Roscoe Parrish

[Peter]

Is intelligence what you call completely changing the topic of this thread? I'm commenting on what I see in a player the Bills drafted, are people allowed do that anymore without having to give a list of 20 alternatives less then a year after the draft? I just don't see him making an impact, if you do explain why, if not save your opinion on what is or isn't intelligent thread oh holy one.

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I think that Roscoe was a great value pick. We shall see whether I am right about him. So far, for the brief time that he has been back from his injury while still playing with a cast, he has shown enough for me to have hope for him.

 

As the other poster demonstrated, there were no quick fixes at the o-line when we picked Roscoe. Don't blame Roscoe for that.

[Mikie2times]

I think that Roscoe was a great value pick.  We shall see whether I am right about him.  So far, for the brief time that he has been back from his injury while still playing with a cast, he has shown enough for me to have hope for him.

 

As the other poster demonstrated, there were no quick fixes at the o-line when we picked Roscoe.  Don't blame Roscoe for that.

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I don’t, in fact I didn't even look into who was available after Roscoe. Just commenting on how I perceived his play so far.

[BADOLBILZ]

I think that Roscoe was a great value pick.  We shall see whether I am right about him.  So far, for the brief time that he has been back from his injury while still playing with a cast, he has shown enough for me to have hope for him.

 

As the other poster demonstrated, there were no quick fixes at the o-line when we picked Roscoe.  Don't blame Roscoe for that.

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Indeed, we shall see. Unlike Mike Williams though, if Roscoe doesn't turn out to at least be a good complement to Evans, folks won't be able to say "all the experts had Roscoe rated that high" because they did not. One guy who was rated that high was Chris Henry, a 6'4" guy with 4.4 speed and the physical ability to be a #1 or at least a #2.

[BigAL]

I was critical of the Roscoe pick because he really isn't THAT special.  Yes, he's quick and fast, but to be a anything more than a situational guy at this level and at HIS size, you need to be Steve Smith fast and quick.  He's not that.  He didn't even dominate at the college level.

 

  I think you are not the only one somewhat underwhelmed by his skills, he looks positively slow compared to McGee, slower than Clements and has less balance and is much easier to tackle than McGee, Clements or Smith.  For most other teams he'd be the clear cut best return man, but here he kind of looks like a step down.

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I couldn't agree more. The first time I saw him return a punt, I thought "is that it". He does not seem particularly fast to me. I like him, but I doubt his career in the league will be much longer than 3 years. He's gonna get nailed by some 270 lb special teams guy going full speed, and it'll be career over.

[34-78-83]

For me personally, when I said I would have prefered a trenches guy , I did not exclude guys who play on the defensive side of the ball.

[Sound_n_Fury]

For me personally, when I said I would have prefered a trenches guy , I did not exclude guys who play on the defensive side of the ball. 

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So are you saying Babineaux or Tuck would've been a better pick...they were the only two DL picked between Roscoe and Kevin Everett?

[34-78-83]

So are you saying Babineaux or Tuck would've been a better pick...they were the only two DL picked between Roscoe and Kevin Everett?

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I like Roscoe. I just don't necessarily subscribe to the draft philosophy they used. And I do like Babineaux, but that's hindsight.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Yet another instance of drafting "best available" biting us in the ass.

[NYGPopgun10]

Give Roscoe a chance. He didn't start the season healthy and is working his way back in a complex situation. He's not going to set the world on fire. But he can be a decent third receiver who gives you that slot option. He's got great speed and moves.

[Mikie2times]

First let me say that I made a pretty bold statement about Roscoe Parrish in the NFL. I don't like to judge draft picks early, but what I'm discussing is directly involved with Roscoe’s ability to succeed in the NFL. At his size if he doesn’t have elite explosiveness then he might not be able to cut in this league.

 

Roscoe starts and stops quickly, and makes quick cuts, but never reaches the top end speed to make him a serious threat. On one of his returns today a Miami LB literally chased him down. I mean I expected a Terrance MaGee like player with some offensive skills, what we have is a smaller, slower, version with an uncanny ability of letting the turf make the tackle.

 

One more thing I didn’t like hearing was a casual joke by the announcers about Roscoe’s experience in cold weather. It may sound funny but does he have any idea just how bad it can get in Buffalo? I lived in Michigan my whole life and the cold still bites me in the ass, and Buffalo gets it even worse.

[Peter]

Yet another instance of drafting "best available" biting us in the ass.

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Best available is much better than reaching.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Best available is much better than reaching.

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Is it?

 

Sometimes, well...most of the time when it comes to the bills, I think best available isn't "best" at all.

[Mikie2times]

I missed his great practices, but so far he hasn't run a circle around anyone in a game and I don't know about his toughness.  I do know that he will have a hard time holding up in the NFL.  You don't see a whole lot of broken wrist injuries in the NFL, in part because most guys have big strong arms and hands.  There are Jills with bigger forearms than Roscoe.  He also got injured on his muffed punt.  It was probably just a loser's limp, and not anything serious, but you never know.

