Welcome Back Doug Flutie !

[SouthernMan]

Perhaps that attitude was because he has been underestimated throughout his career, so much so he had to play in the CFL?  Underestimated by fans like... you

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I've never quite understood the knock on Flutie about his attitude. Can you cite some specific examples?

 

Flutie was about as competative as they come. If that's perceived as "having an attitude", well then, I wish some of the current team had a fraction of his attitude.

Attitude is precisely what is lacking in the current team. Apart from Fletcher, Takeo, Losman, and a scant fe others, there seems to be little fire in their hearts.

 

Something else that's often overlooked where Flutie was concerned - he inspired his other teammates to reach their full potential, making the whole team better.

 

Yeah,so... the guy probably has a huge ego. I tend to think that's a driving force with many successful people.

 

Knock Flutie all you want, but the record is indisputable no matter how you try to put your personal spin of dislike on the guy.

[beerme1]

Yay!

Welcome back Doug!

You self important piece of cancer. I like what your doing with your new old team. Way to play your role for a change.

Yay!

[slothrop]

Moron or not, you cannot argue with his record as a Bill. If you were a Bills fan back when he was starting, I guarantee that you rooted for him. The team was a winner when he was the starter, and a loser since he left. He was the first of many poor decisions made by the Bills admistration. I'm not asking you too root against the Bills Sunday, but you should cheer Flutie the way you would any ex-Bill who had accomplishments such as his.

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But he just wins!

 

 

Ugh!

[Moose]

22-9

 

What's the question?

 

 

 

 

 

30-46

 

What's the question?

[bills_fan]

Gawd, I really miss those days. We fans had a successful team that made the playoffs and all we could do is argue about the QB instead of enjoying the ride.

 

We basically jettisoned a Head Coach who was 29-19, clamored for a QB who was 22-9 as a starter (thanks for the stats Scribo) to leave town and did it with a bit of an attitude. Man, were we spoiled from the SB years.

 

We should be so lucky to have those problems now.

[Orton's Arm]

Flutie had a good year in 1998--his rating was 87. In 1999, teams did a better job of defending him, and his rating fell to 75. For comparison, Bledsoe's rating was 86 in 2002, but fell to 73 and 77 in his next two years with the Bills.

 

Now, you say that a QB rating doesn't measure wins, and that's true. It measures the contribution to the win the QB happened to make. If Flutie was piling up the wins in the late 1990s, it was because he was lucky enough to be on a team with a great defense.

[Dawgg]

C'mon HC, You should know better!

 

Granted Flutie was not a dominant QB in his second year and did not play at a Pro Bowl level, he had a knack for winning ballgames. He rarely turned the ball over and most importantly, made plays when they were needed.

 

We haven't had that type of player in Buffalo in quite some time. The recent version of Bills players crumble when they are needed most.

 

Flutie had a good year in 1998--his rating was 87. In 1999, teams did a better job of defending him, and his rating fell to 75. For comparison, Bledsoe's rating was 86 in 2002, but fell to 73 and 77 in his next two years with the Bills.

 

Now, you say that a QB rating doesn't measure wins, and that's true. It measures the contribution to the win the QB happened to make. If Flutie was piling up the wins in the late 1990s, it was because he was lucky enough to be on a team with a great defense.

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[colin]

flutie fans can eat schit.

 

moulds rescued ducks that flutie chucked out and ran them for TDs.

 

at least 3 TDs in 98 came from 5-10 yard passes where eric broke tackles and took it 50+ to the house for a score.

 

thurman was our back up RB, we had all the weapons that bledsoe did when he set all those franchise records, and our D was insane.

 

we had pat williams and wiley as back ups. THEY WERE BACKUPS AND THEY ENDED UP IN THE PROBOWL IN LATER YEARS!!

 

our secondary was solid, and our linebackers would terrorize other teams. we had a strong conservative 3-4 D that just took other teams out of their game plan. we had the best damn D line in football and that's why we won.

 

remember jeff garcia?

 

he did 2 times as much as flutie ever did, but has been exposed for a below average NFL QB. why? because he had good players around him rescuing his ass and has sucked ever since leaving. jeff's fairy ass also showed up and won playoff games.

 

flutie is the same thing, but more overrated and more of an @sshole.

[The Dean]

I can't wait for this Sunday, when the Pats are eventually beating the Bills by a wide enough margin, and Flutie is inserted into the game. He will be a reminder of the last good teams Buffalo had, when they were competitive in each game, and actually made the playoffs. Say what you like about his shortcomings (no pun intended), but after he left, it has all gone downhill for this team. If only Flutie had been chosen over Rob Johnson, the disastrous personnel decisions made after his departure would not have happened.

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Flutie sucked and was a major cancer on the team. I blame him for the demise of the team. Flutie? POS

[Kultarr]

Still talking about Flutie??

[The Jokeman]

Suppose you were among the pro-RJ group. How did that turn out? Maybe I should find some of his stats and post them.

 

Note: Rob Johnson averages the most sacks per dropbacks in the history of the NFL.

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Here's some pro RJ numbers:

 

RJ's Completion percentage of 60.48% (401-663) with Buffalo ranks first in team history

 

He also ranks first in Bills history for lowest interception percentage (2.56)

 

He ranks second in yards per attempt (7.24)

 

And at least RJ can say he guided his team to an apparent game winning drive in a a playoff game against the Titans whereas Dougie literally dropped the ball in his attempt to do so against the Dolphins. Oh and although not with our beloved Bills but RJ does have a Super Bowl ring and Doug's NFL playoff record is actually 0-2.

