lobottomee Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 The OL is the root cause of the Bill's problems. Consider this... Good OL makes a mediocre back look great. Mcgahee isn't mediocre Good OL gives rookie QB's time to look over the field Good OL allows sieve-like DL time to contemplate the bench heaters Good OL demoralizes opponents Good OL lets slow receivers get open. Evans and Roscoe aren't slow. Good OL keeps allows opposing offense time to contemplate the bench heaters Does it get any simpler than this? Basice football 101. Why doesn't TD get it? Stop thinking fancy TD!! The OL is the equivalent of tires on a car. No matter how good the engine and the driver, the race is lost unless the tires are good. Doh!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 The OL is the root cause of the Bill's problems. Consider this...Good OL makes a mediocre back look great. Mcgahee isn't mediocre Good OL gives rookie QB's time to look over the field Good OL allows sieve-like DL time to contemplate the bench heaters Good OL demoralizes opponents Good OL lets slow receivers get open. Evans and Roscoe aren't slow. Good OL keeps allows opposing offense time to contemplate the bench heaters Does it get any simpler than this? Basice football 101. Why doesn't TD get it? Stop thinking fancy TD!! The OL is the equivalent of tires on a car. No matter how good the engine and the driver, the race is lost unless the tires are good. Doh!!! 514010[/snapback] everyone knows its the oline... this won't be addressed now, maybe with all the running around and having to complete plays on the run will make losman get used to playing while running for his life and will be a lot better when he actually gets a decent OLine in front of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Devil's Advocate here: So, say instead of taking Roscoe and Everett, the Bills took an OG and OT this draft. Do you really think this year would've been much different? . Looking at who was available, I'd have to say no. What about Shelton, Verba, or DeMulling? Would they have really helped this year? Again, no. Re-sign Jonas? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 How much do you think cutting Tucker helped this team? He wasn't a great talent, but he came to play every Sunday, which is more than I can say for those two sacks of stojan we've had at LG this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Devil's Advocate here:So, say instead of taking Roscoe and Everett, the Bills took an OG and OT this draft. Do you really think this year would've been much different? . Looking at who was available, I'd have to say no. What about Shelton, Verba, or DeMulling? Would they have really helped this year? Again, no. Re-sign Jonas? No. 514027[/snapback] You're probably right, but you don't address an O-line's failings in one off-season. It is reasonable to assume, however, that a decent general manager can build a decent O-line -- particularly one coached for the last two years by Jim McNally -- over FIVE off-seasons. TD hasn't come close to doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 You're probably right, but you don't address an O-line's failings in one off-season. It is reasonable to assume, however, that a decent general manager can build a decent O-line -- particularly one coached for the last two years by Jim McNally -- over FIVE off-seasons. TD hasn't come close to doing that. 514032[/snapback] Not to beat a dead horse , but MW killed him in so many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 How much do you think cutting Tucker helped this team? He wasn't a great talent, but he came to play every Sunday, which is more than I can say for those two sacks of stojan we've had at LG this year. 514031[/snapback] Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 player wise it is the oline, but overall i'd say it is coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Actually, Bledsoe is the root cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Actually, Bledsoe is the root cause. 514062[/snapback] Yes, it may take purging everyone who ever played with him or coached him before we can truly move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 The OL is the root cause of the Bill's problems. Consider this...Good OL makes a mediocre back look great. Mcgahee isn't mediocre Good OL gives rookie QB's time to look over the field Good OL allows sieve-like DL time to contemplate the bench heaters Good OL demoralizes opponents Good OL lets slow receivers get open. Evans and Roscoe aren't slow. Good OL keeps allows opposing offense time to contemplate the bench heaters Does it get any simpler than this? Basice football 101. Why doesn't TD get it? Stop thinking fancy TD!! The OL is the equivalent of tires on a car. No matter how good the engine and the driver, the race is lost unless the tires are good. Doh!!! 514010[/snapback] AND--the D line...when is the last time the bills stopped anyone when it was important????