Mikie2times Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 How many sacks a team allows in a given year has a lot to do with how many passes a team attempts. So if you’re going to evaluate an offensive line, a much better indication of their ability is average number of pass attempts per sack, as opposed to overall sacks allowed. What I did was find the average number of pass attempts per sack for every team and year from 2002-2005. Below is the best 15 seasons, and worst 15 seasons teams have registered during that time frame. I also combined each teams stats to find it's overal pass attempts per sack average since 2002. Keep in mind the NFL average for this statistic from 2002-2005 is a sack every 14.37 attempts. Top 15 Year......Team...............Pass Attempts per Sack 2003......Detroit...........................53.45 2004......Green Bay......................42.71 2005......Indianapolis....................37.89 2004......Indianapolis....................37.64 2004......Denver...........................34.73 2003......Indianapolis.....................29.95 2005......Green Bay.......................28.86 2002......Detroit............................28.85 2002......San Francisco..................25.95 2003......Tampa Bay......................25.74 2002......Indianapolis.....................25.70 2003.......Kansas City.....................25.52 2003......Green Bay.......................24.89 2005.......Cincinnati.......................24.07 2002.......Tennessee.......................23.81 Bottom 15 Year......Team...............Pass attempts per sack 2005......Houston.............................5.76 2002......Houston.............................5.88 2004......Chicago.............................7.14 2005......Minnesota..........................7.57 2004......Atlanta..............................7.90 2002......Dallas................................8.72 2005......San Francisco.....................8.84 2005......NY Jets...............................9.11 2004.......NY Giants...........................9.13 2005.......Buffalo...............................9.44 * 2004.......Houston.............................9.61 2003.......Buffalo...............................9.84 * 2004.......Pittsburgh...........................9.94 2003.......Baltimore..........................10.12 2005.......St. Louis............................10.51 2002-2005 (From worst to first) TEAM........Pass Attempts per sack (2002-2005) Houston …………7.8 Chicago …………10.5 Buffalo ………….10.7 * Minnesota………10.8 Atlanta ………….11.2 Baltimore………11.8 Dallas ………….12.1 St. Louis…………12.5 Pittsburgh………12.6 Cleveland………13.2 Washington……13.4 NY Jets ………….13.5 Arizona ………….13.5 New Orleans…..13.6 Carolina………….14.2 NY Giants…………14.4 San Francisco….14.4 Jacksonville………14.6 Tampa Bay………14.7 Philadelphia………14.8 Miami………….......14.9 Oakland …………..15.4 Seattle ………….. 15.5 Cincinnati………….16.7 Tennessee…………18.0 New England……..18.6 Kansas City……….18.6 Denver …………...18.7 San Diego…………..20.5 Detroit …………......21.5 Green Bay…………..27.8 Indianapolis…………31.2
smokinandjokin Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 Not positive, but isn't it "pass attempts per sack"? 9 sacks per pass attempt seems tough.
RuntheDamnBall Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 Not positive, but isn't it "pass attempts per sack"? 9 sacks per pass attempt seems tough. 516736[/snapback] LOL. I was thinking the same thing. Try being the passer that gets sacked 50 times every time he drops back. Sucks to be that guy.
Dan Gross Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 Not positive, but isn't it "pass attempts per sack"? 9 sacks per pass attempt seems tough. 516736[/snapback] Well, if Bruschi can register 12 "hits" on every play, why is that such a stretch...?
smokinandjokin Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 Anyways, that's some good info. Sacks are the absolute best when your team is on defense. I love 'em, and likewise, hate them all the same when the Bills get sacked.
Mikie2times Posted November 30, 2005 Author Posted November 30, 2005 Duh..... It is pass attempts per sack; I guess I just had a blonde moment. I'll edit the first post.
finknottle Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 The thing that really jumped out at me was how good the Detroit line comes out. It really makes you wonder what's going on over there that their passing game can be in such disarray - is Harrington just firing randomly after a one-step drop or something?
Mikie2times Posted November 30, 2005 Author Posted November 30, 2005 The thing that really jumped out at me was how good the Detroit line comes out. It really makes you wonder what's going on over there that their passing game can be in such disarray - is Harrington just firing randomly after a one-step drop or something? 516837[/snapback] Over Harrington’s career he averages a sack every 23.09 drop backs. Compared to the league average of 14.37 that number is outstanding. Perhaps a good deal of that can be attributed to Morningwhig and Mooch running the west coast, but a number that high doesn't occur unless the line is pass blocking well, and the QB is getting rid of it early. Harrington and the Lions line might be doing a great job at avoiding sacks, but that doesn't mean they throw efficiently, run block, play defense, etc.. What's going on in Detroit involves Harrington, much like our problems last season involved Bledsoe, but just because a player is involved in the problems doesn't neccesarily mean their the only ones causing them.