 

Roscoe's going to make some plays when healthy, but I think he has no chance to become a good #1 or a #2 receiver, and long term it's probably not the soundest approach to use early draft picks on situational players.  People joke about using a top pick on a WR, but when Moulds and Reed are gone, Lee Evans is going to be teamed up with Roscoe Parrish and Sam Achin'.  That ain't too impressive.  Draft or not, they ought to be in the market for a #2.

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Good Post

[jarthur31]

In 95% of the cases you can't get an accurate read on a draft pick until 3 years after the draft, but for some reason I'm very concerned about Roscoe. We all knew the guy could hide behind Lindsey Lohan in a bikini, but we were told about his lightning moves all camp. I at least gave him the benefit of the doubt because some players, no matter how small just might have it.

 

My question is where is the speed, where is the elusiveness? I'm seeing an undersized rag doll being chased down by LB's. Can his cast be throwing his speed off by that much? Personally I don't think he is in the same ball park with MaGee in terms of explosion, and with his size that’s what I was expecting. We need to send old Roscoe to Beebe’s speed camp.

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It took Moulds, Price, Andre Reed, et al, years to learn the position. How are you really shocked by his development? I'm not. This is like expecting JP to win the MVP this freakin year!!!

[Mikie2times]

It took Moulds, Price, Andre Reed, et al, years to learn the position.  How are you really shocked by his development?  I'm not.  This is like expecting JP to win the MVP this freakin year!!!   

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How does development influence the speed, acceleration, and agility of a WR? Those things may increase slightly but I doubt he got neglected in training when he played at the U. All the players you listed showed the raw ability that just needed to benefit from experience. IMO Roscoe doesn't look like he has the raw ability to make up for his size, so the benefit of experience won't really matter as much as it did for Reed, Moulds, etc.

[Peter]

For those of you who are saying he has not shown you anything, Roscoe has:

 

1. The third best kick return average in the NFL;

 

2. The third best punt return average in the NFL.

 

For those of you have never returned a kick, let me tell you that it is one of the toughest things to do in football. Not only do you have to be quick, you also have to be tough.

 

Let's stop trashing the guy. His career is just getting started.

[Mikie2times]

For those of you who are saying he has not shown you anything, Roscoe has:

 

1.  The third best kick return average in the NFL;

 

2.  The third best punt return average in the NFL.

 

For those of you have never returned a kick, let me tell you that it is one of the toughest things to do in football.  Not only do you have to be quick, you also have to be tough.

 

Let's stop trashing the guy.  His career is just getting started.

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I've returned kicks but that certainly doesn't give me the knowledge of what it’s like at the NFL level. Nobody is saying he doesn't have a difficult job on kick and punt returns, but isn't it still fair for us to compare Roscoe to how our other return men have done? Roscoe has impressive numbers, but how many solid return men have we shown in the last two years?

 

MaGee, Clements, and Fast Freddy have all shown a strong ability to return kicks. Clements could leave that picture, and you would still have two more then capable return men. I'm trying to go by what I witnessed Roscoe do on the field, and how he escapes from defenders. That element of his game has left me unimpressed and it looks a lot like a player we already have in Fast Freddy.

 

Time will tell I guess

[obie_wan]

I've returned kicks but that certainly doesn't give me the knowledge of what it’s like at the NFL level. Nobody is saying he doesn't have a difficult job on kick and punt returns, but isn't it still fair for us to compare Roscoe to how our other return men have done? Roscoe has impressive numbers, but how many solid return men have we shown in the last two years?

 

MaGee, Clements, and Fast Freddy have all shown a strong ability to return kicks. Clements could leave that picture, and you would still have two more then capable return men. I'm trying to go by what I witnessed Roscoe do on the field, and how he escapes from defenders. That element of his game has left me unimpressed and it looks a lot like a player we already have in Fast Freddy.

 

Time will tell I guess

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yeah - but those other guys never get throw passes in real games

 

Parrish is a Kordell Stewart slash fantasy of Mularkey.

[PhilsBills]

One more thing I didn’t like hearing was a casual joke by the announcers about Roscoe’s experience in cold weather. It may sound funny but does he have any idea just how bad it can get in Buffalo? I lived in Michigan my whole life and the cold still bites me in the ass, and Buffalo gets it even worse.

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That was a little troubling when the announcers said Roscoe was scared of the cold weather and wouldn't leave his house when there was 2' of snow on the ground.....

[Guest BackInDaDay]

One more thing I didn’t like hearing was a casual joke by the announcers about Roscoe’s experience in cold weather. It may sound funny but does he have any idea just how bad it can get in Buffalo? I lived in Michigan my whole life and the cold still bites me in the ass, and Buffalo gets it even worse.

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That was a little troubling when the announcers said Roscoe was scared of the cold weather and wouldn't leave his house when there was 2' of snow on the ground.....

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Snowphobia.

There's a telethon in the summer.