ExiledInIllinois Posted December 8, 2005 Posted December 8, 2005 What does any of this have to do with being a good parent? We eat preprepared meals , so what? Somehow I should eat mine or my wifes bad cooking and that will makei us better parents. Spose all the sugared up kool aid was better for you? Having said that, my kids do not get soda except for certain occasions Should I also make them watch a B&W TV with three channels. Got news for you, your parents had the same debate this board is having. Amazing to me how many friggen parents of the year we have here. This is like the discussion of bad drivers, everybody bitches about them, but nobody claims to be one. 523313[/snapback] So true... Every generation since time began has had this debate. A while back I pointed out a book that talks about this. And you know what? They all thought their kids were going to hell in a handbasket.
stuckincincy Posted December 8, 2005 Author Posted December 8, 2005 No, I believe you are missing the point. But that is not shocking. 524407[/snapback] No, I suppose not.
Mark VI Posted December 8, 2005 Posted December 8, 2005 I think we all need group therapy with our children. We need to get in touch with their feelings. Responsibility...pssst...pass it on....
IndyMark Posted December 8, 2005 Posted December 8, 2005 My child never screamed in public, nor would my response be anything audible to anyone else so I'm not sure why you responded to my particular post. Ignoring it in a public place is what reinforces that it's acceptable behavior. 524501[/snapback] I responded to your post because you stated something in the line of "...pressing on while your child is throwing a tantrum.....is part of the problem". And you support that contention with the last line of the above quote. I respectfully disagree. Responding to a child's tantrum gets them what they want and that is attention. Ignoring a tantrum is a viable option. Maybe NOT everywhere (a fine dining establishment), but in a public place like a mall or store is perfectly acceptable. If we keep up the dialogue I am sure we would agree more than disagree.
plenzmd1 Posted December 8, 2005 Posted December 8, 2005 524511[/snapback] If you want to feed your kids poison, that's certainly your decision. Just don't be surprised when they have behavioral problems down the road. So now you are blaming behavorial problems on rotisserie chicken?Is it food or parenting thats to blame I doubt you know my parents but I can assure you that I watched far less television than the kids I was raised around and SIGNIFICANTLY less than the average kid does today. My parents gave us books to read and WE LIKED IT. I actually do it for pleasure today. Weird, huh? Kinda like you are gunna eat this vegtable and LIKE IT I grew up in farm country and we had a large garden. Yep, got a great chance to that here in great suburbia. How many people subsisted on mostly home grown food in the generation you so love. Of course, he did graduate from high school in the top 10% of his class, has never been in any significant trouble, and is doing well working his way through his sophomore year of college while paying for his own apartment Now see, I think this great, but it is what also drives me nuts about this board sometimes. Everybody here has kids that we all would die to have, and every child is perfectly behaved, and every family is the freakin Waltons. Ya know, I just do not buy it. Just like everybody talks about getting spanked as a kid. You were getting spanked because you wre MIS BEHAVING. Now as I say that, my boy has been swatted a few times on the behind by both me and my wife, and will continue until he gets his fool head on str8 Now when it comes to public places, the boy is no gem. But I have taken him out of the restuarant and str8 home to bed on two occasions, and we seem to be understanding manners and behavior expectations a little better!!!!
Alaska Darin Posted December 8, 2005 Posted December 8, 2005 I do believe that the things kids eat today do contribute to the way they behave. I don't think it's the only factor, of course. People today seem to be far more likely than in past generations to take the easy way out, regardless of the subject and parenting certainly qualifies. Now see, I think this great, but it is what also drives me nuts about this board sometimes. Everybody here has kids that we all would die to have, and every child is perfectly behaved, and every family is the freakin Waltons. Ya know, I just do not buy it. Never said that. In fact, if we had this conversation when my kid was 12 the odds were probably better than he wouldn't see 13. He still didn't act up in public when his parents were around, though. The home dinner table was another matter altogether. Just like everybody talks about getting spanked as a kid. You were getting spanked because you wre MIS BEHAVING. Now as I say that, my boy has been swatted a few times on the behind by both me and my wife, and will continue until he gets his fool head on str8 Therein lies the difference with much of society today. My parents were far more proactive than their counterparts today seem to be. Now when it comes to public places, the boy is no gem. But I have taken him out of the restuarant and str8 home to bed on two occasions, and we seem to be understanding manners and behavior expectations a little better!!!! 525025[/snapback] I don't have the expectation that children won't misbehave. I do have the expectation that their parents will actually do something about it in a timely manner. That's pretty much my gripe.
