Mile High Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 You can watch Kiwanuka today as BC faces Boise State in the MPC Computer Bowl at 4:30 today. 544053[/snapback] I don't think that Williams or Kiwanuka get past Detroit or Arizona. I would rather have either one of these two over Nagata due to the fact that it seems like in the NFL a de has a greater impact sooner than a top flight dt. I would like to see TD or whoever the gm is address the dt position via fa. Plus we need the pass rusher opposite of Shobel, which is just gonna make Aaron that much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 it'll be good to watch and scout for our next wide receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zac Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 If we trade down a name to remember is Joe Thomas. He is an OT from Wisconsin, who is very similar to a player on our roster, Jason Peters. He started at Wisconsin as a TE, but shifted over to OT this year and excelled. He has nothing but upside because his 6-8 frame allows him to get a lot bigger then he is now at 307. Plus you always know with Wisconsin players your getting a guy with a ton of determination and a strong work ethic. There is a chance we might be able to trade for him as I see his stock sky rocketing as we get closer to the draft. One catch though is that he is a junior, but a lot of experts expect him to declare. You can watch him in the Capital One Bowl, Monday on ABC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 If we trade down a name to remember is Joe Thomas. He is an OT from Wisconsin, who is very similar to a player on our roster, Jason Peters. He started at Wisconsin as a TE, but shifted over to OT this year and excelled. He has nothing but upside because his 6-8 frame allows him to get a lot bigger then he is now at 307. Plus you always know with Wisconsin players your getting a guy with a ton of determination and a strong work ethic. There is a chance we might be able to trade for him as I see his stock sky rocketing as we get closer to the draft. One catch though is that he is a junior, but a lot of experts expect him to declare. You can watch him in the Capital One Bowl, Monday on ABC. 544096[/snapback] Joe Thomas, eh? I've heard of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zac Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Joe Thomas, eh? I've heard of him. 544124[/snapback] Where do you see him going pick wise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Where do you see him going pick wise? 544132[/snapback] To Buffalo (hoping against hope!!!)???? Seriously, I think that if he declares, he'll probably be another 2nd-3rd round guy. He has a ton of upside, and most teams will notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zac Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 To Buffalo (hoping against hope!!!)???? Seriously, I think that if he declares, he'll probably be another 2nd-3rd round guy. He has a ton of upside, and most teams will notice. 544136[/snapback] http://www.football.com/draft/2006/mccollom_mocks.shtml This guy who really know his stuff has him as the #2 OT in the draft. And if you look at his mock draft..guess who picks him. I also see him as a first rounder but right now in the 15-25 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 http://www.football.com/draft/2006/mccollom_mocks.shtml This guy who really know his stuff has him as the #2 OT in the draft. And if you look at his mock draft..guess who picks him. I also see him as a first rounder but right now in the 15-25 range. 544145[/snapback] I could see it, I guess. Tackles do usually get overvalued (see Alex Barron) and, @ times, get taken higher than they probably should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 I could see it, I guess. Tackles do usually get overvalued (see Alex Barron) and, @ times, get taken higher than they probably should. 544151[/snapback] What's encouraging about that list is some of those guys at the bottom played good football in college and have real ability. This is really a deep year for OT. I see value into the 3rd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 I'm looking at more than a dozen different players as our top pick. Several OL and a few DL. Let's keep an open mind and be realistic in our expectations. 543983[/snapback] Damn you, are you just trying to soften the blow when we pick another GD wide receiver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Damn you, are you just trying to soften the blow when we pick another GD wide receiver? 544187[/snapback] I'd blow my stack if they picked another skill position player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 I'd blow my stack if they picked another skill position player. 544191[/snapback] Perhaps if you kept an open mind about this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 i think ngata is exactly the type of guy that would just set off our entire D i think we can grab SS/MLB and 2 OTs/OGs with the rest of our day 1 picks and end up with 4 players making contributions and making us a better team right away. throw in hutch/bently and a new coaching staff, and we got a team!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted December 29, 2005 Author Share Posted December 29, 2005 You can watch Kiwanuka today as BC faces Boise State in the MPC Computer Bowl at 4:30 today. 544053[/snapback] I watched Kiwanuka (and Watson) last night. I thought he looked as if he was playing at a speed much slower than ever seen in an NFL game. He didn't appear to really be going all out on every play. He only had one solo tackle and one assist, and zero sacks. Now Watson looked much faster than I was expecting. He was making plays from sideline to sideline, and he was the obvious on-field player. But...he didn't start. As soon as he came in though he was chasing the Nebraska QB all over the place. I was impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 I watched Kiwanuka (and Watson) last night. I thought he looked as if he was playing at a speed much slower than ever seen in an NFL game. He didn't appear to really be going all out on every play. He only had one solo tackle and one assist, and zero sacks. Now Watson looked much faster than I was expecting. He was making plays from sideline to sideline, and he was the obvious on-field player. But...he didn't start. As soon as he came in though he was chasing the Nebraska QB all over the place. I was impressed. 544627[/snapback] Wow ! I have the exact OPPOSITE view. Kiwanuka was in the Boise St. backfield all night and showed bigtime hustle. Watson played about half the snaps and was OK. The classic boom or bust type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 "Oregon coach Mike Bellotti calls Ngata the best defensive lineman in college football, "when he's healthy and motivated." " Oh oh.... 543986[/snapback] You can say that again. I don't want a fairweather guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 i'll take a look see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 I don't think that Williams or Kiwanuka get past Detroit or Arizona. I would rather have either one of these two over Nagata due to the fact that it seems like in the NFL a de has a greater impact sooner than a top flight dt. I would like to see TD or whoever the gm is address the dt position via fa. Plus we need the pass rusher opposite of Shobel, which is just gonna make Aaron that much better. 544062[/snapback] Why would 'Zona need a DE when have Bertrard Berry and Chike Okeafor? I could see them going for Ngata though as they're a bit weaker on the inside of the D-line. Though I really suspect they'd take RB DeAngelo Williams unless a QB like Vince Young fell to them. In terms of the Bills, I think they should take the best lineman available and based on their current draft position feel that's going to be OT Eric Winston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Why would 'Zona need a DE when have Bertrard Berry and Chike Okeafor? I could see them going for Ngata though as they're a bit weaker on the inside of the D-line. Though I really suspect they'd take RB DeAngelo Williams unless a QB like Vince Young fell to them. In terms of the Bills, I think they should take the best lineman available and based on their current draft position feel that's going to be OT Eric Winston. 544691[/snapback] Why does Detroit take a top prospect wr every year? Best available, that's why. Since when have we drafted for need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Check out Winston as well when the Canes play LSU. He had a great year last year before his injury. He took some time to get back to his pre-injury level, but is coming along nicely. LSU should be a good test for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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