Simon Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 I'm inclined to think that it is no co-incidence that Moulds may have had a meltdown during the same week that it was reported somewhere that the Bills intended to release him after the season. I think it's very possible that somebody in the Bills admin informed him or his agent that this was the Bills intention, or possibly approached him about a massive paycut. This information somehow got out and was reported by some media outlet, in the meantime Moulds stewed throughout the week when faced with the reailty of unemployment and the fact that his asking price was plummeting as he continues to work in an offense with a 1styear QB and a ravaged OLine. It finally all came to a head on Sunday as he realized that his fate was sealed and his only involvement in teh gameplan was to draw coverages away from teh Bills future at WR; a job that does not tend to make one rich. Another viable theory is that this all happened because I traded for Moulds in my FFL league last week so that I could sport an all-Bills roster for the final game of our FFL regular season next week. The predictable result: When I decide to start Moulds and Bledsoe over Evans and Losman this week, Lee and JP immediately go bananas while Drew puts up chokejob #287 and Moulds loses a 9year long catch streak and draws a suspension for next week.
stuckincincy Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 I'd go for theory #2. I assume cap hit = monies to be paid out or already paid. The late, great, Akili Smith got 10 million bucks for sitting at home, after the B'gals cut him. Why in the world would EM negotiate?
Dan III Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 Another viable theroy is that this all happened because I traded for Moulds in my FFL league last week so that I could sport an all-Bills roster for the final week of the regular season. The predictabel result: When I decide to start Moulds and Bledsoe over Evans and Losman, Lee and JP immediately go bananas while Drew puts up chokejob #287 and Moulds loses a 9year long catch streak and draws a suspension. 523944[/snapback] I have been a Moulds supporter for a long time. I told anyone who would listen why EM would be the best in the NFL, if he had a decent QB & OC. Moulds pitched a fit when we were up 21-0, in the 2nd qtr, against our most hated rival. I can't find a way to defend that...
dave mcbride Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 I'm inclined to think that it is no co-incidence that Moulds may have had a meltdown during the same week that it was reported somewhere that the Bills intended to release him after the season.I think it's very possible that somebody in the Bills admin informed him or his agent that this was the Bills intention, or possibly approached him about a massive paycut. This information somehow got out and was reported by some media outlet, in the meantime Moulds stewed throughout the week when faced with the reailty of unemployment and the fact that his asking price was plummeting as he continues to work in an offense with a 1styear QB and a ravaged OLine. It finally all came to a head on Sunday as he realized that his fate was sealed and his only involvement in teh gameplan was to draw coverages away from teh Bills future at WR; a job that does not tend to make one rich. Another viable theory is that this all happened because I traded for Moulds in my FFL league last week so that I could sport an all-Bills roster for the final game of our FFL regular season next week. The predictable result: When I decide to start Moulds and Bledsoe over Evans and Losman this week, Lee and JP immediately go bananas while Drew puts up chokejob #287 and Moulds loses a 9year long catch streak and draws a suspension for next week. 523944[/snapback] definitely the latter. my friend and i drafted evans and started him until just before he began producing. he's been benched in every game he's produced.
MDH Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 I'm inclined to think that it is no co-incidence that Moulds may have had a meltdown during the same week that it was reported somewhere that the Bills intended to release him after the season.I think it's very possible that somebody in the Bills admin informed him or his agent that this was the Bills intention, or possibly approached him about a massive paycut. This information somehow got out and was reported by some media outlet, in the meantime Moulds stewed throughout the week when faced with the reailty of unemployment and the fact that his asking price was plummeting as he continues to work in an offense with a 1styear QB and a ravaged OLine. It finally all came to a head on Sunday as he realized that his fate was sealed and his only involvement in teh gameplan was to draw coverages away from teh Bills future at WR; a job that does not tend to make one rich. 523944[/snapback] This sounds reasonable, though I'd add that the Bills choking down the stretch helped to infuriate MM enough to want to take drastic action against Moulds. Adams refused to come off the field last year and got benched for the rest of the game. Moulds refusing to go on the field doesn't seem much different but Mularky wants to suspend him? That seems like a pretty big disparity between the two disciplinary actions. The fact that Mularky is getting lambasted by fans and the press for his play calling might have prompted him to look for a scapegoat...and conveniently he has one just sitting there on the sidelines in Moulds.