BB2004 Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 How many sacks a team allows in a given year has a lot to do with how many passes a team attempts. So if you’re going to evaluate an offensive line, a much better indication of their ability is average number of pass attempts per sack, as opposed to overall sacks allowed. What I did was find the average number of pass attempts per sack for every team and year from 2002-2005. Below is the best 15 seasons, and worst 15 seasons teams have registered during that time frame. I also combined each teams stats to find it's overal pass attempts per sack average since 2002. Keep in mind the NFL average for this statistic from 2002-2005 is a sack every 14.37 attempts. Top 15 Year......Team...............Pass Attempts per Sack 2003......Detroit...........................53.45 2004......Green Bay......................42.71 2005......Indianapolis....................37.89 2004......Indianapolis....................37.64 2004......Denver...........................34.73 2003......Indianapolis.....................29.95 2005......Green Bay.......................28.86 2002......Detroit............................28.85 2002......San Francisco..................25.95 2003......Tampa Bay......................25.74 2002......Indianapolis.....................25.70 2003.......Kansas City.....................25.52 2003......Green Bay.......................24.89 2005.......Cincinnati.......................24.07 2002.......Tennessee.......................23.81 Bottom 15 Year......Team...............Pass attempts per sack 2005......Houston.............................5.76 2002......Houston.............................5.88 2004......Chicago.............................7.14 2005......Minnesota..........................7.57 2004......Atlanta..............................7.90 2002......Dallas................................8.72 2005......San Francisco.....................8.84 2005......NY Jets...............................9.11 2004.......NY Giants...........................9.13 2005.......Buffalo...............................9.44 * 2004.......Houston.............................9.61 2003.......Buffalo...............................9.84 * 2004.......Pittsburgh...........................9.94 2003.......Baltimore..........................10.12 2005.......St. Louis............................10.51 2002-2005 (From worst to first) TEAM........Pass Attempts per sack (2002-2005) Houston …………7.8 Chicago …………10.5 Buffalo ………….10.7 * Minnesota………10.8 Atlanta ………….11.2 Baltimore………11.8 Dallas ………….12.1 St. Louis…………12.5 Pittsburgh………12.6 Cleveland………13.2 Washington……13.4 NY Jets ………….13.5 Arizona ………….13.5 New Orleans…..13.6 Carolina………….14.2 NY Giants…………14.4 San Francisco….14.4 Jacksonville………14.6 Tampa Bay………14.7 Philadelphia………14.8 Miami………….......14.9 Oakland …………..15.4 Seattle ………….. 15.5 Cincinnati………….16.7 Tennessee…………18.0 New England……..18.6 Kansas City……….18.6 Denver …………...18.7 San Diego…………..20.5 Detroit …………......21.5 Green Bay…………..27.8 Indianapolis…………31.2 516726[/snapback] That's interesting. Now if we could break it down player by player, that would be something.
Tortured Soul Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 I looked at Bledsoe's attempts per sack from last year and this year. Last year, it was 1for every 13.2 attempts; now, it is one for every 15 atempts, basically straddling the leaue average. And yet...
Chilly Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 Tis a good post, just goes to show, our oline sux0rz
Mikie2times Posted December 1, 2005 Author Posted December 1, 2005 Tis a good post, just goes to show, our oline sux0rz 516981[/snapback] Vince Young is averaging a sack every 20.62 drop backs.
Orton's Arm Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 It's pretty sad that the 2005 Bills are on that list, especially because Holcomb in his four starts was known for going for the dump-off and getting rid of the ball quickly. Imagine how much worse the 2005 number would have been had Rob Johnson taken those four starts! I guess what I'm trying to do is point out the obvious: this offensive line can't even pronounce the words "pass protect."
Chilly Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 Vince Young is averaging a sack every 20.62 drop backs. 516984[/snapback] <3 VY
San-O Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 2005.......Buffalo...............................9.44 * 2004.......Houston.............................9.61 2003.......Buffalo...............................9.84 * 2004.......Pittsburgh...........................9.94 2003.......Baltimore..........................10.12 2005.......St. Louis............................10.51 516726[/snapback] Sure glad we got TD in here to draft a RT at # 4!
San-O Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 516726[/snapback] Teague and Williams are the only two guys on the O-line for that tenure.
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