenced by the D's pathetic performance and the record overall, then maybe they are soft. If that is the case, keep JP and cut the rest and start over.

 

Sometimes, the problem is the 'other' people and not the one 'everyone' is talking about.

[MadBuffaloDisease]

Not good news for JP.  If that's his personality then it might just haunt him for his whole career.  I thought he spent every waking moment in the offseason working on becoming a better QB and bonding with his teammates?  Something's weird here.

Actually you're partly right. JP spent all off-season in Buffalo. The problem is, few of his offensive teammates did (Campbell and Euhus were injured so they have an excuse). Evans made it a point to work-out with JP, after finishing some courses at Wisconsin (to get his degree). Moulds never did. So is it any wonder why JP looked so much towards Evans and NOT Moulds? And I still cannot overlook that Dolphins game where he threw 3 TD's in the 1st quarter. That was no fluke.

[Adam]

oh jesus mother of mary. vincent didn't break his leg on purpose. they were playing a little game called football. broken limbs happen all the time. where is this coming from?!?

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You dont know what your talking about- it was a scheme to get more money- Vincent wanted to play quarterback!

[The Quebecer]

Imho, JP is victim to the "Rudy syndrome"!

 

All we heard through training camp (and even before that!) is that he was in B-lo, studying and working at getting better. He worked at being a leader by working harder than anyone else!

Imho, some players were frustrated at him for working so hard! Just like Rudy!

Then came the season, 1st half of 1st game, excellent game plan! Wow JP is on fire! 2nd half of 1st game, no adjustments made by MM & co... that's where it all went down...

After that you could see that JP wasn't placed in position to be successful, not enough runs, too much pass, too much thinking...

Is he at fault? Sure enough! Is he the only one at fault, certainly not!

 

Let JP be who he is, a very hard working, self-confident QB!

[MDH]

There have been quite a few players interviewed where they came right out against JP. You never see that.

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Links please.

[Boatdrinks]

Big difference between being cocky and being a rooster. Troy breaking the kid's leg last year, and Moulds comments this year lead me to believe he is more the second option.

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Very good point. I believe windbag Smerlas made this point in his "by a nose" book. Jimbo was as cocky as they come and vets were a bit turned off by him initially. But he won them over with his play on the field, and they jumped on his wagon. JP did not come close to proving anything about being an NFL caliber starter. Just raised more questions IMHO. Remember, Reich was already on the team 1 year prior to Jimbo, and I don't think there was any question who was the better QB from the first training camp practice.There is definitely a question between JP and Holcomb, and that isn't saying much for JP.

[2003Contenders]

I can trace some of this all the way back to last February when Bledsoe was released. Remember that comment that Drew made at the time in reference to being angry about losing his starting job and having to be a backup to "J.P. in particular" without at least having the opportunity to compete for his job?

 

I think the coaches (or TD or whoever it was) did JP a disservice by "handing him the job" without making him earn it. At least Bledsoe was willing to compete for the job -- and the coaches were unwilling to ask JP to do that. Their train of thought seemed to be that JP needed to be the unquestioned starter going in. The flaw to that logic is imagine how much more confidence the kid would have gained -- and the players around him in him -- if he had genuinely won the job in training camp? And even if he didn't, at least he would have been waiting in the wings if/when Drew stumbled.

 

When the team elected to outright release Bledsoe and hand the job to JP, you can imagine how that may have rubbed some of the players the wrong way, especially the contingency that liked Drew. Even taking Drew out of the mix, JP became an easy scapegoat for the 1-3 start -- and cries to start the veteran Holcomb were inevitable.

 

I guess what I am getting at is that the coaching staff likely muddied JP's water before the season ever started in relation to his comradare with his teammates. Now, a good coach would have disspelled some of that by being very hard on JP in training camp -- maybe to the point where his teammates would want to defend him. Instead, the coaches coddled him like a prima dona -- which may have led to this perception that the other players don't like him.

[Kelly the Dog]

There have been quite a few players interviewed where they came right out against JP. You never see that.

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Name one. Quote one. Link one. I read every bit of Bills stuff i can get my eyes on and have yet to see one player say anything bad about him. I could quote you all kinds of good things they have said about him. Not to mention that he takes blame himself in the press.

[RkFast]

Name one. Quote one. Link one. I read every bit of Bills stuff i can get my eyes on and have yet to see one player say anything bad about him. I could quote you all kinds of good things they have said about him. Not to mention that he takes blame himself in the press.