stevewin Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 Another viable theory is that this all happened because I traded for Moulds in my FFL league last week so that I could sport an all-Bills roster for the final game of our FFL regular season next week. The predictable result: When I decide to start Moulds and Bledsoe over Evans and Losman this week, Lee and JP immediately go bananas while Drew puts up chokejob #287 and Moulds loses a 9year long catch streak and draws a suspension for next week. 523944[/snapback] Not to get this moved to the FF thread - but last week I had a related experience. The final week of our regular season w/ me vying for the last playoff spot - I benched that underperforming Evans guy Managed to squeak in by 3 (year total) fantasy points thank to Bobby Engram's first TD catch of the year on Monday night
Simon Posted December 7, 2005 Author Posted December 7, 2005 Why in the world would EM negotiate? I don't really think he would, as there's likely enough interest around the league to make it a better deal for him to leave than stay. I just think he's really pissed because he's watching himself losing literally millions of dollars and there's not a damned thing he can do about it. He's realizing that he's not going to see the 10million dollars he's due next year, and instead is going ot have to go find a new job, new house, new team and only make half that; a net loss of maybe 5 milion dollars. To make matters worse if the Bills continue to look toward the future by giving their limited downfield shots to the Losman/Evans combo, Moulds may believe that this philosophy is going to cost him even more money, amybe an additional couple million for a grand total of a 7 million dollar net loss. As much as I beleive this is a team sport, watching 7 million dollars walk out of my bank account might have me a little on edge too. Thanks a lot Simon!! Along with the recognition that I would probably subconsciously overvalue them, this kind of seemingly cursed crap is the exact reason I try to avoid having Bills on my roster. Except for the last week of a FFL season in which I'm no longer in contention when I endeavour to have about 8 of them so that I may go out in style. Adams refused to come off the field last year and got benched for the rest of the game. Moulds refusing to go on the field doesn't seem much different but Mularky wants to suspend him? I've got to believe that's there's a lot more subtext here than just what went on Sunday afternoon. Mularkey doesn't strike me as an overreactive guy by any means and I'd bet that things have happened before that and since then that have exacerbated the situation. Managed to squeak in by 3 (year total) fantasy points thank to Bobby Engram's first TD catch of the year on Monday night When you find yourself in trouble, always look to a Nittany Lion!!!!! (Not to get this moved to the college football board)
Dawgg Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 There is no way he felt he would get that money. Either a release or renegotiation was inevitable... I think his problem may stem from the fact that the Bills leaked it to the press, then followed it up with making him a bystander in that week's gameplan. Watching 7 million dollars walk out of my bank account might have me a little on edge too. 524013[/snapback]
stuckincincy Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 I don't really think he would, as there's likely enough interest around the league to make it a better deal for him to leave than stay. I just think he's really pissed because he's watching himself losing literally millions of dollars and there's not a damned thing he can do about it.He's realizing that he's not going to see the 10million dollars he's due next year, and instead is going ot have to go find a new job, new house, new team and only make half that; a net loss of maybe 5 milion dollars. To make matters worse if the Bills continue to look toward the future by giving their limited downfield shots to the Losman/Evans combo, Moulds may believe that this philosophy is going to cost him even more money, amybe an additional couple million for a grand total of a 7 million dollar net loss. As much as I beleive this is a team sport, watching 7 million dollars walk out of my bank account might have me a little on edge too. 524013[/snapback] Ah, I see. I think. So it is possible to have a cap hit of say 10 million, yet not actually pay that 10 million? You say he is due it...if he's due it, how can he not get it? I admit to being naive here.