-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 I agree. If we had a decent OL this would be a dramatically different team right now. We have good players at the skill positions but we suck at the OL positions which kills everything else. TD has really screwed the pooch when it concerns the OL. Can he fix it in one off season ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightRider Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Root cause is fine and good, but, did you do a Pareto Diagram and 5-why chart? The OL is the root cause of the Bill's problems. Consider this...Good OL makes a mediocre back look great. Mcgahee isn't mediocre Good OL gives rookie QB's time to look over the field Good OL allows sieve-like DL time to contemplate the bench heaters Good OL demoralizes opponents Good OL lets slow receivers get open. Evans and Roscoe aren't slow. Good OL keeps allows opposing offense time to contemplate the bench heaters Does it get any simpler than this? Basice football 101. Why doesn't TD get it? Stop thinking fancy TD!! The OL is the equivalent of tires on a car. No matter how good the engine and the driver, the race is lost unless the tires are good. Doh!!! 514010[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Devil's Advocate here:So, say instead of taking Roscoe and Everett, the Bills took an OG and OT this draft. Do you really think this year would've been much different? . Looking at who was available, I'd have to say no. What about Shelton, Verba, or DeMulling? Would they have really helped this year? Again, no. Re-sign Jonas? No. 514027[/snapback] no...but they did draft Duke Preston and anytime he has played he has looked "ok". Not great...but they plugged him in at RG when Vilarial was out...why not plug him in at LG and let him get some playing time and develop? This team is a mess purley because the OL is horrible and Jim McNally hasn't played a snap all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Devil's Advocate here:So, say instead of taking Roscoe and Everett, the Bills took an OG and OT this draft. Do you really think this year would've been much different? . Looking at who was available, I'd have to say no. What about Shelton, Verba, or DeMulling? Would they have really helped this year? Again, no. Re-sign Jonas? No. 514027[/snapback] There's a guy playing in Tampa right now who was selected in the 4th Round (107th overall) that has given up 1.0 sack in 11 starts and a guy I was calling for us to select by the name of Dan Buenning. Which is far better than our two headed attack of Anderson/Williams. Sure we might have questions about our OTs but at least we'd have a potential solution at LG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 I agree. If we had a decent OL this would be a dramatically different team right now. We have good players at the skill positions but we suck at the OL positions which kills everything else. TD has really screwed the pooch when it concerns the OL. Can he fix it in one off season ? 514138[/snapback] sure- Teflon Tom's secret weawpon - Ben Sobiesky may finally be healthy next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 sure- Teflon Tom's secret weawpon - Ben Sobiesky may finally be healthy next year. 514256[/snapback] Wow he can team with Victor Allotey to give us one hell of a right side of the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 How much do you think cutting Tucker helped this team? He wasn't a great talent, but he came to play every Sunday, which is more than I can say for those two sacks of stojan we've had at LG this year. 514031[/snapback] I don't think Tucker every recovered 100% from his injury...If he were so, he would be playing in this league.....The league has a vaccum on good or even decent OL....I am sure if Tucker was healthy, he will be at least a backup on some team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 everyone knows its the oline... this won't be addressed now, maybe with all the running around and having to complete plays on the run will make losman get used to playing while running for his life and will be a lot better when he actually gets a decent OLine in front of him 514016[/snapback] Yea right. Were you here last year and the constant bitching about the QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radio dude Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Simple observation folks...the game's won in the trenches. Look at the successful teams and see how their o-line and d-lines stack up...the Bills better have have their eyes on D'Brickshaw Ferguson (OT from Va.) or the Winston tackle from "The U." Tom Ashowrth from the Pats may be had (another raid of the Pats for Donahoe?) Or, on defense, the sack machine Dumervil from Lousiville. Or, a DT that could be had who's unrestricted is Larry Triplett from the Colts. ANY of these guys would be an upgrade over the current lot on the roster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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