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http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060...?tbd1062170.asp

 

If they are lobbying FOR Holcomb, they are also lobbying AGAINST Losman. And again, where do you see that.....players openly lobbying to have the backup QB get the nod over a rookie the team KNEW would be starting and would be cutting his teeth during the season? The team, all of them, knew "the plan" before the season began. But by week four, the team came out gainst the kid. And after his comeback, they seemed to have come out against him again (this is my opinion, please dont ask for LINKS). You dont see that in the NFL too often. Something is up in that locker room and it doesnt seem good.

 

Always a !@#$ing fight......or are we reading the same thing differently?

[seq004]

So now it's leaking out that JP Losman "turned-off" his teammates with his attitude.  I guess that gives the defense a free pass for folding like a pack of cards, or for the O-line not to block, or for Willis to mail it in when he didn't feel like playing.

 

The Bears are in the playoffs with a rookie QB that played worse than JP.  The difference is the Bears have a REAL coach, (one TD could have hired, by the way) not one who can't make up his mind without asking his players what they think.

 

At least JP was trying, which is more than the rest of this sorry-a$$ team, that goes double for certain so-called veteran leaders.  Mullarkey has to be fired for creating this cluster***k.

 

PTR

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It's becoming very clear to me that Mularkey does a bad job of handling player issues.

[Kelly the Dog]

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060...?tbd1062170.asp

 

If they are lobbying FOR Holcomb, they are also lobbying AGAINST Losman. And again, where do you see that.....players openly lobbying to have the backup QB get the nod over a rookie the team KNEW would be starting and would be cutting his teeth during the season.

 

Always a !@#$ing fight......or are we reading the same thing differently?

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Exactly as I thought. There is nothing anyone ever said remotely bad about Losman.

 

And just because they said that Holcomb is good enough to start in this league does not mean they hate losman or hate his atiitude whatsoever. The players hate to lose more than they want to win. They could easily think that Holcomb gives them a better chance to win THIS WEEK than Losman does. The guys being quoted, Moulds and Campbell and Fletcher, two of the three may not be here next year. They want to win now. So when asked by a reporter in front of their locker, say Kelly Holcomb is a good player and can start in this league. That's simple to understand. Again, that in no way badmouths Losman other than to say that KH is a better QB today than JP is. I don't think many people argue that at all.

 

Most people here, however, were under one of two impressions: either the defense would be great and the special teams great and the offense just needed to be decent to win a bunch of games (which of course didnt happen) OR play the kid now because the defense isnt great and we arent going anywhere even though Holcomb is a better and smarter QB at this point in both of their careers. But we didnt do either of them. And now we don't have the full year of Losman to prepare us for next year.

[LabattBlue]

I don't care if JP is a complete a$$-hole in the locker room as long as he can play. When he starts producing(or for that matter gets a chance to show he can produce), he will shut up all the naysayers.

 

Does anyone believe for a second that there is a team in pro sports where all the players get along like one big happy family? If so, think again.

[Kelly the Dog]

I don't care if JP is a complete a$$-hole in the locker room as long as he can play.  When he starts producing(or for that matter gets a chance to show he can produce), he will shut up all the naysayers.

 

Does anyone believe for a second that there is a team in pro sports where all the players get along like one big happy family?  If so, think again.

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Sabres?

 

Even the three goalies like each other.

 

But it goes back to your point, which I agree with. Winning changes everything. When JP starts to play well, and help the team win, they will love him.

[RkFast]

Exactly as I thought. There is nothing anyone ever said remotely bad about Losman.

 

And just because they said that Holcomb is good enough to start in this league does not mean they hate losman or hate his atiitude whatsoever. The players hate to lose more than they want to win. They could easily think that Holcomb gives them a better chance to win THIS WEEK than Losman does. The guys being quoted, Moulds and Campbell and Fletcher, two of the three may not be here next year. They want to win now. So when asked by a reporter in front of their locker, say Kelly Holcomb is a good player and can start in this league. That's simple to understand. Again, that in no way badmouths Losman other than to say that KH is a better QB today than JP is. I don't think many people argue that at all.

 

Most people here, however, were under one of two impressions: either the defense would be great and the special teams great and the offense just needed to be decent to win a bunch of games (which of course didnt happen) OR play the kid now because the defense isnt great and we arent going anywhere even though Holcomb is a better and smarter QB at this point in both of their careers. But we didnt do either of them. And now we don't have the full year of Losman to prepare us for next year.