Alaska Darin Posted December 8, 2005 Posted December 8, 2005 If we keep up the dialogue I am sure we would agree more than disagree. 525006[/snapback] I don't doubt that. We'll agree to disagree on whether it's acceptable to allow your child to throw a tantrum. Not something I'd ever do. The thing I always tried to do as a parent is be consistant - that ensured that my kid (and his friends) knew the consequences of his actions BEFORE he tried pulling his crap.
IDBillzFan Posted December 8, 2005 Posted December 8, 2005 Stunning thread. All I can say is my father was notorious for his beatings. Bloodshot eyes would stare you down as he'd throw you in the corner and beat you insanely with the buckle end of a leather belt you made in shop class, all while singing individual lines of Ring Around The Rosey with every single swing of the belt. If it wasn't the buckle, you were getting thrown over a sofa and onto a coffee table, or down a flight of stairs, or simply up against the wall repeatedly. By the time he got to "Ashes, ashes, we all fall down," you could barely feel anything anymore. And look at me. A perfectly well-adjusted person, you muther!@#$in douchebags.
X. Benedict Posted December 8, 2005 Posted December 8, 2005 Stunning thread. All I can say is my father was notorious for his beatings. Bloodshot eyes would stare you down as he'd throw you in the corner and beat you insanely with the buckle end of a leather belt you made in shop class, all while singing individual lines of Ring Around The Rosey with every single swing of the belt. If it wasn't the buckle, you were getting thrown over a sofa and onto a coffee table, or down a flight of stairs, or simply up against the wall repeatedly. By the time he got to "Ashes, ashes, we all fall down," you could barely feel anything anymore. And look at me. A perfectly well-adjusted person, you muther!@#$in douchebags. 525572[/snapback] It is what has made you the people person you are today. I could say what my Father did to me, but he got me hooked on this forum in the firstplace.....
The Dean Posted December 8, 2005 Posted December 8, 2005 It is what has made you the people person you are today. I could say what my Father did to me, but he got me hooked on this forum in the firstplace..... 525576[/snapback] THAT BASTARD! You have a good case if you want to sue for abuse.
X. Benedict Posted December 8, 2005 Posted December 8, 2005 THAT BASTARD! You have a good case if you want to sue for abuse. 525578[/snapback] Hear that Dad, you're a Bastard!!!
JoeF Posted December 9, 2005 Posted December 9, 2005 Stunning thread. All I can say is my father was notorious for his beatings. Bloodshot eyes would stare you down as he'd throw you in the corner and beat you insanely with the buckle end of a leather belt you made in shop class, all while singing individual lines of Ring Around The Rosey with every single swing of the belt. If it wasn't the buckle, you were getting thrown over a sofa and onto a coffee table, or down a flight of stairs, or simply up against the wall repeatedly. By the time he got to "Ashes, ashes, we all fall down," you could barely feel anything anymore. And look at me. A perfectly well-adjusted person, you muther!@#$in douchebags. 525572[/snapback] Your dad sounds like Sister Mary Battleaxe of Our Lady of Perpetual Kid Torture in NT...The nuns at school always took care of dad's dirty work for him in our family...he actually felt sorry for us some days...
rockpile Posted December 9, 2005 Posted December 9, 2005 And look at me. A perfectly well-adjusted person, you muther!@#$in douchebags. 525572[/snapback] with a nice avatar too !
