State of Current Bills Inevitable/Necessary

[K-9]

The current turmoil and veteran consternation on this team is actually going to be a blessing in the long run, much like the same problems that occurred when Kelly & Co. came aboard in '86. It's essential for the growth and maturation of the younger, key players who can't otherwise excersize their leadership in the face of the entrenched veteran leadership that doesn't want to let go.

 

Many may remember the mid-eighties when the veteran leadership, notably Devlin, Jones, Smerlas, etc. really butted heads with the young turks that came aboard in that era. It didn't take Marv long to realize who that was and how essential it was to rid the team of that negative influence. Many on the team thought Kelly was a cocky SOB (sound familiar) who didn't know his place i.e. show the proper respect for those that had been around awhile. It' just a natural part of a team's evolution. It's only natural for those who've been around awhile to resent new arrivals when they try to assert their leadership in the locker room. That's what's happening now. And the players who resent it the most are going to cause division in the locker room, question the coaches, and quit on the team. We saw it then and we're seeing it now.

 

Thanks for your service guys, but it's not your team anymore. It's simply time for you to go. Good luck to you. Here's hoping you can find new starts on other teams.

 

Go Bills!!!

[Albany,n.y.]

Same goes for Mike "Bullough" Mularkey. The young guys got rid of Hank too, before Marv took over after the loss in Tampa.

[Fake-Fat Sunny]

The current turmoil and veteran consternation on this team is actually going to be a blessing in the long run, much like the same problems that occurred when Kelly & Co. came aboard in '86. It's essential for the growth and maturation of the younger, key players who can't otherwise excersize their leadership in the face of the entrenched veteran leadership that doesn't want to let go.

 

Many may remember the mid-eighties when the veteran leadership, notably Devlin, Jones, Smerlas, etc. really butted heads with the young turks that came aboard in that era. It didn't take Marv long to realize who that was and how essential it was to rid the team of that negative influence. Many on the team thought Kelly was a cocky SOB (sound familiar) who didn't know his place i.e. show the proper respect for those that had been around awhile. It' just a natural part of a team's evolution. It's only natural for those who've been around awhile to resent new arrivals when they try to assert their leadership in the locker room. That's what's happening now. And the players who resent it the most are going to cause division in the locker room, question the coaches, and quit on the team. We saw it then and we're seeing it now.

 

Thanks for your service guys, but it's not your team anymore. It's simply time for you to go. Good luck to you. Here's hoping you can find new starts on other teams.

 

Go Bills!!!

523578[/snapback]

 

 

The only problem here is that in 1986 and on the old guard that was wrong and were primarily at fault for the problems the team had. Unfortunately, in this case, a team which TD built to be led by the old guard and transition into a new guard has not achieved due to some bad play by the newest of the new guard (JP) and bad game ions by tne new braintrust (MM,TC).

 

You are correct that transition is a natural thing that will happen one way or the other whether you want it to not. However, it is relevant and it is TD/MM's job to set that transition up so that the change is from good (though still inadequate since we did not make the playoffs last year) to better. Instead, this team under our HC has gone from good to putrid.

 

The key question is whether this transition could have been done better with these players. Unfortunately, it is looking like the answer to this question is yes.

 

The problem appears to be that the main failing of this team was not the old guard bitterly hanging on when better players were available, but team management really failing to manage this transistion well.

 

As best as I can tell, the old guard still had a bit more in them than this management got out of them and this management also has failed to get adequate production out of the new guard.

[Grant]

Last year people were saying the Bills were like the 1988 team, just a year shy of really turning the gears on.

 

Why do they keep going futher back in time? Because the team is regressing.

[K-9]

Last year people were saying the Bills were like the 1988 team, just a year shy of really turning the gears on.

 

Why do they keep going futher back in time? Because the team is regressing.

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I only go back in time to show that these things are always cyclical not because the team is regressing. And because their are many similarities to the young QB situation we have now. Although, as you pointed out, the '89 team did regress compared to '88.

 

I could show you the same examples by going back to 1972 and 1980. And that's only on our team. EVERY NFL team experiences this business organization phenomenom over time.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[K-9]

The only problem here is that in 1986 and on the old guard that was wrong and were primarily at fault for the problems the team had. Unfortunately, in this case, a team which TD built to be led by the old guard and transition into a new guard has not achieved due to some bad play by the newest of the new guard (JP) and bad game ions by tne new braintrust (MM,TC).

 

You are correct that transition is a natural thing that will happen one way or the other whether you want it to not. However, it is relevant and it is TD/MM's job to set that transition up so that the change is from good (though still inadequate since we did not make the playoffs last year) to better. Instead, this team under our HC has gone from good to putrid.

 

The key question is whether this transition could have been done better with these players. Unfortunately, it is looking like the answer to this question is yes.

 

The problem appears to be that the main failing of this team was not the old guard bitterly hanging on when better players were available, but team management really failing to manage this transistion well.

 

As best as I can tell, the old guard still had a bit more in them than this management got out of them and this management also has failed to get adequate production out of the new guard.

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I think that's the oranizational dilemma, F-FS: the new guard won't be able to maximize production in the face of a resentful old guard. The new guard represents our three most valuable offensive weapons in JP, LE, and WM. The most vocal and devisive of the old regard resides on that side of the ball interestingly enough.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[JDG]

Unfortunately, in this case, a team which TD built to be led by the old guard and transition into a new guard has not achieved due to some bad play by the newest of the new guard (JP) and bad game ions by tne new braintrust (MM,TC).

 

Built to be led by the old guard???? There's only one person left on this team from the year 2000 roster!

 

JDG

[dave mcbride]

The current turmoil and veteran consternation on this team is actually going to be a blessing in the long run, much like the same problems that occurred when Kelly & Co. came aboard in '86. It's essential for the growth and maturation of the younger, key players who can't otherwise excersize their leadership in the face of the entrenched veteran leadership that doesn't want to let go.

 

Many may remember the mid-eighties when the veteran leadership, notably Devlin, Jones, Smerlas, etc. really butted heads with the young turks that came aboard in that era. It didn't take Marv long to realize who that was and how essential it was to rid the team of that negative influence. Many on the team thought Kelly was a cocky SOB (sound familiar) who didn't know his place i.e. show the proper respect for those that had been around awhile. It' just a natural part of a team's evolution. It's only natural for those who've been around awhile to resent new arrivals when they try to assert their leadership in the locker room. That's what's happening now. And the players who resent it the most are going to cause division in the locker room, question the coaches, and quit on the team. We saw it then and we're seeing it now.

 

Thanks for your service guys, but it's not your team anymore. It's simply time for you to go. Good luck to you. Here's hoping you can find new starts on other teams.

 

Go Bills!!!

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how about all the vets eased out after chuck knox era? we did real well the next few years, as i recall. there's a wrong way to push guys out too, you know ...