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I repeat:

 

If they are lobbying FOR Holcomb, they are also lobbying AGAINST Losman. And again, where do you see that.....players openly lobbying to have the backup QB get the nod over a rookie the team KNEW would be starting and would be cutting his teeth during the season? The team, all of them, knew "the plan" before the season began. But by week four, the team came out gainst the kid. And after his comeback, they seemed to have come out against him again (this is my opinion, please dont ask for LINKS). You dont see that in the NFL too often. Something is up in that locker room and it doesnt seem good.

 

And Kelly...look what I found!

 

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060...?tbd1062139.asp

 

Losman has started only eight games. He showed progress later in the year, but many of his teammates don't have faith in him. After Sunday's game, one prominent Bill was asked how many players felt Losman wasn't ready.

 

"Try most of them," he said.

 

So we now have Jerry Sullivan and Mark Gaughan making this statement. And despite the geniuses here who think those two are "morons", I think they have a tad more insight into this club and what goes on in the locker room than you or I do. Thank you.

[ajzepp]

I don't care if JP is a complete a$$-hole in the locker room as long as he can play.  When he starts producing(or for that matter gets a chance to show he can produce), he will shut up all the naysayers.

 

Does anyone believe for a second that there is a team in pro sports where all the players get along like one big happy family?  If so, think again.

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Exactly right.....I'm so sick and tired of listening to all the different ways that these rich, spoiled punks can find to complain. DO YOUR DAMN JOBS! JP has a cocky attitude? GOOD! So frickin what?? Does he negotiate your contract? Do you draw your game check from the 'Bank of JP'? NOOOOOOOOOOO......SO STFU, PLAY YOUR BEST, AND QUIT WHINING!!!!

 

Anyway.....I love the fact that JP is a cocky bastard.

[LabattBlue]

Sabres?

 

Even the three goalies like each other.

 

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You would like to believe this about the 05-06 Sabres, but it never came out until after he was released, how badly some players wanted Satan off the team at any cost, so you never really know.

[Kelly the Dog]

I repeat:

 

If they are lobbying FOR Holcomb, they are also lobbying AGAINST Losman. And again, where do you see that.....players openly lobbying to have the backup QB get the nod over a rookie the team KNEW would be starting and would be cutting his teeth during the season? The team, all of them, knew "the plan" before the season began. But by week four, the team came out gainst the kid. And after his comeback, they seemed to have come out against him again (this is my opinion, please dont ask for LINKS). You dont see that in the NFL too often. Something is up in that locker room and it doesnt seem good.

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That is ridiculous logic. If the Sabres players are lobbying through the press to start Ryan Miller over Marty Biron that in NO WAY means they are lobbying against Marty Biron, hate Marty Biron, or don't like his attitiude. They are only saying that they think Ryan Miller gives them a better chance to win this upcoming game than Marty Biron does. They may also think Marty Biron gives them a good chance to win the game, too, just not as good as Ryan Miller.

 

Reporters stick microphones in players faces and ask them questions, trying to get provocative answers out of them. Moulds wants to win now. Holcomb throws him the ball more. He is GOING to say Holcomb should start. Fletcher praises everyone when you listen to him talk. He's a really positive guy. Sure he knows what he is saying and it will get in the papers but he may legitimately feel like winning one game this week would be better for the team as a whole than giving JP the experience. That's a legitimate POV. That in no way whatsoever suggests he doesn't like Losman. He may love Losman as a guy and teammate and think and say the very same thing (I'm not saying he does, but he easily could). You're taking VERY mild quotes in favor of playing Holcomb and twisting them around to agree with wild speculation that the players don't like Losman. But there has been NOTHING said by anyone anywhere at anytime that we have seen that matches that.

[Kelly the Dog]

 

And Kelly...look what I found!

 

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060...?tbd1062139.asp

 

Losman has started only eight games. He showed progress later in the year, but many of his teammates don't have faith in him. After Sunday's game, one prominent Bill was asked how many players felt Losman wasn't ready.

 

"Try most of them," he said.

 

So we now have Jerry Sullivan and Mark Gaughan making this statement. And despite the geniuses here who think those two are "morons", I think they have a tad more insight into this club and what goes on in the locker room than you or I do. Thank you.

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That quote was what started a lot of this, and I already read it this morning. This is what I was referring to earlier. But again. Read what the players actually said. "He is not ready". That doesn't mean they don't like his attitude one iota. That doesn't mean they hate him. That doesn't mean they have totally lost faith in him. It means nothing more whatsoever than we already knew, and always knew, as soon as we traded for KH, through mini-camp, through pre-season, through the first four games, through the whole season. That Kelly Holcomb is a more accomplished and game ready quarterback than JP Losman is. What is so astounding about that?