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 9, 2005 Posted December 9, 2005 Those silly liberals... 522572[/snapback] Plenty of "conservatives" out there whose kids are spoiled and have total control, Cincy. I don't think this has anything to do with politics, and it has everything to do with teaching kids respect and discipline.
plenzmd1 Posted December 9, 2005 Posted December 9, 2005 Plenty of "conservatives" out there whose kids are spoiled and have total control, Cincy. I don't think this has anything to do with politics, and it has everything to do with teaching kids respect and discipline. 526015[/snapback] I don't have the expectation that children won't misbehave. I do have the expectation that their parents will actually do something about it in a timely manner. That's pretty much my gripe. Ahh, this I totally agree with. But whats funny is living in Richmond, I see much less of the wild kid syndrome so to speak. Dam, almost all my kids friends address adults as Mr or MRS, as my kids must do. They always repond to a question with either a yes sir or a no maam, and I see several kids yanked for casual restuarants , including mine, for being total pain the asses. Now, also I must say my wife and I try to go out at least once on the weekend without kids, and I really cannot recall seeing kids in the nicer restauarnts. Maybe its a southern thing!!!!! BTW, on the original subject, I am all for that dude, and that said as a parent of a four year old and six year old
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 9, 2005 Posted December 9, 2005 I agree with that too but I also hold the leftist PC accountable for ruining schools too. All that crap "nobody wins- everybody is a winner- competition is bad....etc"....fuggin crap- that is ruining our children. Our schools are a bunch of enablers. Kid cant read- lets promote him. Its not his fault- he must be dsylexic. Kid wont behave in class- lets put him on Ritalin instead of the teacher controlling the class. Its fuggin sickening. Kids have a swift kick of reality kicking them in their naive undereducated asses [personification] when they hit the real world! BTW I am not a parent but I work with highschool and college kids. I see and hear everything. Most kids have warped values. I could tell you some storys.... 522993[/snapback] Looks like you skipped grammer [sic] class...
KD in CA Posted December 9, 2005 Posted December 9, 2005 I respectfully disagree. Responding to a child's tantrum gets them what they want and that is attention. Ignoring a tantrum is a viable option. Maybe NOT everywhere (a fine dining establishment), but in a public place like a mall or store is perfectly acceptable. Speaking on behalf of all the other people in the store, in our view ignoring a public tantrum from your child isn't a perfectly acceptable option.
IndyMark Posted December 9, 2005 Posted December 9, 2005 Speaking on behalf of all the other people in the store, in our view ignoring a public tantrum from your child isn't a perfectly acceptable option. 526046[/snapback] Why is it that the "counter views" use words like "all", "everyone", etc? Help me understand that? Generalizations weaken arguments. Moreover, I said an OPTION. I actually do not use that OPTION, but it is one and is probably better than the "other side" chooses which is to grab the childs arm, give the death glare because they are embarrassed by a two year olds normal emotions and use a death squeeze and threat to the child to "shut up or else". Is that what you "all" would like to see? No thanks; there are better solutions than the typical white trash, uneducated, lacking confidence, "blue collar proud" parenting options that was acceptable in the 50's. Oh I know, but you "all" turned out all right. Yes, evidence of that is found in the great socially progressive, always looking ahead, corporate and family destination known as WNY. Where those "core parenting skills" of "spank till it hurts" worked so well. Kudos!
The Dean Posted December 9, 2005 Posted December 9, 2005 Generalizations weaken arguments. 526258[/snapback] Always?
stuckincincy Posted December 9, 2005 Author Posted December 9, 2005 Plenty of "conservatives" out there whose kids are spoiled and have total control, Cincy. I don't think this has anything to do with politics, and it has everything to do with teaching kids respect and discipline. 526015[/snapback] Should I have used two 's...????
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