dave mcbride Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 don't think this isn't being noticed by wilson. butler took over a 1-15 team, and donohoe took over an 8-8 team. it's hard to avoid the subsequent results at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Absolutely asinine... Dave, take that flamebaiting BS elsewhere. Butler left this team in shambles and you know it. His last draft goes down as the worst in Bills history. Threw money at every mediocre player he could find and stuck us in the ass with fan dividing QB situation. Wade announces we have a punt catcher and tells the team that they don't have a chance to make the playoffs when they do... Go rewrite history with your insinuations elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Absolutely asinine... Dave, take that flamebaiting BS elsewhere. Butler left this team in shambles and you know it. His last draft goes down as the worst in Bills history. Threw money at every mediocre player he could find and stuck us in the ass with fan dividing QB situation. Wade announces we have a punt catcher and tells the team that they don't have a chance to make the playoffs when they do... Go rewrite history with your insinuations elsewhere. 508114[/snapback] Yep, John Butler's idea of rebuilding our Oline was......Joe Panos. Too bad TD can't have such clarity with his signings. I lived in Philly when we signed him....you should have heard the WIP (Philly) sports talk shows.....Butler had his sights set on warm weather and beaches far in advance, screwed over Ralph, and stuck us with an absolute crap draft. RIP, JB..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdelma Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 don't think this isn't being noticed by wilson. butler took over a 1-15 team, and donohoe took over an 8-8 team. it's hard to avoid the subsequent results at this point. 508102[/snapback] I agree with you. Butler did alot of good when he was there. One bad draft. Look at TD payroll and draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 don't think this isn't being noticed by wilson. butler took over a 1-15 team, and donohoe took over an 8-8 team. it's hard to avoid the subsequent results at this point. 508102[/snapback] at least TD is still alive though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 at least TD is still alive though. 508136[/snapback] omg..... lol..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Butler left the team in a salary cap mess, but he at least knew how to pick players and coaches who win. Look at us. How many games have the Bills won in 5 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 It doesn't explain why AJ Smith was let go. Anyone remember what happened with him? PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 It doesn't explain why AJ Smith was let go. Anyone remember what happened with him? PTR 508164[/snapback] He was a Butler guy and left to be with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 AJ wanted to go with Butler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 SDS is right...you need at least 7 years to get out of salary cap jail. Butler ate a bucket of wings and smoked 3 packs a day because he felt stress. Does Donahoe have any vices? I'm surprised the F'r doesn't dye his hair considering how cozy he has it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 21, 2005 Author Share Posted November 21, 2005 Absolutely asinine... Dave, take that flamebaiting BS elsewhere. Butler left this team in shambles and you know it. His last draft goes down as the worst in Bills history. Threw money at every mediocre player he could find and stuck us in the ass with fan dividing QB situation. Wade announces we have a punt catcher and tells the team that they don't have a chance to make the playoffs when they do... Go rewrite history with your insinuations elsewhere. 508114[/snapback] this is ridiculous. he had one bad draft - everyone does, including donohoe as you probably know (troy edwards, anyone?). but as with donohoe, attacking butler's drafting record over time is an utter fool's errand. as for leaving the team in a "shambles", well, you probably know that i feel differently about the bs spread by donohoe about the "mess", much of which was addressed after the 99 season. simply put, for reasons that didn't seem stupid at the time to many, donohoe and williams decided to dump a lot of guys he thought were either underperforming or didn't fit their system. that of course accelerated a lot of bonuses, making the cap issue difficult. they chose to do this, though; it wasn't forced upon them as so many would believe. they made choices at qb and defensive line (i.e., not pursuing ted washington even after he came crawling back to them looking for about 2 mill a year) that in the long run hamstrung the franchise. look, you can spin it any way you want, and you can continue to fixate on the 8-8 season in 2000 and the underwhelming draft from that year. i'll continue to remind people that from the time butler and smith became head honchos in the organization (1987 or 1988), good things happened to the team. from the time donohoe joined the team, aside from the decent player or three plus a decent choice in mularkey, not much has happened in 5 years. they're headed for a 7-9/6-10 season, and frankly, that ain't good enough. 6-10 puts him 32-48 over 5 years (and 29-35 excluding the 3-13 season). 32-48 is a 40% winning percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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