Guest BackInDaDay Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 I don't want Mooch. My Hmmm was: if one old-money owner from Detroit can cut his losses that early, does that give the other old-money owner from Detroit any ideas? 514592[/snapback] Tennis anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 I have Kevin Jones on my FF team, and have been amazed by how little he has been used this year, when he tore things up in the second half of last season... 514582[/snapback] I'm in the same boat. KJ is sinking my team. It doesn't help that he gets injured in the first minute of games and never finishes them. Right now, I hold out hope for an early TD and 20 yards per game from KJ. It's sad--because the dude could be the best RB in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan III Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 My impression of Mat Millen at the press conference: *Points his finger over the heads of the reporters* "What is that???" *he turns and runs out while everyone looks up* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 My impression of Mat Millen at the press conference: *Points his finger over the heads of the reporters* "What is that???" *he turns and runs out while everyone looks up* 514611[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Isn't this situation similar to ours....TD and Matt Millen are two guys withbig names, but very little to show for from a General Manager perspective... Yet both team owners have no inclination to move on.....Eventually everything catches up to the final score....and in that case both TD and MIllen have losing records with nothing in site to erase those deficits... 514573[/snapback] With the one minor difference that TD was a proven general manager with a very good track record and very good reputation around the league as for two decades of being a top notch talent and personel evaluator, and Matt Millen had a very good reputation around the league as a player and mediocre analyst wth zero managerial experience or personel evaluator. Otherwise they were identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 With the one minor difference that TD was a proven general manager with a very good track record and very good reputation around the league as for two decades of being a top notch talent and personel evaluator, and Matt Millen had a very good reputation around the league as a player and mediocre analyst wth zero managerial experience or personel evaluator. Otherwise they were identical. 514624[/snapback] Was TD a GM at Pittsburgh or a VP of Personnel ?....Because I think personnel decisions were made by both TD and Cowher together with Cowher getting the upperhand...Also, I think most of his 20 years in Pitt were spent in the scouting department.... I thought this was his first job where he had complete authority over personnel decisions...So I don't understand where the "Good Track Record" came from.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Isn't this situation similar to ours....TD and Matt Millen are two guys withbig names, but very little to show for from a General Manager perspective... Yet both team owners have no inclination to move on.....Eventually everything catches up to the final score....and in that case both TD and MIllen have losing records with nothing in site to erase those deficits... 514573[/snapback] I'm not sure TD has "very little to show." He worked his way up from scout and was a very successful GM in Pittsburgh. Millen, on the other hand, never held a personnel or front office job in his life before landing the Lions' gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 I'm not sure TD has "very little to show." He worked his way up from scout and was a very successful GM in Pittsburgh. Millen, on the other hand, never held a personnel or front office job in his life before landing the Lions' gig. 514643[/snapback] My "very little to show" comment was with respect to their current GM tenures... Both Millen and TD have nothing to show for their 4 or 5 years as the GM of the team.....Both have made bizzare draft day decisions....Both have missed out on their 2 coaches (GW/MM here and the motorbike riding dude/Mariucci there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Was TD a GM at Pittsburgh or a VP of Personnel ?....Because I think personneldecisions were made by both TD and Cowher together with Cowher getting the upperhand...Also, I think most of his 20 years in Pitt were spent in the scouting department.... I thought this was his first job where he had complete authority over personnel decisions...So I don't understand where the "Good Track Record" came from.... 514631[/snapback] He was in charge of football operations. He had control over the players, FA and the draft. He hired Cowher in 1992. As the years went by Cowher got a little more power but TD called the shots on the players and the draft. When the team had back to back losing seasons, Cowher wanted more control and they had the power struggle and one of them had to go. Td was known around the league as arguably the best drafter of anyone in the entire decade of the 90s (I just read an article by the guy from Ourlads that said they did a study of the 90s and TD was the best in the league). Cowher had a couple years left on his contract and TD's was up. The Steelers had the choice of allowing a popular coach to leave and still have to pay him or allowing a GM with no contract left to leave, and they did the right thing and kept Cowher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodnarb Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 mariucci is a good coach hamstrung by his GM, matt millen. Millen's the guy who should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 A dumb Penn St. grad ? 514579[/snapback] Granted, he's no Andy Katzenmoyer, but come on, Mark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Granted, he's no Andy Katzenmoyer, but come on, Mark! 514804[/snapback] I was waiting for that shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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