[Dawgg]

Did you look up sacks taken per pass attempt?

 

That would probably rank worst in team history. Rob Johnson did not know how to throw the ball away in the face of pressure. As a result, he took sacks rather than throw interceptions.

 

And the most important stat? Wins. Look at their win-loss records.

 

 

 

Here's some pro RJ numbers:

 

Completion percentage of 60.48% (401-663) with Buffalo ranks first in team history

 

Also ranks first in Bills history for lowest interception percentage (2.56)

 

and second in yards per attempt (7.24)

 

Though the most important record for both RJ and Doug is they were both 0-1 as Buffalo Bills starting QBs during the playoffs. Of course Doug is 0-2 in his career in the NFL playoffs and RJ does have a Super Bowl Ring.

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[MDH]

Flutie's record as a Bill:

 

8-3 in 1998 -- after a 1-3 start by RJ -- oh, and he made the Pro Bowl

 

10-5 in 1999 -- before being replaced in the first playoff game, which the Bills lost (although it wasn't RJ's fault per se)

 

4-1 in 2000 -- backing up RJ most of the year -- He played in 11 games in 2000 with five starts.

 

That gives him a 22-9 record as a Bill.

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How many points per game did the O put up under Flutie? Giving Flutie credit for the Bills wins is like giving Kyle Orton credit for Chicago's success this year.

[splinter21]

Oh and although not with our beloved Bills but RJ does have a Super Bowl ring and Doug's NFL playoff record is actually 0-2.

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If your gonna use the fact that RJ has a super bowl ring from a team where he didnt have to do anything at all, you are really digging for excuses. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

[The Jokeman]

Did you look up sacks taken per pass attempt? 

 

That would probably rank worst in team history.  Rob Johnson did not know how to throw the ball away in the face of pressure.  As a result, he took sacks rather than throw interceptions.

 

And the most important stat?  Wins.  Look at their win-loss records.

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OKay let's talk wins shall we, everyone seems to forget that back in 1998 that RJ lead us to our first win against San Francisco in Week 3. Then the next week he guided us to a lead over St Louis but was hurt later in the 4th quarter. Yet most everyone tends to forget that Dougie failed to run the clock out and allowed St Louis the ball back and to beat us, much like this weekend, in a last second TD and loss. You can clamor all you want that Dougie was the reason we started to win in 1998 but I happen to think he happened to come in just as the team was starting to come together.

 

Not to mention RJ also lead us to a win over the Colts in 1999 and as this article points out Johnson, who had thrown only two passes and completed just one in one appearance all season, engineered touchdown drives of 83, 80 and 82 yards on Buffalo's first three possessions of the game for a 21-6 halftime lead.

 

The Bills had put together five drives of 80-plus yards all season under Flutie, and never more than one in a single game.

[The Jokeman]

If your gonna use the fact that RJ has a super bowl ring from a team where he didnt have to do anything at all, you are really digging for excuses. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

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and how much has Dougie done this season for the Patriots if they do happen to win a Super Bowl? Less as pretty sure RJ won an ugly game for the Bucs that year when they're playoff chances were still in question.

[Dawgg]

You really are a man of jokes, aren't you Jokeman?

 

Before you gush about that awesome game RJ had, keep in mind one thing: that game was as meangless as they come. The Colts had already clinched the #2 seed in the playoffs and basically sat most of their starting players. RJ did have an awesome game, I will give you that (in fact I was at that game and enjoyed watching it).... but it was a game that meant absolutely nothing.

 

Not to mention RJ also lead us to a win over the Colts in 1999 and as this article points out  Johnson, who had thrown only two passes and completed just one in one appearance all season, engineered touchdown drives of 83, 80 and 82 yards on Buffalo's first three possessions of the game for a 21-6 halftime lead. 

 

The Bills had put together five drives of 80-plus yards all season under Flutie, and never more than one in a single game.

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[Dawgg]

... and where is Rob now? Nowhere to be found!

 

It's pretty pathetic that a highly touted player such as he could no survive in the league and an over the hill player like Flutie is still considered a player worth having. Jon Gruden gave up on RJ. Steve Spurrier gave up on him. Even the Raiders sent him his walking papers.

 

and how much has Dougie done this season for the Patriots if they do happen to win a Super Bowl? Less as pretty sure RJ won an ugly game for the Bucs that year when they're playoff chances were still in question.

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[Dawgg]

One key difference, MDH. Orton has done nothing to win games. Flutie engineered many critical scoring drives that won games. He wasn't pretty, but made plays when they were needed. Comparing him to Orton is a big unfair because Orton is really bad.

 

How many points per game did the O put up under Flutie?  Giving Flutie credit for the Bills wins is like giving Kyle Orton credit for Chicago's success this year.

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[The Jokeman]

You really are a man of jokes, aren't you Jokeman?

 

Before you gush about that awesome game RJ had, keep in mind one thing:  that game was as meangless as they come.  The Colts had already clinched the #2 seed in the playoffs and basically sat most of their starting players.  RJ did have an awesome game, I will give you that (in fact I was at that game and enjoyed watching it).... but it was a game that meant absolutely nothing.

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Yeah it meant mothing to the Colts who as recall were playing for home field advantage throughout the playoffs and also started Peyton Manning and drove 72 yards on 10 plays for a field goal by Mike Vanderjagt and 3-0 lead on their opening drive which tells me they really didn't want to win. But if you really want to argue gushing facts then if it meant absolutely nothing then tell me how much more was the perfect game Dougie had against Seattle worth for the Seahawks?