Simon Posted December 7, 2005 Author Posted December 7, 2005 So it is possible to have a cap hit of say 10 million, yet not actually pay that 10 million? You say he is due it...if he's due it, how can he not get it? I admit to being naive here. I'm not good at this stuff either. I'm just thinking that when they renegotiated they gave him a big bonus and then backloaded the last 1-2 year(s) of his deal with outrageous salaries. So maybe next year he is due 1-2 million of his remaining amortized bonus and then 8-9 million in salary? Somebody else would hve to step in here because I'm just using these numbers as general guesswork. There is no way he felt he would get that money. Either a release or renegotiation was inevitable You and I recognize that, but I continue to be amazed at what fairy tales that a player (with the help of a self-interested agent) can actually convince himself of.
Bill from NYC Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 He's realizing that he's not going to see the 10million dollars he's due next year, and instead is going ot have to go find a new job, new house, new team and only make half that; a net loss of maybe 5 milion dollars. 524013[/snapback] Simon, with ALL due respect, much of the 10 million that you cited (actually, I think that clumpy said it was 10.8) was already received by Moulds. If he is cut, his pro-rated bonus will accelerate and count toward the 06 cap, and the Bills will be relieved of his 06 salary. We totally need clumpy to do the numbers (Mark may also know them), but what I AM sure of is that EM would not be paid 10 mil to remain on the team. I seem to recall clumpy saying that the Bills would save 5.8 million by cutting him, but my memory is cloudy. Imo, he will be cut and signed by another team. This incident will certainly not help his bargaining position by any means, but he will find a job. The whole thing is ridiculous. Eric is not a kid. He should hav really known that it was a stupid move to get too chesty, ya know?
MDH Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 Simon, with ALL due respect, much of the 10 million that you cited (actually, I think that clumpy said it was 10.8) was already received by Moulds. If he is cut, his pro-rated bonus will accelerate and count toward the 06 cap, and the Bills will be relieved of his 06 salary. We totally need clumpy to do the numbers (Mark may also know them), but what I AM sure of is that EM would not be paid 10 mil to remain on the team. I seem to recall clumpy saying that the Bills would save 5.8 million by cutting him, but my memory is cloudy. Imo, he will be cut and signed by another team. This incident will certainly not help his bargaining position by any means, but he will find a job. The whole thing is ridiculous. Eric is not a kid. He should hav really known that it was a stupid move to get too chesty, ya know? 524047[/snapback] I think you'r correct that Moulds has already received much of the cash. In addition he'll get a signing bonus with his new team, combine that with whatever salary he agrees to next year and I'm guessing he's not going to lose much, if any, money.
smokinandjokin Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 He should hav really known that it was a stupid move to get too chesty, ya know? 524047[/snapback] Leave Chesty Sinclair outta this
GG Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 If you guys look at the previous threads, EM would count about $11 mil towards the cap, but of that amount, he was to receive at least $7 mil in salary & bonuses. If he's cut in March, Bills don't owe him any $$, but he'll have a $4 mil dead weight cap hit.
Bill from NYC Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 If you guys look at the previous threads, EM would count about $11 mil towards the cap, but of that amount, he was to receive at least $7 mil in salary & bonuses. If he's cut in March, Bills don't owe him any $$, but he'll have a $4 mil dead weight cap hit. 524103[/snapback] So are you saying that the Bills would save 3 million toward the cap by cutting him before 3/1/06? Also, as I recall his contract runs through 07. The pro-rated bonus would already be factored into the 07 cap if this is true. Which would you prefer in 06/07, the cap relief or Eric Moulds?
GG Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 So are you saying that the Bills would save 3 million toward the cap by cutting him before 3/1/06? Also, as I recall his contract runs through 07. The pro-rated bonus would already be factored into the 07 cap if this is true. Which would you prefer in 06/07, the cap relief or Eric Moulds? 524117[/snapback] The other way around. Bills would save the difference between $11mill and whatever unamortized bonus Moulds has remaining on his contract. I think that the cap savings is north of $6 mil.
Bill from NYC Posted December 7, 2005 Posted December 7, 2005 The other way around. Bills would save the difference between $11mill and whatever unamortized bonus Moulds has remaining on his contract. I think that the cap savings is north of $6 mil. 524137[/snapback] Gotcha, thanks. Which way would you like to see this go?
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