Buffal0 Bill5 Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 So it's the old argument. Rings equal greatness. By that reasoning Trent Dilfer>Marino or Kelly. Dilfer should be in the HOF. What atravesty that he will not make it! And, before you jump on Me comparing Dilfer to Favre, there is no comparison, but saying Brett singlehandedly won that SB is absurd. He had a really good team that year. If JIm was QBing that team, he has the ring. Both really great qb's. That being said, I hate to see Favre play any more. He still has his flashes of brilliance, but they are becoming fewer all of the time. Retire.
inkman Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 537865[/snapback] I don't see what is wrong saying Brett Favre is better than Jim Kelly, Todd Collins, Doug Flutie, Kelly Holcomb, JP Losman, Rob Johnson, Drew Bledsoe, Billy Joe Hobert, Frank Reich, Travis Brown, Joe Ferguson, and who ever else has played QB in the last 20 years (the amount of time I've been watching the team). Jim was great and all, I just consider him a notch below Brett. As far as saying we would be in contention for the division with Brett, I'll stand by that. He wouldn't have gotten us more than the 150 yards a game we are averaging? Not to mention how much better MacGahee would be without the safeties stacking the line.
nick in* england Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 I don't see what is wrong saying Brett Favre is better than Jim Kelly, Todd Collins, Doug Flutie, Kelly Holcomb, JP Losman, Rob Johnson, Drew Bledsoe, Billy Joe Hobert, Frank Reich, Travis Brown, Joe Ferguson, and who ever else has played QB in the last 20 years (the amount of time I've been watching the team). Jim was great and all, I just consider him a notch below Brett. As far as saying we would be in contention for the division with Brett, I'll stand by that. He wouldn't have gotten us more than the 150 yards a game we are averaging? Not to mention how much better MacGahee would be without the safeties stacking the line. 537986[/snapback] You know this is a BUFFALO BILLS board right?
JDG Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 Take a look at the Packers' IR list sometime.... and imagine what the Bills would look like playing with a similar level of the depth chart.
inkman Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 You know this is a BUFFALO BILLS board right? 538024[/snapback] What am I supposed to do, keep my non-pro Bills to myself?
inkman Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 Take a look at the Packers' IR list sometime.... and imagine what the Bills would look like playing with a similar level of the depth chart. 538039[/snapback] You mean the Bills fifth string RB?
2003Contenders Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 Jim Kelly never threw 24 picks in a season. Heck, he never threw as many as 20. Not beating up on ol number 4, because I really do like him. In fact, I've always seen him and Kelly as very similar QBs. Tough, great in the cold weather. But for as many games as Favre has single-handedly won -- he's also single-handedly lost his share of games too.
JDG Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 Nope, just 3/5 of a hand full of rings. I'd be pretty patient for the rest of my life if we got just one. 537782[/snapback] Having the Super Bowl win definitely gives you a lot of patience. Personally, I don't think that the Patriots fans have any right to whine about their team for approximately the next millenium. But you also have to add in the fact that the Packers' last losing season was 1991, and they have made the playoffs for the last four years in a row, and 10 of the last 12 years - winning 10 playoff games along the way, playing in 2 Super Bowls, and winning one. That, quite, simply is a great and glorious run that every Packers fan should look back upon with fondness. You would HOPE that Packers fans could be patient about a disappointing injury-riddled year after a run like that. JDG
PromoTheRobot Posted December 20, 2005 Author Posted December 20, 2005 Super Bowl Rings: Brett Favre: 1 Jim Kelly: 0 537912[/snapback] Trent Dilfer: 1 Jeff Hostetler: 1 Mark Rypian: 1 ....and your point is? PTR
inkman Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 I don't care about rings. Gimme Favre any day of the week over Kelly, Marino, Manning, Brady or anyone else not named Elway.
Rico Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 That game wasn't so much about Favre as about how the Packers D let Boller look All-World. I don't think we'll see that again for awhile.... Heap was killer, he's been coming on strong lately, looks like he's back for good.
MDH Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 As bad as the Pack are this year they'll still somehow manage to score a few Monday night games next year.
JDG Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 As bad as the Pack are this year they'll still somehow manage to score a few Monday night games next year. 538343[/snapback] 1) Except for the fact that what we have always known as "the Monday night games" will now be on Sunday Nights... 2) If Brett Favre doesn't come back, maybe not. But people tune in to watch Brett Favre. And also, given the absurd level of injuries the Packers have had, the expectation will certainly be for the Packers to be better. JDG
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 Losing a 20-point lead in the 4th Quarter is bad...but so it getting shelled 48-3 by a $hitty Ravens team...on Monday night football! They keep dancing with Favre about whether or not he will retire. Memo to Brett...it's over. You are a first ballot HOF'er, but stop embarressing yourself and hang it up! I do have one question...have you ever heard a Packer fan go off on his team like we go off on the Bills? I never have. They must have the patience of saints up there. PTR 537764[/snapback] Ya they got shelled last night... But, go back and look at the scores of the previous games they played... A lot of those loses are by 7 or less. Week 2: Cleveland 26, Green Bay 24 Week 3: Tampa Bay 17, Green Bay 16 Week 4: Carolina 32, Green Bay 29 Week 5 (WIN): Green Bay 52, New Orleans 3 Week 7: Minnesota 23, Green Bay 20 Week 8: Cincinnati 21, Green Bay 14 Week 11: Minnesota 20, Green Bay 17 Week 12: Philadelphia 19, Green Bay 14 Week 13: Chicago 19, Green Bay 7 (Really a 7-12 game with Farve giving it up (INT for a TD) on what could have been a game winning drive.) Are they really as bad as the Bills? Farve has always been the darling of the league.
MDH Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 2) If Brett Favre doesn't come back, maybe not. But people tune in to watch Brett Favre. JDG 538355[/snapback] TV execs love to believe this stuff but the fact is that people tune in to watch good games between winning teams. Nobody is going to watch a crappy GB team get hammered just because Favre is QBing. As for the injury thing that really didn't matter much. I'd actually argue that the team was better off with Green getting hurt as Gado has done a much better job in replacing him. Green looked absolutely horrid in the first 4 games and was in danger of being benched for Davenport (though Davenport’s injury did hurt them as he looked pretty good). They have had several other injuries as well but they effected the Pack about as much as Buffalo's injuries effected the Bills...i.e. they both would be bottom dwellers even with all of their starters.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 Trent Dilfer: 1Jeff Hostetler: 1 Mark Rypian: 1 ....and your point is? PTR 538074[/snapback] My point is, that no matter how good Kelly was, he could never win it all. he couldn't will his team to victory. He couldn't git 'er done. Farve can and did.
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 My point is, that no matter how good Kelly was, he could never win it all. he couldn't will his team to victory. He couldn't git 'er done. Farve can and did. 538435[/snapback] Once... Against the "Statue" ala "Tuna"... Does that count? Sometimes it is the luck of the draw on who you face in the SB. A lot of should-a, would-a, could-a's.
JDG Posted December 20, 2005 Posted December 20, 2005 TV execs love to believe this stuff but the fact is that people tune in to watch good games between winning teams. Nobody is going to watch a crappy GB team get hammered just because Favre is QBing. Well, the NFL can't schedule Steelers/Colts for every Monday night. But you better believe that Brett Favre gooses the ratings a little bit for the Packers vs. a team with a comparable record. Because its true. And besides, given the Packers' record for the past 15 years, the Packers have been a reasonably safe bet for Monday Night football, because they are almost always respectable. JDG
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